Submitted by *DUST* on 29 November, 2005 - 18:02 #61
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
dont know what the rest of this thread said, but i now defo know that a woman HAS to do pardah from an adopted child
I thought so
thats HARD :?
the first thing I do when i get home is take my scarf off-its not easy cvering ur hair
not if she happens to have suckled the child...
—
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by Sirus on 29 November, 2005 - 19:56 #62
from what i know, and i asked this to a Shaykh
if the child is not blood, i.e not your son or newphew/niece or along those lines.......they are a non-mahram
once they hit thier teens.....u have to do Pardah from them
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
Submitted by Dave on 29 November, 2005 - 21:18 #64
:?:
Submitted by Sirus on 29 November, 2005 - 21:40 #65
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
really? :?
even if they been suckled? - u sure?
From what i gathered from SHaykh Ramzan Qadri, yeah Pardah
but i will clarify that by the New Year for you Inshallah
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by *DUST* on 29 November, 2005 - 21:56 #66
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
really? :?
even if they been suckled? - u sure?
From what i gathered from SHaykh Ramzan Qadri, yeah Pardah
but i will clarify that by the New Year for you Inshallah
no. if a child has been suckled, the lady who did so is then his 'foster-mother' and her and her children become mahrem to the child, they are called his 'milk-brothers/sisters' (dawood wud love that term!). for e.g. Haleema was foster mother of the Prophet (s.a.w) she and her children were his mahrems.
—
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by Sirus on 29 November, 2005 - 21:59 #67
oh ryt
well im gonna ask this and find out
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
no. if a child has been suckled, the lady who did so is then his 'foster-mother' and her and her children become mahrem to the child, they are called his 'milk-brothers/sisters' (dawood wud love that term!). for e.g. Haleema was foster mother of the Prophet (s.a.w) she and her children were his mahrems.
that makes sense to me
but ask him anyway
he might be coming to our new year eve zikr programme this year
Submitted by judda on 30 November, 2005 - 09:57 #69
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Dave ur so not in my good books today :evil:
a person doesnt HAVE to be an orphan to feel for the orphans
a person doesnt HAVE to be an oppressed woman to feel for the oppressed women
compassion towards woman and children is NATURAL in any decent human
comprehende?
He believes Muhammad was a false prophet who copied the bible. He feels that Muhammad’s experience with women and orphans made him compassionate towards them. He believes that Muhammad was promoting his own set of laws and not God’s laws.
—
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Submitted by judda on 30 November, 2005 - 10:05 #70
Submitted by Dave on 30 November, 2005 - 18:39 #72
"Judda" wrote:
do u [i]really[/i] look like that :?:
Judda Judda Judda
Would I lie to you?
Submitted by laila on 30 November, 2005 - 20:08 #73
"Seraph" wrote:
Not really Seema.
Compassion is a luxury reserved for the worthy. I wouldnt spare it on "bad" people. I may "empathise" with them... but not "sympathise"... these "bad" people pray on good peoples "compassion" ...
i will be just but not compassionate to them.
what you have said is axactly the kind of thing we Muslims i feel should be speaking against
IMO the most worthy and in need of our compassion are those perceived as bad - because i am bad that is why i rely on the mercy of Allah and if i cannot extend my mercy to all humans then i feel i am not worthy of Allah's mercy
so in short i feel if we are merciful then Allah will be merciful to us and to be honest there is nothing more i need then Allah's mercy
Submitted by Dawud on 30 November, 2005 - 20:18 #74
"Ahlul Sheesha" wrote:
oh ryt
well im gonna ask this and find out
Its true, there is alot of barakah in milk, I remember once when I was fought to the ground by this by big white guy, who then pierced me through my body with a metal stick, skewering me to the grid like floor. If it hadn't been for a handy carton of fresh, cool, creamy, fragrant, pure, silky, flowing milk I might not have been able to reach over the overhang underneath my torso and grab the steel pole yank it out through the floor, grab my grenade launcher and put an end to the menace once and for all.
