Submitted by You on 20 September, 2005 - 22:08 #31
not really.
They will not get the shock years down the line...
And the affection shown to the kid will prove the new parent has for the kid...
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Sirus on 20 September, 2005 - 22:10 #32
well....(ive watched 2 much films in my past life lol).....they go out in search of real parents? they refuse to accept their adopted parents? people find out and isult?
i duno!!
but i guess its worse not telling them. but then......is there any love lost when they realise your not the biological parent?
im just babbling on!!
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by Aphrodite on 20 September, 2005 - 22:11 #33
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
well....(ive watched 2 much films in my past life lol).....they go out in search of real parents? they refuse to accept their adopted parents? people find out and isult?
i duno!!
but i guess its worse not telling them. but then......is there any love lost when they realise your not the biological parent?
im just babbling on!!
If the child has been loved and nurtured well, then if anything, they'll feel more love and gratitute towards the adoptive parents - after all, they were chosen especially.
—
~Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.~
"God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die" ~ Bill Watterson
hay DUH u've been watching too many indian films :roll:
IF I found out that i was adopted I couldnt care less who my good for nothing real parents are
a girl we know-who knows she's adopted often says that
btw a lady mentioned that adoption MUST be in the family cos of pardah issue-is that right?
Submitted by You on 20 September, 2005 - 22:38 #35
no, it is wrong.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
does a adopted mature son need to do pardah in front of his mother?
Submitted by You on 20 September, 2005 - 22:47 #37
no
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Sirus on 21 September, 2005 - 00:34 #38
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
hay DUH u've been watching too many indian films :roll:
it was in my past life!!!!!
and only a few...now n then... :oops:
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by Angel on 21 September, 2005 - 01:04 #39
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
well....(ive watched 2 much films in my past life lol).....they go out in search of real parents? they refuse to accept their adopted parents? people find out and isult?
i duno!!
Lol dont rely on films to give u info on reality, they always have the tendency to exagerate!
I agree that a child should know their adopted cuz it will be less of a shock as opposed later in life. Why do ppl hide the fact that a child has been adopted? its not right!
Submitted by Aphrodite on 21 September, 2005 - 04:41 #40
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Admin" wrote:
no, it is wrong.
does a adopted mature son need to do pardah in front of his mother?
Yes - unless she suckled him as an infant, or unless she was a blood relative before adopting him, i.e, an aunt.
—
~Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.~
"God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die" ~ Bill Watterson
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Omrow on 26 November, 2005 - 14:49 #43
Salam
"Salma" wrote:
Adoption Is Haraam?
i recently heard this and cant believe it might actually be true
apparently it is haraam in islam to adopt a child and give them your 'name', when they are not actually your child (i have heard only fostering a child is allowed)
is this true???
i really hope its not, i had big plans for the future with me and my adopted kids
If the child is son of Peter. You cannot call him son of John. That would be false. God forbids lying.
When he grows up you must tell him whose son he really is.
Adoption is allowed in Islam. Infact, it is recommended.
Prophet was an orphan.
After his parents had died, he was adopted by his uncle Abu Talib.
but u just need to make sure ur child knows his real identity
Submitted by Dave on 26 November, 2005 - 23:19 #45
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
yeh nothing wrong with adoption
but u just need to make sure ur child knows his real identity
And as long as you don't forget to adopt a little girl too.
For some reason adoption rates for girls is way lower than for guys, it's also lower based on race and area of the world.
Pretty sad...
John McCain adopted a little Bengali girl I think - Karl Rove used it in the 2000 election as a pull polling tactic to tell people in my state John McCain had a little black baby - which cost him SC and eventually the election (it's the reason he is so furious with KR)
That was definitely a stain on the state and the party - I didn't really learn about it until after the election.
Always liked McCain
Submitted by Angel on 27 November, 2005 - 01:22 #46
"Jihad Soldier" wrote:
Salaam all
From what I've heard and read, if someone is trying but can't have kids it is haram for them 2 adopt children because if Allah wished them to have children they would have but seeing as they don't it would be haram to adopt because it is going againest Allah's wishes.
I would ;like to hear views on the comment I just made so plz hit me bak on this ppl
I think your comment is invalid cuz if someone cant have kids true Allah knows what is best for them but if someone decides to adopt an orphan whom is in need of care/love then that is somethin that is encouraged in Islam
It is a Ahadith where it is narrated that Holy Prophet said " those who bring up an orphan then on judgment day, I and him will be like this" (the Holy Prophet put his index and middle finger together)
That is an indication to the ummah to look after the orphan hence they shall be those closer to the Holy Prophet on judgment day.
