nope, because the prophet (pbuh) didnt do it. and the companions neither.

and I agree with your last point, Good point.

Lilly wrote:

nope, because the prophet (pbuh) didnt do it. and the companions neither.

and I agree with your last point, Good point.

+1 the sahaba didn't do it. I'm good with anything as long as people have evidence ie. Qur'an, Ahadith, ijtihad among scholars.

ijtimaa' isnt? consensus you meant?

Why did i write ijtihad??? But yeah that's what i meant, thanks

Yup, I do celebrate Mawlid/Milaad.
Tbh,I do it to celebrate the prophet life, and to remind ourselves of the Sunnah, which we can then try to bring into our lives. I mean without the Prophet we would still be living in a society who was corrupt and deep within the Jahliyah (Although you could argue that we are living in ignorance now -which is actually true, society now is corrupt and in a sense we defo are in the midst of Jahiliyah). The Prophet gave Women rights,helped us to gain peace and tranquilty and taught us about our creator, Allah (swt). So I suppose without the Prophet, we wouldn't have the holy Qur'an because it was revealed to him.
I celebrate Mawlid/Milaad, by fasting, Sending extra Salawat to the prophet, Thanking Allah and showing gratitude,Singing praises about the Prophet(Burdah). In my community though, I suppose there is kind of an atmosphere during Mawlid/Milaad, Houses are lit up with lights,etc. But I think it's kind of become a competiton now- which is really stupid as the true sense of Malid/Milaad is dissapearing.People want their kids to sing the best nasheeds/praises, they want to argue about trivial stuff during recitiations. We should all be united and pray and thank Allah(swt)together. We are the Ummah after all.

Shaykh ul Islam Dr Tahir ul Qadri made a very beautiful point regarding Mawlid. Shaykh mentioned that Mawlid is better and higher in rank than Laylatul Qadr. On Laylatul Qadr we stay awake during the night asking Almighty Allah to forgive us, the night of Qadr is for us, for our own benefit, we spend the night in repentence for our sins whereas for Mawlid we stay awake in the remembrance of Almighty Allah's Beloved, we stay awake celebrating the birth of the Holy Prophet SAW, singing his SAW praises, talking about his SAW seerah, reciting durood and salaam upon him SAW, making the dhikr of Almighty Allah.

Shaykh states that what is more worthy and loving in the sight of Almighty Allah, staying awake for our own sake or staying awake for the sake of His most Beloved Prophet SAW and rejoicing in his coming.

‘Say: Because of the (fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass.’ (Quran - 10:58).

Can I ask, those who don't celebrate the birth of the Holy Prophet SAW, do you celebrate your own birthday whether it's in the form of throwing a party, receiving gifts etc??

I find it funny those who state it's 'haram/bidha/shirk' to celebrate the birth of the Holy Prophet SAW yet they hold their own birthday with such importance and celebrate it.

I love celebrating Mawlid-un-Nabi SAW, just the thought of the day the greatest creation was sent to mankind to take us out of darkness makes me want to shout out loud alhumdulillah, we are truly blessed. No birthday is more worthy to be celebrated as such, the whole world should know that this is the biggest calendar date for the Muslims.

I love the feeling and I pray to my Lord SWT that he continues to bless me and my family to continue celebrating as well as our coming generations

Rabbi-ul-awwal Mubarak!

nope, dont celebrate my bday.

i accept that some people feel that its an important date, but the most important celebration? how can we tell the world this is our most important celebration and yet some of us dont celebrate it. thats..not right.
Let's stick to the eids being our msot important celebration eh?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Due to it being an innovation, nope.

Lilly wrote:

...but the most important celebration? ...
Let's stick to the eids being our msot important celebration eh?

I think the idea is that if a person is not Muslim, then no other celebration matters. Without the prophet (saw), we wouldnt have the other celebrations.

As for importantness - I dont see why people argue such stuff too much.

I do believe that all Muslims who may or may not "celebrate" the mawlid are still happy and joyous that the prophet was born and that is the most important thing. (It seems I am arguing importantness now.)

As for the argument of bid'ah, I came across a new idea the other day - that the sahabahs did "bid'ah" infront of the prophet - this is a form of sunnah where if something was done said or mentioned infront of the prophet (saw), and the prophet either agreed or remained silent, it became a part of accepted sunnah.

But before the prophet (saw)'s reaction, it had to be independently done by a member of the sahaba and would be something new that hadnt been done before.

