Trust In Allah, But Tie Your Camel

MuslimSister —

Salaam

How much should we trust in Allah (swt)? And how much should we do our bit? And how fatalistic should we be as Muslim?

I know that if I wanted to pass some test I should pray to Allah (swt), revise and then sit the test…that’s “tying your camel”

But sometimes I wonder how much I should “do” and how “fatalistic” I should be..?

Allah (swt) has also said that he “does not change men's condition unless they change their inner selves”.

I remember a reading an article once in the MPAC website titled “The Great Muslim Lie; Sit on Your Backside and Call it Dua”…basically arguing the importance of dua AND action.

Anyway I don’t have much to say on this hadith….but I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Wasalaam

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Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:07

Salam

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]well look where Prophet are today-u dumbo

their reward today was totally worth the hardship they went thru[/quote]

We are talking about fate of people here on earth.

We KNOW all good people go to heaven, and all bad people go to hell. You don't have to reveal that to us.

Omrow

laila — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:11

yes Om but its all one long line isnt it pre birth state then birth then death then hell heaven its all one journey full of adventure. the one soul in all different states remains the one soul

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:12

[quote="Omrow"]

We are talking about fate of people here on earth.

[/quote]

did u ever read about the Prophets complaining about their hardships?

so if they didnt moan-why are u complaing?

Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:33

Salam

I am "moaning" because of this little emotional outburst"

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]
If your a good person destiny will ALWAYS be in ur favour[/quote]

Which contradcits this emotional ourburst:

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]
did u ever read about the Prophets complaining about their hardships?[/quote]

Only a woman can manage such blatant self-contradiction.

God !!

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:34

i dont see the contraditions

yeh Prophets had it hard-but they didnt complain

so they didnt see it as "hardships"

they werent weak like us

common sense omro :roll:

Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:39

Salam

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]i dont see the contraditions[/quote]

I'll give you a clue.

Concentrate on your own word: "ALWAYS".

Omrow

Sirus — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:43

did anyone else read some of the strange stuff on his blog :?

Enver....do you think you could get into the mind of Omrow, as you did to Judda?

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:44

[quote="SuperTed"]did anyone else read some of the strange stuff on his blog :?

Enver....do you think you could get into the mind of Omrow, as you did to Judda?[/quote]

why dont u copy past the weird stuf in his thread

You — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:45

LilSis there WAS a hint of contradiction.

Being good you will succeed, but that does not mean you not have a hard life.

Quite the opposite, you will be tested more. Your life will be harder. You will not beablke to turn away, as it will be in you to do the right thing, not the easy thing. That is hard.

Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:46

Salam

The fact is that the silly furbal's first statement is simply not true:

Good people DON'T "always" have good time. Sometimes they suffer terrible fates.

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:47

my point was

the Prophets may have had it "hard" in our eyes but they didnt complain

Prophet Ayub was known to have said that he PREFERED the days of his illness

Our Prohet ﷺ CHOSE to be amongst the poor and not the rich

He was beaten but he only made dua for his followers

the sufi's CHOSE to give up sleep/food etc etc

in our eyes such stuff are "hard"

they they didnt complain

they have a diff threshold for pain and hardships

You — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:49

If you do not complain it does not mean it is not hard. And even hardship can be a good thing, and a blessing.

Does not make it any less dificult.

Dave take your question to 'Omrow' topic.

Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:50

Salam

I see some topics are destined to be hijacked.

Don. I will remind you again.

This topic is not about me.

Please stick to subjects of the threads. It spoils the discussions when the likes of you say anything anywhere.

Thanks to Seraph, we have an ideal "NO TOPIC" thread for saying anything you like.

One more thing: If you want me to reply, then you will have to re-introduce to me after your name change.

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:52

The Prophet were blessd with the pleasure and nearness of God

so how can they complain about having it "hard"

Prophet Ibraheem was thrown in the fire-he loved it there

You — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:55

LilSis you are getting mixed up between dificulty and complaining.

They did not complain, They even saw things as blessings. However it was not the easy way.

Just a diference of semantics.

Dave — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:55

[quote="Omrow"]Salam

I see some topics are destined to be hijacked.

Don. I will remind you again.

This topic is not about me.

