I read one of the Ayah's it said God created the earth and heaven in six days, why did it take him six days why not 1 second he is the almighty

how does that change anything? really, you knowing, how does that help? did you watch the video? did you read the chapter of the book?

your son/father example is lame. the dad didnt create the kid.

The mum and dad dont create the child. they simply provide an avenue for the creation, but the creation itself is all due to Allah(swt).

stopincest wrote:

Lilly wrote:

how does that change anything? really, you knowing, how does that help? did you watch the video? did you read the chapter of the book?

What harm is there in knowing

sometimes there is harm. sometimes we arent ready to know. sometimes we shouldnt know. sometimes we wouldnt understand. sometimes we dont deserve to know.

have you watched the video? have you read the chapter? arent you interested? ITS CALLED "CHAPTER ON SEEING ALLAH" isnt that what your argument is all about?

have you read the ayah about Musa peace be upon him asking to see Allah? what do you make of it?

SI wrote:

Lilly wrote:

your son/father example is lame. the dad didnt create the kid.

How is it a lame example?
The Mum and the Dad both create the child

God create the child. who invented eggs/sperm? who made it so that the egg and sperm only have edit: HALF (not harm) the chromosones and then they combine to make a new cell with a full set of chromosone? who make it that that cell then starts multiplying over and over again. and then who made it that from this bunch of cells, some of them specialiazed into all the different needed parts of the body?

you think humans can do that? all by themselves?

3 type of ignorant person

1. the ignorant who knows he is ignorant.
2. the ignorant who doesnt know he is ignorant.
3. the ignorant who thinks he knows. deadly or what?

stopincest wrote:

bilan wrote:

The mum and dad dont create the child. they simply provide an avenue for the creation, but the creation itself is all due to Allah(swt).

Sorry thats a big NO

why?

Child labour would be too much for a woman to bear in old age.

Lilly wrote:

SI wrote:

Lilly wrote:

your son/father example is lame. the dad didnt create the kid.

How is it a lame example?
The Mum and the Dad both create the child

God create the child. who invented eggs/sperm? who made it so that the egg and sperm only have harm the chromosones and then they combine to make a new cell with a full set of chromosone? who make it that that cell then starts multiplying over and over again. and then who made it that from this bunch of cells, some of them specialiazed into all the different needed parts of the body?

you think humans can do that? all by themselves?

have you looked at my earlier post or even tried to answers You's questions?

someone tell me, is the arrogance SI display the arrogance of youth?

im not replying until you read the stuff.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Child labour would be too much for a woman to bear in old age.

+ baby grow in Women's body. is fed through women. the women does a lot more than the man.

or maybe you think the first kid should be born in the mum and the second in the dad and so on?

laters, when you've read the chapter.

Lilly wrote:

someone tell me, is the arrogance SI display the arrogance of youth?

im not replying until you read the stuff.

perhaps, that's why i kinda gave up trying to explain

so, yh SI dude...I dont think you want to be an atheist, I rlly dont. The fact that you are asking these questions kinda shows that. Maybe you think that if someone on here is unable to answer your questions, or in a way that you feel is unsatisfactory it'll ease your conscience if you choose not to accept Islam????

Your questions HAVE been answered, very well actually and more than once, but all the answers in the world won't satisfy you if you are not ready to accept them! Also some of the questions youve asked, does knowing the answer to them, change the order of things/your life/you being able to practise as a muslim????

So take the advice. it wont bite (much) i promise!

stopincest wrote:

Why does Allah need things to serve him he can say BE and it would be

you choose to believe some and not the rest? not neat, not neat at all.

stopincest wrote:

Its hard to be a practising Musilm for Pakistani's in any country

Being a Pakistani doesn't affect how hard or easy your life is. And Islam is not hard, but we make it hard for ourselves.

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1. Pray 5 times a day for men and women

I am sitting infront of my laptop just eaten, my room is a moderate temperature, the light's on, got a pile of clothes I need to put in the wash tomorrow, gonna go shopping too, probably with my mum iA. << Alhamdulillah the amount of blessing in my life are countless and they could be taken from me instantaneously, similarly they could be given to me that quick too. But they can't come out of nowhere as we've already established. They come from Allah (swt) and since He's given us SO much, the least I can do is thank Him by praying. Right?

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2. To cover up (for women only)

Men have to cover up from navel to knee too. And everyone has to be modest.