—
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Submitted by Angel on 1 December, 2005 - 00:05 #75
"Dawud" wrote:
"Ahlul Sheesha" wrote:
oh ryt
well im gonna ask this and find out
Its true, there is alot of barakah in milk, I remember once when I was fought to the ground by this by big white guy, who then pierced me through my body with a metal stick, skewering me to the grid like floor. If it hadn't been for a handy carton of fresh, cool, creamy, fragrant, pure, silky, flowing milk I might not have been able to reach over the overhang underneath my torso and grab the steel pole yank it out through the floor, grab my grenade launcher and put an end to the menace once and for all.
wow someone lets their imagination run wild :shock:
Submitted by laila on 1 December, 2005 - 21:07 #76
"angel" wrote:
Seema if you dont mind me askin how young was your son when you adopted him?
of course not dear Angel two and a half. now hes 3 and a half
Submitted by Angel on 1 December, 2005 - 23:08 #77
"seema*" wrote:
"angel" wrote:
Seema if you dont mind me askin how young was your son when you adopted him?
of course not dear Angel two and a half. now hes 3 and a half
awwwww mashallah thats so cute, he must be at that really cheeky age, well i supose my niece is a brat shes four but kids are really clever and curious at that age and learn a lot. It must be a joy watching him.
Submitted by laila on 1 December, 2005 - 23:11 #78
you're absolutely right Angel he is a joy a 100% joy
Submitted by Sirus on 2 December, 2005 - 00:48 #79
Mashallah
Go Seemo
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
dont know what the rest of this thread said, but i now defo know that a woman HAS to do pardah from an adopted child
I was actually thinking of it pretty seriously - especially girls generally are not wanted for adoption, just a cultural stigma.
And many get exploited anyway (hope woody allen burns in hell)
It's pretty tragic
Submitted by laila on 2 December, 2005 - 12:05 #81
constant you've said this before about certain pls not adopting girls i dont know about other areas but in our area girls were hard to find since they were so popular with adopters -
i wanted a girl and especially my husband and his family wanted a girl cos they love them more (which is unfair on the boys) because it is widely believed by adopters girls are easier to look after
i agree with that to an extent ie behaviour etc
still i am very happy that they at least gave me child
in china though and other counties things might be different considering that more girls are given up for adoption
constant you've said this before about certain pls not adopting girls i dont know about other areas but in our area girls were hard to find since they were so popular with adopters -
i wanted a girl and especially my husband and his family wanted a girl cos they love them more (which is unfair on the boys) because it is widely believed by adopters girls are easier to look after
i agree with that to an extent ie behaviour etc
still i am very happy that they at least gave me child
in china though and other counties things might be different considering that more girls are given up for adoption
I'm just speaking in the US specifically where I live.
It was a big problem that people talked about in the DA's office a lot.
"nobody wants a black girl"
Sort of an ugly representation of the social stigmas that still exist but hide from full view.
Submitted by Fatima on 2 December, 2005 - 19:03 #90
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
dont know what the rest of this thread said, but i now defo know that a woman HAS to do pardah from an adopted child
I thought so
thats HARD :?
the first thing I do when i get home is take my scarf off-its not easy cvering ur hair
Salaam
As for the above (I might be making a big assumption here) I think that it is probably one of the main reasons why muslims (esp asains) dont adopt children.
Eg a couple adopts a child, shower him/her with love and affection but when the child reaches the age of 12/13 one of the adoptive parents must do pardah.
IMO it is harder for women as they tend to be closer to their children in the sense that they show affection more readily for their children even when they are older.
Think about it, hypothetically speaking, guys if you were adopted then there would come a time when you would not be able to hug your mother and vice versa for the girls.
May Allah (swt) grant our parents live a long life in this world, as we would be lost without them and may they enter the gates of paradise in the hereafter
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
from what i know, and i asked this to a Shaykh
if the child is not blood, i.e not your son or newphew/niece or along those lines.......they are a non-mahram
once they hit thier teens.....u have to do Pardah from them
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
really? :?
even if they been suckled? - u sure?