Submitted by Dave on 27 November, 2005 - 15:29 #47
"angel" wrote:
I think your comment is invalid cuz if someone cant have kids true Allah knows what is best for them but if someone decides to adopt an orphan whom is in need of care/love then that is somethin that is encouraged in Islam
It is a Ahadith where it is narrated that Holy Prophet said " those who bring up an orphan then on judgment day, I and him will be like this" (the Holy Prophet put his index and middle finger together)
That is an indication to the ummah to look after the orphan hence they shall be those closer to the Holy Prophet on judgment day.
That makes a lot of sense if you consider that Muhammad was himself an orphan.
I always interpreted that as the reason he had a soft spot for women and children.
lol a psychological evaluation of an arab who died 1400 years ago from a kid that doesn't know anything about psychology... methinks this will not fly in the American Psychological Journal.
Submitted by Angel on 27 November, 2005 - 19:47 #48
"Jihad Soldier" wrote:
Salaam, thanks angel. I also heard sponsoring a child will bring the same reward on judgement day, does any1 no if this is true?
No problem, btw doesnt sponsoring mean to give the necessary things in life to a child ie,. food, education etc. So i would think that sponsors may come under the categoryof upbringin, you may not be bring the child to your own house but you are given the child somethin by other means but Allah knows best.
Dave I'm not an orphan but I also hold soft spot for kids/ophans and oppressed women
Ithink its a natural thing
everyone feels for the weak and helpless
Submitted by Dave on 28 November, 2005 - 14:45 #50
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Dave I'm not an orphan but I also hold soft spot for kids/ophans and oppressed women
Ithink its a natural thing
everyone feels for the weak and helpless
oookay
Well scratch adopt lilsis off my list of things to do today.
lol I don't really... get what you're saying.
Was he not an orphan or something?
Submitted by *DUST* on 28 November, 2005 - 14:59 #51
"Constantine" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Dave I'm not an orphan but I also hold soft spot for kids/ophans and oppressed women
Ithink its a natural thing
everyone feels for the weak and helpless
oookay
Well scratch adopt lilsis off my list of things to do today.
lol I don't really... get what you're saying.
Was he not an orphan or something?
no, he was an orphan but i think wot lilsis is saying is tht even if he wasnt, he'd probably still have behaved in the same manner towards orphans.
...if tht makes any sense?
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Submitted by Dawud on 28 November, 2005 - 15:44 #52
"Constantine" wrote:
That makes a lot of sense if you consider that Muhammad was himself an orphan.
I always interpreted that as the reason he had a soft spot for women and children.
I thought it was because Allah SWT was trainning the Holy Prophet SAW for the task of salvation, but it could explain his SAW compassion to the orphan.
(The majority of Muslims believe that The ProphetSAW was even A Prophet before HisSAW first revelation, i.e. HeSAW was born in the state of Prophethood.)
—
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Submitted by Dave on 28 November, 2005 - 16:37 #53
"Aasiyah" wrote:
no, he was an orphan but i think wot lilsis is saying is tht even if he wasnt, he'd probably still have behaved in the same manner towards orphans.
a person doesnt HAVE to be an orphan to feel for the orphans
a person doesnt HAVE to be an oppressed woman to feel for the oppressed women
compassion towards woman and children is NATURAL in any decent human
comprehende?
Submitted by laila on 28 November, 2005 - 21:21 #55
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Dave ur so not in my good books today :evil:
a person doesnt HAVE to be an orphan to feel for the orphans
a person doesnt HAVE to be an oppressed woman to feel for the oppressed women
compassion towards woman and children is NATURAL in any decent human
comprehende?
i like that lilsis especially last line can we say compassion for all humanity whether they be good or bad should be natural for decent human beings
Submitted by Seraphim on 28 November, 2005 - 21:25 #56
"seema*" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Dave ur so not in my good books today :evil:
a person doesnt HAVE to be an orphan to feel for the orphans
a person doesnt HAVE to be an oppressed woman to feel for the oppressed women
compassion towards woman and children is NATURAL in any decent human
comprehende?
i like that lilsis especially last line can we say compassion for all humanity whether they be good or bad should be natural for decent human beings
Not really Seema.
Compassion is a luxury reserved for the worthy. I wouldnt spare it on "bad" people. I may "empathise" with them... but not "sympathise"... these "bad" people pray on good peoples "compassion" ...
You need to help them stand on their own feet, not pity them.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
not really.
They will not get the shock years down the line...
And the affection shown to the kid will prove the new parent has for the kid...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
well....(ive watched 2 much films in my past life lol).....they go out in search of real parents? they refuse to accept their adopted parents? people find out and isult?
i duno!!
but i guess its worse not telling them. but then......is there any love lost when they realise your not the biological parent?
im just babbling on!!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
If the child has been loved and nurtured well, then if anything, they'll feel more love and gratitute towards the adoptive parents - after all, they were chosen especially.
~Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.~
"God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die" ~ Bill Watterson
hay DUH u've been watching too many indian films :roll:
IF I found out that i was adopted I couldnt care less who my good for nothing real parents are
a girl we know-who knows she's adopted often says that
btw a lady mentioned that adoption MUST be in the family cos of pardah issue-is that right?
no, it is wrong.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
does a adopted mature son need to do pardah in front of his mother?
no
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
it was in my past life!!!!!
and only a few...now n then... :oops:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Lol dont rely on films to give u info on reality, they always have the tendency to exagerate!
I agree that a child should know their adopted cuz it will be less of a shock as opposed later in life. Why do ppl hide the fact that a child has been adopted? its not right!
Yes - unless she suckled him as an infant, or unless she was a blood relative before adopting him, i.e, an aunt.
~Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.~
"God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die" ~ Bill Watterson
in most cases kids arent always adopted as babies
so mums need to do pardah in front of them
myabe thats why many asians dont like to adopt
bump
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salam
If the child is son of Peter. You cannot call him son of John. That would be false. God forbids lying.
When he grows up you must tell him whose son he really is.
Adoption is allowed in Islam. Infact, it is recommended.
Prophet was an orphan.
After his parents had died, he was adopted by his uncle Abu Talib.
Omrow
yeh nothing wrong with adoption
but u just need to make sure ur child knows his real identity
And as long as you don't forget to adopt a little girl too.
For some reason adoption rates for girls is way lower than for guys, it's also lower based on race and area of the world.
Pretty sad...
John McCain adopted a little Bengali girl I think - Karl Rove used it in the 2000 election as a pull polling tactic to tell people in my state John McCain had a little black baby - which cost him SC and eventually the election (it's the reason he is so furious with KR)
That was definitely a stain on the state and the party - I didn't really learn about it until after the election.
Always liked McCain
I think your comment is invalid cuz if someone cant have kids true Allah knows what is best for them but if someone decides to adopt an orphan whom is in need of care/love then that is somethin that is encouraged in Islam
It is a Ahadith where it is narrated that Holy Prophet said " those who bring up an orphan then on judgment day, I and him will be like this" (the Holy Prophet put his index and middle finger together)
That is an indication to the ummah to look after the orphan hence they shall be those closer to the Holy Prophet on judgment day.
That makes a lot of sense if you consider that Muhammad was himself an orphan.
I always interpreted that as the reason he had a soft spot for women and children.
lol a psychological evaluation of an arab who died 1400 years ago from a kid that doesn't know anything about psychology... methinks this will not fly in the American Psychological Journal.
No problem, btw doesnt sponsoring mean to give the necessary things in life to a child ie,. food, education etc. So i would think that sponsors may come under the categoryof upbringin, you may not be bring the child to your own house but you are given the child somethin by other means but Allah knows best.
Dave I'm not an orphan but I also hold soft spot for kids/ophans and oppressed women
Ithink its a natural thing
everyone feels for the weak and helpless
oookay
Well scratch adopt lilsis off my list of things to do today.
lol I don't really... get what you're saying.
Was he not an orphan or something?
no, he was an orphan but i think wot lilsis is saying is tht even if he wasnt, he'd probably still have behaved in the same manner towards orphans.
...if tht makes any sense?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I thought it was because Allah SWT was trainning the Holy Prophet SAW for the task of salvation, but it could explain his SAW compassion to the orphan.
(The majority of Muslims believe that The ProphetSAW was even A Prophet before HisSAW first revelation, i.e. HeSAW was born in the state of Prophethood.)
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Ah.. right
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Dave ur so not in my good books today :evil:
a person doesnt HAVE to be an orphan to feel for the orphans
a person doesnt HAVE to be an oppressed woman to feel for the oppressed women
compassion towards woman and children is NATURAL in any decent human
comprehende?
i like that lilsis especially last line can we say compassion for all humanity whether they be good or bad should be natural for decent human beings
Not really Seema.
Compassion is a luxury reserved for the worthy. I wouldnt spare it on "bad" people. I may "empathise" with them... but not "sympathise"... these "bad" people pray on good peoples "compassion" ...
i will be just but not compassionate to them.
Back in BLACK
why do you lot show orphans pity?
You need to help them stand on their own feet, not pity them.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
we're chatting about compassion
not pity
adopt an orphan every1, if you know ist possible
even if you have your own kids
dont know what the rest of this thread said, but i now defo know that a woman HAS to do pardah from an adopted child
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I thought so
thats HARD :?
the first thing I do when i get home is take my scarf off-its not easy cvering ur hair
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