Saying that, I still dont think it applies here as any acts done are rarely "new acts" but existing acts which are strengthened or done more than normal.

But as long as people are doing what they do for the right reasons, I can accept them all - including not doing something specific in order to greater emulate the way of the prophet (saw).

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

I am going to celebrate milad by doing durood shareef and dhikr probably i'A.

A superb thing to do.

ANGELIC WROTE:

Can I ask, those who don't celebrate the birth of the Holy Prophet SAW, do you celebrate your own birthday whether it's in the form of throwing a party, receiving gifts etc??

I find it funny those who state it's 'haram/bidha/shirk' to celebrate the birth of the Holy Prophet SAW yet they hold their own birthday with such importance and celebrate it.

i find it funny that you are making assumptions. i don't celebrate my birthday. i remember one birthday party done by my parents when i was very young, they were ignorant so it's forgiveable. My friends have given me presents in the past, but when i started learning about my religion i expressly told them not to, but theyre more than welcome to give me presents all year round, i won't say no to that, what sane person would?

i don't celebrate the mawlid same reasons as lily i think theres a lack of evidence for it, end of.

if you choose to great, but lets not argue about it please.

i dont think intention is enough.

Can the people both for and against put together actual points with evidence for their position?

I'd like to read them please.

I don't want you to argue about it, just want to compare them and see where each person is coming from and how strong their evidence is.

Jazak'Allah khayr in advance

I don't think i have enough knowledge to go around correcting people and demanding that they should or should not celebrate Milaad, because i am in no place to judge at all. I don't see a problem with doing Durood, Dhikr and extra recitation of the Quran, but isn't that something that we should be doing all year around anyway?

Last year, near to where i live, the Peer landed in a helicopter, there were horses and fireworks, road closures and people put up Christmas decorations at the front of their houses. I'm not too sure whether the Prophet (S) would approve of this extravagance since Islam is all about simplicity? Here's a link of what it looked like: http://wn.com/jaloos_in_Aston

I liked this answer

TheRevivalEditor wrote:

The simple answer to this topic is that if 1000 years of classical scholars including the likes of Imam Suyuti, asqalani, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Jawzi, Imam Nawawwi and his shaykh, Qastallani, Zurqani, Alusi, Mullah Ali Qari and many many others which the whole ummah accepts as rightly guided Imams- it means that:
- if mawlid was an evil act these giant scholars wouldnt touch it
- if all bidah hasanahs were evil and would lead to hellfire they wouldnt deem mawlid as permissible/rewardable etc. I mean did these scholars not know that the Prophet and sahabah did not celebrate mawlid
- if mawlid was a fitna these great scholars wouldnt encourage the ummah to celebrate it and label it as a blessed celebration

none of the classical scholars are salafi/deobandi/wahabbi/brelwi as we label them today. They are scholars from all school of thoughts.
Each of these great scholars has written a book/booklet on mawlid saying mawlid has always been celebrated and one should celebrate it.

They can be difference in how mawlid is celebrated and as long as celebration is within islamic teachings then these classical scholars deem it permissible.

Now to quote Hamza Yusuf, if the great classical scholars who we have learnt the deen from are wrong then I am happy with their mistakes rather than the corrections of the modern day 'scholar'.

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I'm saying according to the classical scholars its permissible to celebrate the mawlid.
if you don't want to , u dont have to. its not compulsory or sinful not to celebrate it.
Nowadays if u mention u celebrate the mawlid u get funny looks and get labelled as a misguided person, a deviant etc. If you say these things about one who celebrates mawlid then one is automatically attacking the classical scholars who deem it permissible.

@ Hummus, personally I don't think the peer needed a horse and a helicopter :S how is that celebrating THE PROPHET birthday? :S

i like the new quoting style

my "evidence" is that the prophet didnt do it, the sahaba (companion) didnt do it. the tabi'een didnt do it and the tabi tabi'een didnt do it. and these people are the best of mankind.

Why is it wrong to send durood, fast, etc, make more an effort to know about the life of the Prophet in this month?

You can't say that's wrong :/

People say "why don't people do it all the time", well I think that's not a valid response to the argument. I mean take Ramadhan, for example, people make more of an effort because they are reminded of it, it's a special time and they want to take advantage of it.

Now, whether people get extra reward for making an effort in this month or not is irrelevant. The important thing is that they are reminded of the birth of the blessed Prophet and so make an effort, it helps them boost their imaan and they are coming closer to the Prophet and so Allah (swt) Himself.

