stopincest wrote:

Muslims are divided in every thing like what day should we celebrate Eid there have been 3 or 4 Eids every year that's what I call unity LOL

yo uwouldnt understand. its about interpreting reference materials differently, but all right in their own right. leading to celebrating differently. NOT division. IT's just DIFFERENCE OF OPINION (Which shows that ISlam isnt all about "do this do that do this do that if you dont you go to hell" Its about interpretation of rightly-guided, clean intended scholars"

no one except you sees that as a problem.

now, answer my Q's?

stopincest wrote:

Foysol89 wrote:

Let me just give you an example of an Atheist before you 'choose' to become one. Imagine you are sleeping in your bed one night and while you sleep your friends come and pick you up with your matress and dump you in the middle of a train station. The next day you wake up and just see everyone else going on trains so you just go on a train

So what you're saying is that I would just blindly follow others?
NO because I may not want to get on the train besides dont' we already blindly follow the Quran and think that there is a God - Allah

Foysol89 wrote:

This is just like someone who comes into the world and doesn't question where he came from, what he is doing here and where is he going to go. It doesn't make any sense

We know that we came into this world because our parents pro created I don't know were we are going to go

That's right you had to come from somewhere cause you're human so where did the first of mankind come from then?

i will answer the rest of your questions later after we have gone through the existence of Allah

stopincest wrote:

Foysol89 wrote:

That's right you had to come from somewhere cause you're human so where did the first of mankind come from then?

Africa

So Africa creted man ???

Muslims believe that Allah does not resemble any of His creation. And we do not question too much incase we hurt ourselves and confuse ourselves.

He is the Lord. the one who enables me to see, smell, touch, breath, 24/7.

do you really believe you're heart works on its own? that little electric charge that makes your atrium contract and take the blood into the ventricules and round your body? you think it came out of nowhere?

havent you studied the stopwatch theory in RE? and the fingerprint theory?

Lilly wrote:

havent you studied the stopwatch theory in RE? and the fingerprint theory?

are you going to read a translation of the Quran?

stopincest wrote:

You wrote:

stopincest wrote:

All Religions are about "blindly following"

Not Islam.

How?

By what it says in the qur'an - it tells you to ponder over the world around you. Read it and a translation and see that it says that.

How was the universe created? Where does come from? that and many more.

I would love to hear what your answers to these questions are.

Saying "man made" is not really an answer... how did men make trees or animals, or men? How did they create life or planets or the whole universe? Where did the universe come from? There are the questions that you need to ponder over. Everything else is secondary.

Surah Ar Rahman would be an interesting surah for you to read and ponder over.

stopincest wrote:

Foysol89 wrote:

That's right you had to come from somewhere cause you're human so where did the first of mankind come from then?

Africa

and before then?

for every answer that comes to your mind ask "what was before then?" and see what that leads to.

BIg Bang????

If i told you i got some bricks, some cement and other materials and just chucked them over my shoulder. i look around and there is a 4 bedroom house just standing there, would you say that plausable?

You wrote:

how did men make trees or animals, or men? How did they create life or planets or the whole universe? Where did the universe come from? There are the questions that you need to ponder over. Everything else is secondary

Stopincest wrote:

How did God make these things?

As far as we have been told by Allah, he said 'BE' and it 'IS'. Allah is neither limited by time nor sapce or anything. This may be hard for you to comprehend but Allah is not bound by the laws, HE created the laws for us.

We need to stick to the matter of the existence of Allah before we move on to the other subjects.

stopincest wrote:

I really really want to become an artiest because I think religion bounds a person to follow certain things and if you are an artiest you don’t have to follow anything your free to do what you like

Oh don't worry, You can be both a Muslim and an artist at the same time

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:

stopincest wrote:

I really really want to become an artiest because I think religion bounds a person to follow certain things and if you are an artiest you don’t have to follow anything your free to do what you like

Oh don't worry, You can be both a Muslim and an artist at the same time

(Y) as long as you dont draw humans/animals. Good point Rawr!

Lilly wrote:

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:

stopincest wrote:

I really really want to become an artiest because I think religion bounds a person to follow certain things and if you are an artiest you don’t have to follow anything your free to do what you like

Oh don't worry, You can be both a Muslim and an artist at the same time

(Y) as long as you dont draw humans/animals. Good point Rawr!

LOL, Funni

Read with a pure heart and see what you make of these verses of our Holy Book, the Quran.

the last part of the ayah
[qs:42:11]

[qs:16:74]

[qs:7:54]

[qs:6:103]

[qs: 112:4]

[qs:7:143]

I advice you read "the chapter on seeing Allah" it is chapter 9 of a book called "The fundamentals of Tawheed (Islamic Monotheism) By Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips.

you can find it http://www.scribd.com/doc/6106188/The-Fundamentals-of-Tawheed-by-Dr-Abu-Ameenah-Bilal-Philips starting from page 156.

or here again page 156.

you can download the whole book here

I cannot advice reading the whole book as i havent. but i've read chapter 9 and i thought it'll help answer some of your questions.

stopincest wrote:

Lilly wrote:

you wouldnt understand. its about interpreting reference materials differently

Thats what leads to arguments and why do they interpret reference materials differently they are suppose to be one Ummah

Lilly wrote:

ISlam isnt all about "do this do that

What? its says if your child does not pray by 6 or 8 hit it and make it pray what do you all this?

