Questions on Islam and Society

Published by lollywood on 25 April, 2011 - 19:07

I really really want to become an atheist because I think religion bounds a person to follow certain things and if you are an atheist you don’t have to follow anything your free to do what you like

I don’t want to get married to anyone because it’s a life contract and you have to make certain compromises to please your Husband – Wife you even have to lie when your wife say honey does my bum look big in this and you have to say NO to keep her happy and if you say YES it does then she gets grumpy and says do you not love me like you use to not only that but when you have kids you have to worry about there lives IE there up bringing Education and so on, When it comes to upbringing it is very difficult to give them a good example of life when they have role models like Jordon / Katie Price I have lost count of the amount of times she has married and divorced don’t ask about how many boy friends she’s had in between that time (excluding weekends)

If you people on here had a son or daughter and he / she said daddy I want to be like Katie Price what would you say?

There are some questions in life that come to mind more then others about religion

Does Allah – God actually exist?

How Did Allah - God come in to entrance?

Who crated Allah - God?

What was Allah - God crated for?

How did Allah – Got create the World

Why does he need us to pray, fast for him he is the almighty?

Why do we have to give Zakat, Sadqa, does that mean he values money?

Why does he want us to perform Hajj / Umrah

Why do Muslims practice female circumcision? (Mostly in parts of Africa and Asia) why did Islam not banned this practice?

When a Muslim child is born male or female why is it must to give the Azaan in its Ear? The child does not understand anything about religion at such a young age

Why did Allah tell Muslim women to wear the Burqa / Niqab (it looks horrible) He did not tell men? Or at least men don’t seem to cover up

Why is it that Muslim men can marry up to eight wives or keep eight wives and women can’t marry eight men (That’s not fair)

Why don’t Muslim fathers want there daughters to educate, Is it because that they will fight for there rights?
(Most Muslim gals I know get married very early 9 is the earliest average is around 16 to 24) Arab, Afghanistani, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, – Mirpuri and all others

Why don’t Muslims live in harmony with each other IE Sunni, Shia, Wahabi etc there is up-roar in almost every Muslim country in the world

There will be more questions to follow

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Submitted by lollywood on 30 April, 2011 - 00:12

You wrote:
stopincest wrote:
I read one of the Ayah's it said God created the earth and heaven in six days, why did it take him six days why not 1 second he is the almighty

Because He (swt) didn't have to answer to you. He didn't "take 6 days" in the sense of toil and labour - He said "Be" and it was, but what he created was put into 6 periods (not days - a day is the time it takes the earth to rotate on its axis and before its creation, there would be no day.)

God creates things how He (swt) wishes using processed which He wishes.

The processes and the times are all under His control.

God does not need to worship Him. He just wants it. You are free to not worship Him and reject Him in this life. (ofcourse there be consequences in this life and later on too)

The problem with your approach is that while you try to be smart about one way things could have happened, you are unwilling to think of plausible alternatives - its almost as if you are too lazy to give it real thought. That is not good for you as then you are not doing what you say you want to do, which is to think and to ponder.

There is an old book by Imam Ghazali called incoherence of the philosophers - it discusses 10 questions athiests used to present in his time and it includes his refutations. Those questions posted then with some massaging can be modernised and have modern equivalent answers. I will admit that I was not clever enough to persevere with the book, but if you really have questions on this and are not willing to give our answers and replies any serious thought, read that.

If all above then why should people worship him

Lets say this in an earth quake every thing gets knocked down even a mosque it does not save the mosque from Destruction Why?

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 30 April, 2011 - 00:24

stopincest wrote:
You wrote:
stopincest wrote:
I read one of the Ayah's it said God created the earth and heaven in six days, why did it take him six days why not 1 second he is the almighty

Because He (swt) didn't have to answer to you. He didn't "take 6 days" in the sense of toil and labour - He said "Be" and it was, but what he created was put into 6 periods (not days - a day is the time it takes the earth to rotate on its axis and before its creation, there would be no day.)

God creates things how He (swt) wishes using processed which He wishes.

The processes and the times are all under His control.

God does not need to worship Him. He just wants it. You are free to not worship Him and reject Him in this life. (ofcourse there be consequences in this life and later on too)

The problem with your approach is that while you try to be smart about one way things could have happened, you are unwilling to think of plausible alternatives - its almost as if you are too lazy to give it real thought. That is not good for you as then you are not doing what you say you want to do, which is to think and to ponder.