Oh yeah, next time you feel "eurgh it's monday :@ " please do remind yourself that it's the blessed birthday of the Prophet so you should be happy on that day and love it!

Assalamualikum Warahmatullah.

I am not so learned in this line , but I would like to share my thoughts.

First, what is Mawlid/Milad ? Any definition ?
well what I understand Milad is just to Praise Allah (SBT) and say Dorud and Salam to His Rasul(PBH).As part of that in Indian Subcontinent there are some tradition to Say salam and dorud , like Ya nabi Salamalaika ...ya rasul ..also quote from verse of Shahaba ...ajaal badru alaina...etc etc. It may be noted that our Lord never pray like us , but one thing he does like us is saying dorud and slam to Rasul(PBH). As he says -Innallaha Wa Malaikatihi Yusalluna Alannabi , Ya Ayuhallajina Amanu Sallu Alaihi Wa Sallimu Taslima. Shouldnt we do it more and more ?

So I feel no harm but very much right thing to say Salam and Dorud this way to our most loving Rasul (PBH). we can do it any other way also if the theme is same.

My some brothers and sisters write about milad Haram/bidat etc etc. I would ask them with due honour if this is haram /bidat .. then what about the other real Haram things that we are doing every moment which is completely/truely against the Quran and Hadith.

So I think it is up to us what I am thinking believing , If my believe is Allah (SBT) and His Rasul(PBH). Then I think its OK. May Allah bless all of us with his Rahman and Hedayah.

Ameen

Hummus wrote:

And last year.. down my area, the peer landed in a helicopter, there were horses and fireworks and a big fuss was made.. Was that correct? Would the prophet have approved of it?

It is important to not let our own cultural biases get into the way of things when tryig to suppose how the prophet would act.

As an example, how do you thnk the prophet would react to dancing in the mosque?

I will hazard that its nothing like this:

The Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152).

(Just to clarify, this was not lude or rude behaviour, but a war dance - entertainment nevertheless.)

Going back to your post, the only relevant question is is it allowed - and if there is a reason for banning the use of a helicopter, horses and carriage, or processions, that questioning it is valid. If not, the most you can say is that it may be distasteful, but that is down to personal preference.

Since the argument against has been mentioned, I will mention the argument for:

1. in the Quir'an it is ordered that we proclaim and rejoice in the favours from our Lord - the arrival of the prophet is the biggest once.

2. The prophet fasted on mondays and said that it was because it was aday on which he was born.

3. There is a verse in the qur'an where God sends peace on the day of his (as) birth (and on the day of his death).

All of these suggest that celebrating the mawlid is allowed.

Sometimes people argue that these do not limit the celebration to one part of the year, which is an argument with which I can agree, but point out that as humans we are not always constant and occasions through out the year can help us by reminding us about our faith, about providing momentary motivation that we may be otherwise lacking.

and then there is number 4:

4. Why not?

For something to be not allowed, it needs precedence. In Islam everything is allowed unless forbidden, not the other way around. Some people do argue the opposite using the hadith on bid'ah to make their point, but then they are only using one hadith and ignoring the rest of the ahadith and sunnah:

• There is one hadith which entions that innovations lead to hellfire
• There is another hadith which mentions that when someone starts a new good action and other people follow, the original person will be rewarded for other people copying
• There are many examples from the sahabahs where they started new actions within the life of the prophet in which case if the prophet did not forbid them, it is now actually a form of sunnah.
• The sahabahs also did new actions after the passing of the prophet (saw). One common example is taraveeh by jama'ah, another less common one is hadhrat Aisha (ra) reading the nawaafils of "Chaashat", which was a nafl prayer. When asked if the prophet prayed it, she said no and she also said that if her father came out of his grave to stop her from reading it, she wouldn't stop.

There are many other examples too.

None of the above compells a person to act at a specific time on anything and mawlid can be celebrated any day any time of the year if you so wish to.

Why do people try to belittle the status of the Prophet SAW?

How can one possibly overpraise the Prophet SAW when we as human beings do not know his lofty status?

Patience wrote:

When you stand on the other side of the fence and you just observe the audience involved, you're left shocked at what the audience is doing! You gasp everytime they equal the Prophet to God, dig out quotes and saying and even ayahs to cleverly knit out the perfect speech to get the hearts racing. This is voluntary right? God did say to send peace and durood and the Prophet showed us to do it through Salaah and etc acts which make God the Supreme Entity and that NO ONE can match or be His equal.Tell me when do people do something voluntary for God but yet you have such extravagance for the Prophet?