Please stick to subjects of the threads. It spoils the discussions when the likes of you say anything anywhere.

Thanks to Seraph, we have an ideal "NO TOPIC" thread for saying anything you like.

One more thing: If you want me to reply, then you will have to re-introduce to me after your name change.

Omrow[/quote]

Somebody didn't check the [i]relevant threads[/i] for both the request and name change introductions

Omrow — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:56

Salam

What she is now saying is that all the terrible fates that the so many Prophets suffered was actually a good thing.

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:56

[quote="Admin"]LilSis you are getting mixed up between dificulty and complaining.

They did not complain, They even saw things as blessings. However it was not the easy way.

Just a diference of semantics.[/quote]

So..what ur trying to say is that if people dont complain...and even THANK Allah for the hardship

that still means their having a tough time?

I disgree

You — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 15:57

They may have been good. They may have been bad.

however they were not easy.

And the prophets did not complain.

So both of you. Out of your trenches,

You — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 16:00

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Admin"]LilSis you are getting mixed up between dificulty and complaining.

They did not complain, They even saw things as blessings. However it was not the easy way.

Just a diference of semantics.[/quote]

So..what ur trying to say is that if people dont complain...and even THANK Allah for the hardship

that still means their having a tough time?

I disgree[/quote]

why?

when the Prophet ﷺ went to taif, the kids threw stones at him. He was bloodied. The Prophet ﷺ did not complain.

You cannot say that is easy.

And the recieving of revelation was also painful at times.

We were taught how to overcome hardship, and how it is not always a curse,but also a blessing.

We whine at the smallest thing. Pious people, Awliya, and prophets etc do not. They thank Allah (swt) for his blessings and his mercy.

Beast — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 16:04

[quote="SuperTed"]did anyone else read some of the strange stuff on his blog :?

Enver....do you think you could get into the mind of Omrow, as you did to Judda?[/quote]

Juda was relatively easy. His probelms are clear for all to see.

But Omrow is a much more complicated figure.

A psychoanalysis of Omrow will take a whole team of [size=5]amature[/size] shrinks.

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 16:04

[quote="Admin"]

when the Prophet ﷺ went to taif, the kids threw stones at him. He was bloodied. The Prophet ﷺ did not complain.

You cannot say that is easy.

[/quote]

Of course I can not say that was easy

I'm a weakling

the Prophet was not like us-

he made dua for them

I couldnt do that

but we need to stop looking at stuff from our own perspective

when we're in pain we moan and complain

the people who are close to God thank him

yuit — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 19:15

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Admin"]

when the Prophet ﷺ went to taif, the kids threw stones at him. He was bloodied. The Prophet ﷺ did not complain.

You cannot say that is easy.

[/quote]
but we need to stop looking at stuff from our own perspective

when we're in pain we moan and complain

the people who are close to God thank him[/quote]

Very Tru

I know that as time passes so do the way I percieve things as well, what i consider hardship a couple of years ago i consider a blessing now as my views have changed and ofcourse vise versa what i consider a blessing maybe hardship for me now. This is due to the fact that my goals have changed and are changing all the time.

MuslimSister — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 22:38

[quote="yuit"]

Very Tru

I know that as time passes so do the way I percieve things as well, what i consider hardship a couple of years ago i consider a blessing now as my views have changed and ofcourse vise versa what i consider a blessing maybe hardship for me now. This is due to the fact that my goals have changed and are changing all the time.[/quote]

I agree.

When I look back , the "worst" times in my life also seem like a blessing to me today.

Time and experience alters people's perspections.

And the Prophet, Awliya's and Sufi's were blessed with wisdom. So they knew that there is hidden sweetness (i.e. reward in this world and hereafter) in the hardships they underwent.

MuslimSister — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - 22:40

[quote="seema*"]but surely Muslim Sister thats not good.

i feel the opposite i always think that what i receive is what my own hands have sent forth. ie i shape my own fate thats why certain things happen because i deserve them by my own fault or making.

are we talking about opposites here or do you mean the same thing.

[/quote]

I totally agree with you Seems.

Its just certain things that I am fatalistic about.

Omrow — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 - 16:47

Salam

Please don't say that you totally agree when you really don't.

Its insulting. Even when it is said to make her happy.

Omrow