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3. Not to make boy friends/girl friends

why do you need a girlfriend?

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6.Islam does not let you stay single for life (especially women) they say that if you get Married you have completed half of your deen does that mean if you get married twice you have completed whole of your deen?

Sayin marriage is 'half your deen' is a more of a phrase which shows the how great marriage is. Cleanliness is also half your deen - i.e being clean is very important in Islam too.

stopincest wrote:

The Lamp wrote:

I support Man City; Power of Silence supports Man U (:-/), but that doesn't mean that we aren't both Muslims.

There are basics that every Muslim has to accept (there is onle One God that deserves to be worshipped). There are certain rules of interpretation that have to be followed, but Islam allows us to apply a certain elemant of common sense and judgment to the way we apply it to our day to day lives. That's why you have some legitimate differences of opinions (the Madhabs; don't worry about that for now). Other people, extremists/ MI5 agents do not represent real Islam.

Football and religion are 2 different things

I think the Shia don't believe in hazrat Abu-Bakar
Shia's beat there selfs in Muharram but Sunni's dont
I have been told that if a Shia eats from a plate / cup then it becomes na-paak more over it is said that if a dog licks the plate and you read Bismilah a few times it becomes paak but not with the Shia

Lemme try and explain that further (or maybe just repeat whats already been said :/ :oops: ) -

I support Man Utd but Lampy supports Man city. Them two clubs have 2 different sets of supporters, they have different styles of playing, each teamplayer adds a personal touch to the game BUT they're still playing the same game, the aim is still the same, there is only one way to win and they both have to abide the same rules and get punished for breaking those rules it's just personal differences - cuz no one is the same, nor can you expect everyone to be the same.

And the supporters of those games will still get together despite their differences and watch a game of footy together or play together, or still talk to each other atleast. And despite Lampy using the smiley for me supporting Utd, I'm pretty sure he doesn't hate me and vice versa.

But then you get those people who take the competition to a whole new level and make things personal. They're bozo's.

Now lets compare that to religion.
Different madhabs etc - Same belief, some differences but some people think they're better than others - these are the equivalent of the football playing/supporting bozo's, these are the people who have religious arrogance - and that is like the worst kind of arrogance.

The ummah is supposed to be united but just cuz it's not doesn't mean it's Islam's fault! That is the fault of the people who can't accept that everyone is different and that there can be slightly different ways of doing something and it still being right.

I have never heard of something being impure/haram if it's from a plate of a Shia, that sounds completely wrong and a disgusting thing to say. But the whole Shia/sunni split is a different topic anyway, create a topic on it if you want.

stopincest wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Being a Pakistani doesn't affect how hard or easy your life is. And Islam is not hard, but we make it hard for ourselves.

BNP keep protesting against Pakistani’s in Pakistani majority areas that way you feel alienated

You have no reason to fear the BNP we can outnumber them and outclass those idiots.

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But what you have described is what the average person does or has Muslim or non-Musilm

Yes, so, what's your point? Mine was that everyone should be grateful of what they have and try to thank Allah swt whenever/however possible - praying 5times a day and getting the reward of 50prayers is nothing compared to what we have.

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How many Pakistani men do you know that do the above I would say none

I'm not sure what kind of men you're surrounded by but most people I know do do that.

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To play with

It's much more fun playing footy with a group of boys, than girls who are too worried of the ball hurting them.

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Whats great about marriage then? you get the wife shouting - Sheede ne abba keh karne oh pe aedar accho maari gal bujee jao then the husband says - keh gal ee phloon bee apna bootha band ne rakhi sakni har wele maara sir kahee chorni ae kade chup vi karya kar

Find a woman worth marrying. And if you dare start chatting about incest and cousin marriages I will not reply to that bit of your comment.

stopincest wrote:

I get that but I have heard that the Shia will never go into hevan because they helped the Yazidi to kill Hassan Hussain and that's why they beat them self's in Muharram I could be wrong on this as I am not 100% sure besides I was born into a Sunni family

I told you the sunni-shia split is a different topic so talk about it separately. Here's a topic which already has discussed that. And another one.

SI wrote:

What do you mean by

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

different styles of playing

All they do is kick a ball

It sounds like you've never played or watched football in your life! What's wrong with you, boy!

different styles as in their tactics, the kind of shots they make, the way they defend etc etc. There is a lot more to football than "kicking a ball". God, you sound like a girl!