There is an old book by Imam Ghazali called incoherence of the philosophers - it discusses 10 questions athiests used to present in his time and it includes his refutations. Those questions posted then with some massaging can be modernised and have modern equivalent answers. I will admit that I was not clever enough to persevere with the book, but if you really have questions on this and are not willing to give our answers and replies any serious thought, read that.

If all above then why should people worship him

Lets say this in an earth quake every thing gets knocked down even a mosque it does not save the mosque from Destruction Why?

its a test. to the muslims. to see the strength of their faith.

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Submitted by You on 30 April, 2011 - 00:54

stopincest wrote:
If all above then why should people worship him

Because that is what our Creator wants, but gives us a choice not to.

stopincest wrote:
Lets say this in an earth quake every thing gets knocked down even a mosque it does not save the mosque from Destruction Why?

Why should He prevent its destruction?

in the grand scheme of things, life is more precious and if even that can be destroyed...

God created the universe in the way He did and that involves all its good things AND all its bad things. A basic part of faith is tht all good AND bad is from God.

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Submitted by lollywood on 30 April, 2011 - 01:26

You wrote:

Why should He prevent its destruction?

Because they say in Urdu Masjid Allah Ka Ghar Hota Hai

You wrote:

in the grand scheme of things, life is more precious and if even that can be destroyed...

God created the universe in the way He did and that involves all its good things AND all its bad things. A basic part of faith is that all good AND bad is from God.


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Why would you knock down some thing you created unless you are going to make it better

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 30 April, 2011 - 06:32

stopincest wrote:
You wrote:

Why should He prevent its destruction?

Because they say in Urdu Masjid Allah Ka Ghar Hota Hai

whats that?

SI wrote:

Why would you knock down some thing you created unless you are going to make it better

God didnt create the mosque. humans did.

so is an answer coming to my questions about formation of babies?

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Submitted by lollywood on 30 April, 2011 - 17:04

Lilly wrote:

whats that?

It means that a Mosque is the house of God – Allah

Lilly wrote:

God didnt create the mosque. humans did.

But it was created to worship him

Lilly wrote:

so is an answer coming to my questions about formation of babies?

Parents have to have intercourse for the child to be born then it starts growing and so on

A baby does not create its self

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 1 May, 2011 - 14:28

SI wrote:

But it was created to worship him

and your point is?

SI wrote:

Parents have to have intercourse for the child to be born then it starts growing and so on

A baby does not create its self

exactly. God creates the baby. and you still havent answered my questions about who makes cell division; cell specialization happen. and who created sperms/eggs the way they are so that when people have intercourse a baby is made. Can you answer those Q's?

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Submitted by lollywood on 1 May, 2011 - 21:08

Lilly wrote:

and your point is?

My point is that the Mosque was made to worship him why would he knock something down that was made for his worship?

Lilly wrote:

exactly. God creates the baby. and you still havent answered my questions about who makes cell division; cell specialization happen. and who created sperms/eggs the way they are so that when people have intercourse a baby is made. Can you answer those Q's?

The parents create the child not God

cell division; cell specialization, sperms/eggs are all to do with Science and soon Science will give you the answer of who created these things and how they came about

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Submitted by You on 1 May, 2011 - 21:37

stopincest wrote:
...soon Science will give you the answer...

So you have faith in the unseen and unproven?

Since that answer will come "soon", it is not here now, you have no clue as to what form it will take and yet you still have faith in it and more, you suggest that it will negate the existence of God?

Very bold of you.

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Submitted by TPOS on 1 May, 2011 - 21:38

You wrote:

Very bold of you.


I wouldn't use the word bold Blum 3
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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 00:15

You wrote:

Since that answer will come "soon", it is not here now, you have no clue as to what form it will take and yet you still have faith

That’s because I’m sure that science will come up with an answer in regards to human life
and how it came about, I don’t think we will be seeing God sooner or later that's why I don't have faith

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 10:15

yep, but the thing is SI.

science = words of God.

the words of God here is the Quran

so that makes a new equation

science = The Quran.

you need to read it to get it.

"dangerous knowledge" a programme about how mathematicians' researchld to them being crazy, was of themwas trying to prove that some things just cannot be proven. i havent watched it, but reading the description just told me "haha!! humans, little creatures that canny do much!!"

have you heard of the fingerprint theory? and the watch theory? iasked you that ages ago and you never replied.

as for the masjid thing, ive told you over and over again, canyou guess what im going to saythis time?

have youread the chapter yet?

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Submitted by You on 2 May, 2011 - 13:52

stopincest wrote:
You wrote:

Since that answer will come "soon", it is not here now, you have no clue as to what form it will take and yet you still have faith

That’s because I’m sure that science will come up with an answer in regards to human life
and how it came about, I don’t think we will be seeing God sooner or later that's why I don't have faith

You're not just believing in the unseen there, but also the unknown.

