Trust In Allah, But Tie Your Camel

[quote="MuslimSister"]And how fatalistic should Muslims be?

I've found that my extreme fatalistic approach to certian things makes me so lazy that I take the back seat.[/quote]

100 i was referring to muslim sisters post

Cool.

seems what exactly does fatalistic means-

dont it mean to accept that whatever happens is the will of God?

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]seems what exactly does fatalistic means-

dont it mean to accept that whatever happens is the will of God?[/quote]

It's the extreme - everything is predetermined there really isn't freewill you are just acting out a role you have no control over

Everything is "fated"

[quote="Constantine"]

It's the extreme - everything is predetermined there really isn't freewill you are just acting out a role you have no control over

Everything is "fated"

[/quote]

Intresting.

So thats a bad thing right?

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Constantine"]

It's the extreme - everything is predetermined there really isn't freewill you are just acting out a role you have no control over

Everything is "fated"

[/quote]

Intresting.

So thats a bad thing right?[/quote]

I consider it bad - and incorrect.

We are told we have free will - if everything is fated then surely we do not.

I consider free will the primary author of fate, and not the other way round.

[quote="Constantine"]

I consider it bad - and incorrect.

We are told we have free will - if everything is fated then surely we do not.[/quote]

Muslims believe in both

its difficult to draw the line at times

[quote="Constantine"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]seems what exactly does fatalistic means-

dont it mean to accept that whatever happens is the will of God?[/quote]

It's the extreme - everything is predetermined there really isn't freewill you are just acting out a role you have no control over

Everything is "fated"[/quote]

oh im not fatalistic then!!

wouldnt say you have no control

i believe in 2 things

1 - you make it what it is
2 - what happens, happens

LilSis is right..........hard to draw the line

but having said that, What happens has already been written, the beauty is we dont know nor can we begin to imagine, and thats were trust in Allah comes in me thinks

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Constantine"]

I consider it bad - and incorrect.

We are told we have free will - if everything is fated then surely we do not.[/quote]

Muslims believe in both

its difficult to draw the line at times[/quote]

No, we have free will.

But patterns are predictable, and some things are out of our control.

You cannot control eg a speeding car hurtling towards you.

The thing with this freewill and destiny talk, is that it get over complicated very quickly, it is rather a simple equation if you look at it. Because as muslims we believe that Allah swt is All Knowing, now if everything wasn’t predestined to happen, then that statement about Allah swt being all knowing would be worng, which is part of a muslim belief.

But as mere human being we don’t have this power of knowing everything, so we live in our own accord and make our own decisions and we have our own responsibility to our life. Because we don’t know what will become of us and its important to remember that this life is only a test and too pass we need to put our full effort into it.

[quote="yuit"]The thing with this freewill and destiny talk, is that it get over complicated very quickly, it is rather a simple equation if you look at it. Because as muslims we believe that Allah swt is All Knowing, now if everything wasn’t predestined to happen, then that statement about Allah swt being all knowing would be worng, which is part of a muslim belief.

But as mere human being we don’t have this power of knowing everything, so we live in our own accord and make our own decisions and we have our own responsibility to our life.[/quote]

Well put.

indeedy

[quote="yuit"]The thing with this freewill and destiny talk, is that it get over complicated very quickly, it is rather a simple equation if you look at it. Because as muslims we believe that Allah swt is All Knowing, now if everything wasn’t predestined to happen, then that statement about Allah swt being all knowing would be worng, which is part of a muslim belief.

But as mere human being we don’t have this power of knowing everything, so we live in our own accord and make our own decisions and we have our own responsibility to our life. Because we don’t know what will become of us and its important to remember that this life is only a test and too pass we need to put our full effort into it.[/quote]

I concur

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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]seems what exactly does fatalistic means-

dont it mean to accept that whatever happens is the will of God?[/quote]

fatalistic to me means same as what constantine said and i'd add that it also means submission to all that happens as inevitable. now we all know no one can say anything is inevitable for sure except death.

i just thought Muslim sister perhaps meant something different, indeed she must

anyway i think yuit's explanation ends the debating

Salam

Excuse me everyone. I hate to break this bad news to you,
but the fact is that we are not free to do whatever we wish: There happens to
be a God out there. And in case you didn't know, He is All Powerful.

Omrow

...honestly?

give him the nobel peace prize award! :roll:

We ARE free to do what we want. But Allah (swt) already knows what we will or won't do...

Certain things such as ones rizq, birth, death etc is stuff that we can't change. Its strongly predestined.

However, dua's and good deeds alters destiny in our favour.

Its a confusing topic...

But being too fatalistic in certain stuff makes me lazy...sometimes I think, why should I bother doing stuff as I'm going to get what's coming to me anyway... :?

There you go. You are confused.

but surely Muslim Sister thats not good.

i feel the opposite i always think that what i receive is what my own hands have sent forth. ie i shape my own fate thats why certain things happen because i deserve them by my own fault or making.

are we talking about opposites here or do you mean the same thing.

and as Omrow says of course Allah is all wise and all knowing. He made us and knows what we have done till our deaths and beyond but inbetween it was all our own making and the blame goes to ourselves for any good or any bad.

If your a good person destiny will ALWAYS be in ur favour

and its tru that if u do bad stuff then obvioulsy bad things will happen to u

Salam

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]If your a good person destiny will ALWAYS be in ur favour[/quote]

And there is me wondering why good people suffer persecution.

Prophets have been slaughtered, Furbal !!

Jesus was nailed to the Cross for five hours !!

Omrow

yes ok Omrow i take back what i said and will be back much later with the revised my version of destiny v freewill i forgot about good things happening to bad people and bad things happening to good people i was so immersed in the self

[quote="Omrow"]Salam

Jesus was nailed to the Cross for five hours !!

Omrow[/quote]

no he wasnt :?

well look where Prophet are today-u dumbo

their reward today was totally worth the hardship they went thru

well spotted Super Ted!! mashallah 10 fold

Read the four Gospels.

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]well look where Prophet are today-u dumbo

their reward today was totally worth the hardship they went thru[/quote]

i never thought of that either course they got what their hands had sent forth. i'm really losing it thanks lilsis you're always on the ball thats why you're the revival personality 2005 and my personal favourite

[quote="Omrow"]Read the four Gospels.[/quote]

Shall i join my local choir as well? :roll:

[quote="seema*"]

i never thought of that either course they got what their hands had sent forth. i'm really losing it thanks lilsis you're always on the ball thats why you're the revival personality 2005 and my personal favourite[/quote]

LOL-

ur such a sweetie seems