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electronic book
basically, one you can read on your computer
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
right ok...
note to dust: can u possibly call this thread only lotR cos i kinda hate harry potter.. :twisted: lol
~Become who you were born to be~
Lol.....ur not the only one there
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
only one where?
~Become who you were born to be~
only like LOTR....and hate Hairry Puthar
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:
All this from a book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do tell more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHat other messages do u get??????????// Other favourite characters???
"Seek and you shall find."
if ur asking for my fave character in lotR ...well, i have to say its Gollum...man he is soo totally cool dude...u like him, hate him, feel sorry for him all at the same time...some hectic character...
~Become who you were born to be~
has to be the short dwarf dude
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Salaam *DUST*,
Thank you for the very thorough reply – its good to know that someone actually reads some of my posts
and the most thought provoking part of your reply, was the last line, where you said:
What a wonderful message to take away from the books...
Yes Faramir is my favourite but Frodo and Sam should come a very close second...
In fact, this reminds me of a conversation I had with my second youngest brother...
Now this particular teenage brother of mine thinks he is tough, therefore he acts mean, he gets into small fights, but I know he’s really shy and caring underneath that hard exterior. I believe his heart is good...
So, shortly after watching 'The Fellowship of the Ring' and before I embarked on reading the tomes of LOTR I asked this brother, who had just finished reading LOTR:
"Who are your favourite characters from the books?"
I was expecting an answer like Aragorn or Eomer (two great warriors) or Legolas and Gimli (another two skilful warriors), basically I was expecting people who was tough and strong and powerful. Instead he says,
[i]"Erm...Frodo Baggins"[/i]
"Frodo? Eh? That little hobbit....? Okay.....
What about your second most favourite character."
[i]"Err...Sam Gamgee."[/i]
"What? Those two midgets? What on earth are they going to do?
All they care about is...is...what time breakfast is and what they're going to eat for lunch and dinner...!
They're going to kicked around like footballs, if the Orcs ever get hold of them!
Sorry, did you understand my question, I asked about your [i]favourite[/i] characters not your [i]least favourite [/i]characters."
[i]"I really like em!"[/i] he replied and he just stayed quiet after that, obviously not wanting to spoil the books for me...
Honestly, I can't believe how very very arrogant I was being (May The Almighty be merciful unto us and unto me). I was seeing just the physical attributes of those two characters and not seeing their inner potential for good.
Perhaps, in a way, that is why our Lord is so merciful to us in this life. Although we sin every day and are unmindful of him, he loves us and forgives us, for he sees the potential each of us has for doing good.....
Sorry, to get back to the hobbits. Small of stature they were but not of heart, they were indeed two of the most courageous characters.
Actually, when I was first reading the 'Two Towers' and 'The Return of the King' I was only really interested in reading them for the epic battles. Yet as the story progressed, I found that it was the internal battles of Sam and Frodo that really captivated me and the fighting started to seem like a distraction :). I've wondered why that was.....
Maybe, on a more spiritual level, this was because the stories were showing me the two main forms of Jihad that we have in our lives the lesser and the greater Jihad; one of open war and the other against the self...
The battle for Helms Deep and the battle of Minas Tirith etc. could be seen as the lesser Jihad of open war. Strength, courage, stamina, faith and a whole host of other virtues must be roused within us to ensure victory.
However Frodo's battle is more internal, against his own desires and is more like the greater Jihad; the internal war against the self.
It requires the same virtues as the lesser Jihad, but to a much deeper level.
What do I mean by this? I'm not sure I can explain...
Well, lets try this. After we hear a talk about the benefits of, for example, being generous then the following two stages usually occur:
Stage 1: We all have generosity at the forefront of our minds and we are very generous for the next few days i.e. we are highly motivated to do good.
Stage 2: But after a few days/weeks, the memory of the talk fades and the whispering from our nafs gets louder and, unless we are careful, we fall back into our old ways and generosity becomes less easy i.e. the living of our lives wears away our noble motivations.
Now a battle could be seen like stage 1. Everyone is pumped full of adrenaline; wanting to die as a martyr and there is a battle that lasts a few hours, or in exceptional cases, a few days. But then it’s over. The survivors of the battle are hailed heroes and songs and stories are written about their deeds.
Frodo’s trial could be seen as more in line stage 2. His struggle is not one highly motivated event of a few hoursm but a constant battle, day in day out. Every minute of every hour he fights against his desire (to put the ring on). He sees no respite from this temptation; which only gets stronger the more he resists it...
Yet he doesn’t give in, he continues his journey, with great courage and discipline.....
This again is a hero but of a completely different type... A hero who doesn’t expect any glory or song to be written about him. A hero who suffers and does not give in, because he believes what he is doing is right...
I think the following quote sums this up nicely:
How could I have forgotten about Frodo and Sam, they are fantastic characters!
Their contribution appears so futile, yet they achieve the ultimate victory. I suppose there is a lesson in that for us all in this...