Hope I have answered your Q's

Hello StopIncest (do I really have to call you that?)! OK I just want to say that we welcome all your questions and please don't get the impression that we're about to gang up on you. To be honest you've asked some really broad questions, would it be better if we had a separate blog/forum topic for each type? It seems we're dealing with the DEEP philisophical issues here.

Yes we are supposed to be one Ummah, but that doesn't mean we cannot have differences of opinion. I support Man City; Power of Silence supports Man U (:-/), but that doesn't mean that we aren't both Muslims. There are basics that every Muslim has to accept (there is onle One God that deserves to be worshipped). There are certain rules of interpretation that have to be followed, but Islam allows us to apply a certain elemant of common sense and judgment to the way we apply it to our day to day lives. That's why you have some legitimate differences of opinions (the Madhabs; don't worry about that for now). Other people, extremists/ MI5 agents do not represent real Islam.

Sorry, mate, nowhere in the Quran or Sunnah (way of the Prophet (pbuh)) does it that. Praying is a compulsory part of faith. But we should take things step by step, once we see the benefit of praying, which is the ease, comfort, guidance and solace that follows eventually we won't see it as a burden but as an honour: the King of Kings is inviting us to communicate with him at least 5 times a day! Grab that with both hands I would!

No, Islam does not say beat children (who are not called "it"). It's not acceptable in Islam to leave a mark on a child, even in very necessary situations. The Prophet (pbuh) would NEVER hit a child. Why? Because he understood the message of Islam and we should all try and follow his example. it says in the Quran: "There is no compulsion in religion/Deen." (Sura 2:256 (I think)). Meaning that we should not force anyone to be Muslim, because faith and compulsion are incompatible. Also Allah says in the Quran: "Had you [Muhammad] been harsh, rude and cruel towards them, then they would have certainly abandoned you." (Sura 3:159).

I think if we only show them the benefit you can get (worldly and spiritual) from praying then they'd eventually willingly come and pray. I know I did.

I think what Lilly meant was that we have certain guidelines, which are there for our own benefit and the greater good. But if all we think Islam is are a list of "thou shalts" and "thou shalt nots" then we've completey missed out on the spiritual benefits that Islam offers.

The thing is everyone has a code that they follow. I'm assuming that you're against killing, assaulting, stealing and rape, yes? That in itself is a code of rules. Everyone has a God; for some it's football, money, fashion, power or prestige or anything else. But everyone has a God, which basically means anything you dedicate yourself to or put faith in hoping for happiness.

Nice to meet you StopIncest (really? I have to call you that?) could you remind me of your age/age group?

call him SI. that sounds cool

AND WOOT WOOT LAMP IS IN THE HOUSE!!

Many aspects of Islam, is belief in the Unseen, you have to trust Allah with this one!
Allah was just always there, He is eternal
Also, human knowledge is limited, you shouldn't question too much in depth on this....

stopincest wrote:

how did men make trees or animals, or men? How did they create life or planets or the whole universe? Where did the universe come from? There are the questions that you need to ponder over. Everything else is secondary

How did God make these things?[/quote]

Wrong question. How were these created if there is no God?

That is IMO a better question.

stopincest wrote:

You wrote:

How was the universe created?

Big Bang

What was before then?

You say the universe came from the big bang ... where did the big bang happen? where did that come from?

Do you think time always existed?

Was there ever a time when time itself didn't exist?

I believe that time is a creation of God and it only affects creation.

There are questions that you need to answer for yourself... question both sides of if God exists and if God does not exist, compare and contrast the two and decide for yourself - no one else can do that for you.

stopincest wrote:

Foysol89 wrote:

BIg Bang????

If i told you i got some bricks, some cement and other materials and just chucked them over my shoulder. i look around and there is a 4 bedroom house just standing there, would you say that plausable?

Chucking them over will not make anything

The point here is how was Allah - God created

The house was man made man put the stuff together and built the house to proof its existence we can see it take pictures of it can we do that with Allah?

We wil move onto how Allah came into existance later on cause it will only make sense to someone who believes in Allah

now about seeing Allah. tell me this, there is most likely a computer or laptop in front of you right?

did you see somebody make all the items in front of you? most likey not, yet we know for sure that somebody had to have built that computer, laptop etc. we do not question that, it is common sense for someone who is wise enough to understand.

It's the same principle with everything we see around us, somebody had to have created this universe right, thses things dont create themselves. just like we don't need visual evidencee that someone built that computer, we don't need to see Allah to know that HE creted the universe.

from common sense we know that a human can't have created this world? cause we are not capable of such things, cause we are limited. everything in this whole universe is limited right? whether by it's colour, size, shape etc. it is limited

So the creator of everything must be unlimited, HE will not be limited by time as HE Himself created time. so that explains how HE was not created but always existed. Allah has only given mankind so much of the capability to understand His existence, so anything which He has not given us the capability to understand we will never be able to comprehend.

Ok wrote too much already.

did you read the ayah? read that chapter? its really short. read it before replying anymore.

mashaaAllah, Allah is making me come across things all the time.

check this out

stopincest wrote:

Why only one way? why does it not effect God him self?

how can something you create affects you?

MashAllah great video. im not too sure about that ayat that you read where Allah says HE creted the earth in six days. i though HE said BE and it was.

No matter we don't question why Allah does what HE does, only Allah alone knows the reason.

It's like asking the question as to why he created anything in the first place. All we know is that all of Allah' creation are there to serve Him yet HE is need of nothing.

some muslims like to try and figure out or give reason to why Allah does things but in truth we don't know cause Allah has not told us.