You don't know what science will prove or not prove in the future.

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 16:16

answer these questions SI:

who created science?
who created humans?
where do we come from?
why are we here?

inIslam,we have the answers, do you?

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 17:01

Lilly wrote:
yep, but the thing is SI.

science = words of God.

I don't think so

Lilly wrote:

the words of God here is the Quran

Is it?

Lilly wrote:

so that makes a new equation

science = The Quran.
you need to read it to get it.

Science has progressed a lot like in DNA science which is crucial in catching criminals
medicine curing life threatening diseases it has made heat transplants, liver transplants possible it is now also mixing human DNA with animal DNA in you peoples eyes that would be like playing God and just a few weeks ago I heard that genetically modified cows would be able to produce human milk

Lilly wrote:

"dangerous knowledge" a programme about how mathematicians' researchld to them being crazy, was of them trying to prove that some things just cannot be proven. i havent watched it, but reading the description just told me "haha!! humans, little creatures that can't do much!!"

They can't do much? They have gone to the moon what more do you want?, and IF there is a God 8 clouds above like we the Muslms think then science will prove it one day

Lilly wrote:

have you heard of the fingerprint theory? and the watch theory? iasked you that ages ago and you never replied.

No I have not heard of them

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 17:08

Science has progressed a lot like in DNA science which is crucial in catching criminals
medicine curing life threatening diseases it has made heat transplants, liver transplants possible it is now also mixing human DNA with animal DNA in you peoples eyes that would be like playing God and just a few weeks ago I heard that genetically modified cows would be able to produce human milk

and your point is...

They can't do much? They have gone to the moon what more do you want?, and IF there is a God 8 clouds above like we the Muslms think then science will prove it one day

human cancreate atmosphere? essential for living? humans can create an atom of oxygen? and two atom of hydrogen? from scratch? and then make water? essential for living too?

is water essential for living?

and god aint "8 clouds above" dont chat crap when you dont know. that really angers me. Allah is establish on his throne above the heavens.

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 17:23

Lilly wrote:

and your point is...


Humans have done a lot without religion

Lilly wrote:

human cancreate atmosphere? essential for living? humans can create an atom of oxygen? and two atom of hydrogen? from scratch? and then make water? essential for living too?

is water essential for living?

How does God do all that then?

Lilly wrote:

and god aint "8 clouds above" dont chat crap when you dont know. that really angers me. Allah is establish on his throne above the heavens.

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In Urdu they say Allah Aathvaen Asman pe hai = God is 8 clouds above
Why do they say that if its not true?
where are the heavens?

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Submitted by You on 2 May, 2011 - 17:29

Metaphor.

God can be whereever He (swt) wants to be but is not limited by time and space as both of them are creations.

in English people talk about Santa Clause climbing down chimneys on the night before christmas. Do you think they really believe that happens?

If you don't want to believe in God then don't. But that does take yourself outside the fold of Islam.

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 17:38

stopincest wrote:
Lilly wrote:

and your point is...


Humans have done a lot without religion

whats telling you those people werent religious? or even muslims? check out the Ottoman empire, in Spain check out you're going to learn a lot.

your point is dead.

and urdu isnt "the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth" why are you treating word of mouth like that and you wont take the Quran as the word of God?

and yes, to your question, muslims believe that the Quran is the word of Allah. because of the many things that have been proven true and were said in the Quran.

its rude to answer a question by another one. especially if you've already being TOLD THE ANSWER. us muslims believe God just has to say "be" and it is. and that goes FOR EVERYTHING. how does your little brain explain things? like cell division and cell specialization; still havent answered that. and my water question. and have you read the chapter?

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 18:01

You wrote:

Metaphor.

Why do they use such Metaphor

You wrote:

God can be whereever He (swt) wants to be but is not limited by time and space as both of them are creations.

How can God be in several places all at once?

You wrote:

in English people talk about Santa Clause climbing down chimneys on the night before christmas. Do you think they really believe that happens?

I'm sure little kids believe it

Does Santa Clause beard get stuck in the chimneys Biggrin

You wrote:

If you don't want to believe in God then don't. But that does take yourself outside the fold of Islam.

We whose parents are from South Asia were not Muslims to start with we were Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh

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Submitted by You on 2 May, 2011 - 18:35

and they saw the light?

Even many arabs before Islam were poloythiests.

That is not an argument against anything. and then they saw the light and went forth.