Furthermore you could say that for Frodo, Sam and Gollum are the two voices that we all have in our heads. One which wants us to succeed and the other which appears to look after us, but ultimately following it will lead to our destruction.....
Goodness look how much I’ve written and I haven’t managed to get onto some of my main thoughts :oops:
I could waffle on but I should stop here. If you’re interested then I may just finish off my thoughts on another post otherwise, if I’ve bored you, then please forgive me and I’ll talk about a lighter aspect of the books next time.
I'm amazed at what can be written from just the short phrase you provided. Obviously there is blessing in the words that you write *DUST*...
In fact, I think I’ll read TT and ROTK again
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
how old are u Mr Paladin :?
Salaam Strider,
Yes, Gollum certainly is a very interesting character, just like Sam and Frodo he's also a hobbit but he certainly doesn't look or act like one...
I suppose he helps to show us what happens when we give in to our desires and then chase those same desires...
Although they may seem to reward us, they will ultimately destroy us; both inwardly and outwardly.
Much can be learnt from Gollum...
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
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Paladin,
feel free to waffle as this thread is especially waffle-friendly.
and ur posts r really interesting, yuit was right! i dunno wen i'm going to find the time to re-read RotK but i really want to... 
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Salaam MuslimSisLilSis,
Hmmm...
Asking bold questions, that is a noble trait when used correctly...
I think I should utilise it more too...
"
"How old do you think I am MuslimSisLilSis?
I'll then let you know how close you are
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
in ur mid or late 30's
am I right?
Salaam *DUST*,
You beat me to it
It is interesting the way 'The Hobbit' interweaves with LOTR.
Gimli son of Gloin, the same Gloin who travelled with Bilbo Baggins
J.R.R. Tolkien had a truly amazing brain.
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
Salaam *DUST*,
Your kind words offer me much comfort...
I don't know when I've ever been allowed to talk or write about LOTR without someone telling me to get a life.
I'll hopefully resume my post the next time I log on, which will probably be Wednesday night.
Thanks again for your supportive words.
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
Salaam MuslimSisLilSis,
Cough, splutter....Mid to late 30's! Goodness do I sound that old? Oh dear...
Sorry I mean,
U iz givin me a bare dissin there Sis, wasssup wiv you?
(hopefully that sounds more 'with it' as they say.)
innit.
May peace be blessed upon you.
Docendo Discimus
LOL
I'm sorry
tis rude to ask people their ages-I know
enjoy ur time in this forum
u write nice posts
Mr Paladin, you are in no way sad
im surprised how you linked LOTR to Islam!
I like it i like it, and your posts are....somethin new, a breath of fresh air i must say
keep it up
and do tell us what you do...uni/work/kindergarten lol
W/s
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Salaam MuslimSisLilSis,
Please, there is no need to apologise - I don't think you've been rude.
Thank you for thinking my posts are nice - high praise indeed
I hope I can post more often but unfortunately I'm very busy at the moment
(talking of which, I've got a meeting first thing in the morning. What am I doing on here? I need to be asleep!)
Salaam,
Thank you ever so much for your words of support.
Knowing that individuals like yourselves like what I write is really motivating. Normally the only comments I get back are.
"You mis-spelt this word" or "You've used the wrong punctuation here".
In fact posting in this friendly forum is the real breath of fresh air
Thank you once again.
May peace be blessed upon you both.
Docendo Discimus
a pity he's dead though
-Become who you were born to be-
indeed.
...and who are you?
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lol...two striders.....now thats gona be confusing
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
well isn't [i]The Hobbit[/i] practically a prologue to the trilogy? i know its the individual story of Bilbo Baggins, but as u pointed out it pretty much gives us a history lesson on the ring, middle earth and the different types of people that inhabit it...
wa'alaikum salaam.
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I would say the Silmarillion is more of the history lesson but you're right the hobbit really is the introduction to this... comprehensive... world Tolkien created.
Am I correct in saying that the dwarf from the Hobbit who reclaims Moria is the same Dwarf king who was found long dead in Moria during the trilogy?
true true (about Silmarillion).
yea, Balin from [i]The Hobbit[/i] reclaimed Moria and is also the one whose tomb they find in [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i].
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By jove you're a Tolkien geek too!
...wait I think I already knew that
And here I was so embarassed!
Balin! That was his name! - That was a depressing couple of pages, I really liked his character in the Hobbit and it's always difficult to lose somebody like that.
To orcs.
!@#!!!! ORCS!
the old strider man... something rong happened tomy other account so im using this!
-Become who you were born to be-
I've always thought that Sam from LOTRs was the hero.
Frodo was a weak muppet who pretty much moans about everything, but Sam is more strong and the number of times he stuck up for Frodo or got him out of trouble.
In the last of ROTK Sam fought that huge spider to save Frodo then he wacked some Orc butt to save Frodo then pretty much fought Gollum on his own.
In my eyes Sams the hero of LOTRs. Frodo was just the ring bearer.
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