Our 5 daily salah, tahajjud, dhikr, zakah, sadqah, hajj, fasting, nawafil acts etc, are all for the sake of Allah Almighty and for His SWT pleasure.

You talk about people have such extreme love for the Prophet SAW but do you know God's love for the Prophet SAW? The Prophet SAW has been granted the lofty status of Maqam-e-Mahmood. On the Day of Judgement Allah Almighty will command the angels to get a throne and put it besides the Arsh of Allah Almighty, a throne will be placed for the Prophet SAW NEXT to the throne of Allah Almighty and God will say to the Prophet SAW sit. But out of adab the Prophet SAW won't.

The dhikr of the Prophet SAW has been raised by Allah Almighty, God says if you were to spend the night say Muhammad Muhammad SAW, it is as if you have been saying Allah Allah.

The sahaba would wipe the spit of the Prophet SAW on their faces and bodies. They would not let a single hair of the Prophet SAW fall when he SAW was having his hair cut. The sahaba would almost break into fights to get some of the left over wudu water from the Prophet SAW. The sahabiyya would collect the sweat of the Prophet SAW in bottles. The sahaba would knock on the door of the Prophet SAW with the fingernails. Allah Almighty forbade people to talk loud in the presence of the Prophet SAW.

The only sunnah Allah Almighty has is sending durood and salaam on the Prophet SAW. No other sunnah but this. If God does something it is impossible for creation to ever equal this.

Everyone knows God is One. The Prophet SAW said he did NOT fear shirk for his ummah.

No one ever tries to match God astaghfirullah, that is shirk. Do not mistake peoples love for the Prophet SAW as shirk.

As Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said, let the lovers love in peace.

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I've seen shows where people have gone over board with praise for the Prophet (saw), using him as the first call for help (wth?)

That is called Istighata and has been proven by ahadith.

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offering their kids as a sacrifice (ok not really true lol)

The sahaba used to often say 'May my life, my family, my wealth by sacrificed for you Ya Rasullullah SAW".

The fact is we as human beings will never be able to praise the Prophet SAW enough or give him SAW the respect, due he SAW deserves because we do not know his SAW maqam.

On the Day of Judgement everyone will run towards the Prophet SAW and ask him SAW to intercede for them. All the Prophets AS will direct people towards the Prophet SAW.

We will all be in the Court of Allah Almighty, Allah Almighty will be on His throne BUT we will go pleading to the Prophet SAW and NOT God Almighty.

Will everyone be committing shirk in the Court of God the Most High in front of Him?

Other people may be avoiding replying because there is an historic dispute over the mawlid and how to celebrate it etc.

The one thing that is 100% untolerable is feeling negative at the idea that the prophet (saw)'s arrival on this world. Other than that, people can celebrate it on a day if they want, or not do so if they want, as long as their intention is to do best by Islam - if your intention to celebrate is to show your love, that is good. If your intention to NOT celebrate in a specific way is also to show love for and aderence of the sunnah, that is also OK.

However, the problem becomes when eg someone tries to prohibit its celebration (which AFAIK no one has tried to do here).

I also dont think that anyone has been disrespectful to the prophet in this topic - I do disagree with things said and hold other opinions etc, but I do not think anything has been done as a lack of respect.

One useful feature of events around the year is that they can be energy boosts. Like alarm clocks even to tryt and wake people up (though they can still turn around and immediately hit the snooze button).

On the issue of people doing things wrong in celebrating mawlid (or anything other that is religious), there is often a case of either over eagerness and lack of knowledge making people do something wrong, or over eagerness and a lack of knowledge that make people think something that is allowed is not allowed.

ed you're saying its legitimate because it was celebrated throughout the last thousand years, it still doesnt explain why the most important people i;e the prophet himself neither his wives or children or closest followers did not celebrate His (Saw) birthday during his lifetime nor anyone elses? To be honest what deviant things people do now within mawlid celebrations is irrelevant to me, the reason me and others don't do it is because of this very reason the prophet and his nearest and dearest did not.

i really didn't want to get involved in this debate, i just think its pointless debating it,but felt sorry for PATIENCE

I'd like to know what wrong/deviant/unIslamic things people do in Mawlids.

I have been attending Mawlid celebrations all my life and I have never seen anything unIslamic happen ever.