:?:
From what i gathered from SHaykh Ramzan Qadri, yeah Pardah
but i will clarify that by the New Year for you Inshallah
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
no. if a child has been suckled, the lady who did so is then his 'foster-mother' and her and her children become mahrem to the child, they are called his 'milk-brothers/sisters' (dawood wud love that term!). for e.g. Haleema was foster mother of the Prophet (s.a.w) she and her children were his mahrems.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
oh ryt
well im gonna ask this and find out
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
that makes sense to me
but ask him anyway
he might be coming to our new year eve zikr programme this year
He believes Muhammad was a false prophet who copied the bible. He feels that Muhammad’s experience with women and orphans made him compassionate towards them. He believes that Muhammad was promoting his own set of laws and not God’s laws.
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
do u [i]really[/i] look like that :?:
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
But when he's posting on the forum he looks like this [img]http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9727/character01764wj.gif[/img]
Judda Judda Judda
Would I lie to you?
what you have said is axactly the kind of thing we Muslims i feel should be speaking against
IMO the most worthy and in need of our compassion are those perceived as bad - because i am bad that is why i rely on the mercy of Allah and if i cannot extend my mercy to all humans then i feel i am not worthy of Allah's mercy
so in short i feel if we are merciful then Allah will be merciful to us and to be honest there is nothing more i need then Allah's mercy
Its true, there is alot of barakah in milk, I remember once when I was fought to the ground by this by big white guy, who then pierced me through my body with a metal stick, skewering me to the grid like floor. If it hadn't been for a handy carton of fresh, cool, creamy, fragrant, pure, silky, flowing milk I might not have been able to reach over the overhang underneath my torso and grab the steel pole yank it out through the floor, grab my grenade launcher and put an end to the menace once and for all.
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
wow someone lets their imagination run wild :shock:
of course not dear Angel two and a half. now hes 3 and a half
awwwww mashallah thats so cute, he must be at that really cheeky age, well i supose my niece is a brat shes four but kids are really clever and curious at that age and learn a lot. It must be a joy watching him.
you're absolutely right Angel he is a joy a 100% joy
Mashallah
Go Seemo
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I was actually thinking of it pretty seriously - especially girls generally are not wanted for adoption, just a cultural stigma.
And many get exploited anyway (hope woody allen burns in hell)
It's pretty tragic
constant you've said this before about certain pls not adopting girls i dont know about other areas but in our area girls were hard to find since they were so popular with adopters -
i wanted a girl and especially my husband and his family wanted a girl cos they love them more (which is unfair on the boys) because it is widely believed by adopters girls are easier to look after
i agree with that to an extent ie behaviour etc
still i am very happy that they at least gave me child
in china though and other counties things might be different considering that more girls are given up for adoption
i agree with u seems
I'd think its only natural to wish for a cute little girl
them people who hold sexist stigma's about kids arent the sort to who adobt in the first place
put a pic of ur self and we will compare it to dat good looking dude
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
I'm just speaking in the US specifically where I live.
It was a big problem that people talked about in the DA's office a lot.
"nobody wants a black girl"
Sort of an ugly representation of the social stigmas that still exist but hide from full view.
Judda - that [i]IS[/i] a picture of me.
I tried to do the same post as the piano man, except I put on my cowboy hat and green cape.
I was wearing an eye patch because it was halloween and I was going as a pirate.
and u expect me to beleive that :roll:
I bet u got that pic from a good looking guy from a catalogue or summing…
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
I have considered a career in modelling
den y dont u
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
too much work to do
Salaam
As for the above (I might be making a big assumption here) I think that it is probably one of the main reasons why muslims (esp asains) dont adopt children.
Eg a couple adopts a child, shower him/her with love and affection but when the child reaches the age of 12/13 one of the adoptive parents must do pardah.
IMO it is harder for women as they tend to be closer to their children in the sense that they show affection more readily for their children even when they are older.
Think about it, hypothetically speaking, guys if you were adopted then there would come a time when you would not be able to hug your mother and vice versa for the girls.
May Allah (swt) grant our parents live a long life in this world, as we would be lost without them and may they enter the gates of paradise in the hereafter
Ameen
Wasalaam
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