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I have seen many fights between rival supporters on the news which often lead in bans from the grounds for an amount of time

What's your point? I said they could take things too far and so they are 'bozo's' (idiots...a very soft word to describe them)

SI wrote:

Its Mazhabs where did you get madhabs from?

Madhab is the arabic word, mazhab is the urdu word.

SI wrote:

It is Islams fault why did it create so many sects

PLEASE, I BEG YOU, go learn your basics before you say stuff like this. There is only one Islam and you seem to be ignoring what I said...YET AGAIN - It is the people who create the disunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Prophet (Saw) said

Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 171 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Amr
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong.
Transmitted by Tirmidhi.

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I have never heard of something being impure/haram if it's from a plate of a Shia, that sounds completely wrong and a disgusting thing to say. But the whole Shia/sunni split is a different topic anyway, create a topic on it if you want.

I have, ask your mum and dad about this and see what they say

We have Shia family friends, they come to our house and we give them food and drink and we do not discriminate them like that. It seems like your parents have been telling you something which has no basis in Islam (and you probably have mixed a lot of culture n religion a lot more which is why you're confused!)

stopincest wrote:

I read one of the Ayah's it said God created the earth and heaven in six days, why did it take him six days why not 1 second he is the almighty

Because He (swt) didn't have to answer to you. He didn't "take 6 days" in the sense of toil and labour - He said "Be" and it was, but what he created was put into 6 periods (not days - a day is the time it takes the earth to rotate on its axis and before its creation, there would be no day.)

God creates things how He (swt) wishes using processed which He wishes.

The processes and the times are all under His control.

God does not need to worship Him. He just wants it. You are free to not worship Him and reject Him in this life. (ofcourse there be consequences in this life and later on too)

The problem with your approach is that while you try to be smart about one way things could have happened, you are unwilling to think of plausible alternatives - its almost as if you are too lazy to give it real thought. That is not good for you as then you are not doing what you say you want to do, which is to think and to ponder.

There is an old book by Imam Ghazali called incoherence of the philosophers - it discusses 10 questions athiests used to present in his time and it includes his refutations. Those questions posted then with some massaging can be modernised and have modern equivalent answers. I will admit that I was not clever enough to persevere with the book, but if you really have questions on this and are not willing to give our answers and replies any serious thought, read that.

Its Mazhabs where did you get madhabs from?

is it now? you sure? are you REALLY sure? this is a perfect example of your arrogance. or maybe ignorance? but if you're really here to learn you dont question things like this. Sort yourself out "boy".

stopincest wrote:

There should have never been a split in Musilms

Glad we agree on something.

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

different styles as in their tactics, the kind of shots they make, the way they defend etc etc. There is a lot more to football than "kicking a ball". God, you sound like a girl!

But they have to kick the ball in the goal post to get the goal

Yes, like I said they have the same aim they just use slightly different, yet still correct ways of achieving that aim - This can be likened to how the different madhabs work slightly differently yet are still right.

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

What's your point? I said they could take things too far and so they are 'bozo's' idiots...a very soft word to describe them)

Things do end up going far a lot of the time

YES, I NEVER DENIED THAT.

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Madhab is the arabic word, mazhab is the urdu word.

The people of Pakistan and Mirpur or lets just say South Asia use the word Mazhab and not Madhab there is Daal (not the one you eat with your roti ) and Zaal, with the word Mazhab the Zaal should be used

Why are you repeating what I'm saying? And this website is not solely for people from the South Asian sub-continent, therefore we try to use the proper terms and/or english.

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

PLEASE, I BEG YOU, go learn your basics before you say stuff like this. There is only one Islam and you seem to be ignoring what I said...YET AGAIN - It is the people who create the disunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did they if they were one Ummah?

CUZ THEY'RE STUPID

SI wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

It seems like your parents have been telling you something which has no basis in Islam (and you probably have mixed a lot of culture n religion a lot more which is why you're confused!)

Thats because there ancestors were Sikh how could they know about Islam that much when you ask them or any Pakistani parent its like

1. Hamein Nahin Pata (Urdu)
2. Sanu Nae Pata Haiga(Punjabi)
3. Assan Ki Koni Pata (Mirpuri / Potwari)

That's a generalisation, people are getting more and more informed now.