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 18:49

after 5 pages of posting, an important question is to be asked.

are you willing to come back to Islam? Are you willing to accept Islam as the true religion? are you genuinely looking for answers to clarify your understanding to come back to Islam?

or are you just taking the mick?
not really interested in becoming a better muslim, improving your faith.

if you're just being stubborn and questionning to make us doubt our faith and prove us wrong. there is no debate to be taking place. and may Allah judge you accordingly for making us waste our time.

I do pray to the Lord who created you and gave you a soul to guide you back to His path. but He guided whoever He wants and leads astray whoever He wants out of His wisdom.

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 19:20

Lilly wrote:
after 5 pages of posting, an important question is to be asked.

are you willing to come back to Islam? Are you willing to accept Islam as the true religion? are you genuinely looking for answers to clarify your understanding to come back to Islam?.

I am in Islam but I find it hard to believe in God - Allah

Lilly wrote:

or are you just taking the mick?
not really interested in becoming a better muslim, improving your faith.

What would I get out of taking the mick?

Lilly wrote:

if you're just being stubborn and questionning to make us doubt our faith and prove us wrong. there is no debate to be taking place. and may Allah judge you accordingly for making us waste our time.

We should question our faith why not?

Lilly wrote:

I do pray to the Lord who created you and gave you a soul to guide you back to His path. but He guided whoever He wants and leads astray whoever He wants out of His wisdom.

Why does he lead some astray?

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Submitted by TPOS on 2 May, 2011 - 19:22

How can you follow Islam if you don't believe in Allah? :S It is the most crucial part of the declaration of faith - There is No God but Allah swt (& Muhammad(saw) is his messenger)

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 19:33

the questions and the way you have asked them sound like you dont believe in Allah. Be careful not to take yourself out of Islam.

Why does he lead some astray?

He, ultimately, knows why,we can only guess some of the reasons. one of them might be too much sin.
the essence of this saying is that when people leave Islam, it's not because they have "freed" themselves as they like to believe. It's because Allah has misguided them.

remember, Allah does not need us to worship Him.

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 19:34

You wrote:
and they saw the light?

Even many arabs before Islam were poloythiests.

That is not an argument against anything. and then they saw the light and went forth.

I don't think it was any thing to do with light but fear

Here are some proofs below

However, while going into the depth of History it tells itself during the invasion in Greater India in the middle age ( in around 1300 AD ) by many muslim Mughals who forcefully asked the people to change their religion along with beliefs, norms and values . The people who denied to adopt the Muslim religion were either killed or punished or had to pay extra fine every year. So the people who could not afford or could not sustain to bear the consequences adopted the Muslim religion , while some others ran away from there to other parts like in Nepal. So still we can see that many other tribes such as Khatri, Brahmans, Rajputs, Jatts, Gujjars Shah and others splited into two religions. Most of the examples are found in Bangladesh. where most of the Bangalis were Hindus before the middle age whereas after the invasion of Muslim in Indian sub-continent made as Muslim. These all evidences are found while going through the history

During Tipu Sultan's invasion of Malabar in the late 18th century, he forcefully converted over 400,000 Hindus to Islam

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 2 May, 2011 - 19:45

in islam;we are not accountable for other people's actions.

if you're born in a muslim family, you're muslim and dont have to take the shahada. but thatdoes not mean you CANT get out of Islam.

if you dont want tobe muslim;, being born in a muslim family doesnt not affect you in anyway. you're your own girl. especially if you've reached puberty.

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Submitted by TPOS on 2 May, 2011 - 19:48

The verse Lilly was talking about where Allah says he guides who he wants is more about freewill - i.e ALLOWING you to choose the wrong path if you wish. It would make no sense to misguide certain people then to question and punish them for it.

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 19:56

Lilly wrote:

in islam;we are not accountable for other people's actions.

But they were Muslims that means its the fault of the religion not the people

Lilly wrote:

if you're born in a muslim family, you're muslim and dont have to take the shahada. but thatdoes not mean you CANT get out of Islam.

Please try and understand that if you were born in a family who had Hindu, Sikh blood along with the caste name how can you be a true Muslims?

Lilly wrote:

if you dont want to be muslim;, being born in a muslim family doesnt not affect you in anyway. you're your own girl. especially if you've reached puberty.

I'm male

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Submitted by lollywood on 2 May, 2011 - 19:59

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
The verse Lilly was talking about where Allah says he guides who he wants is more about freewill - i.e ALLOWING you to choose the wrong path if you wish. It would make no sense to misguide certain people then to question and punish them for it.

Not many are allowed to take the so called wrong path they get killed before hand

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