Noor wrote:

Patience wrote:

offering their kids as a sacrifice (ok not really true lol)

The sahaba used to often say 'May my life, my family, my wealth by sacrificed for you Ya Rasullullah SAW".

The fact is we as human beings will never be able to praise the Prophet SAW enough or give him SAW the respect, due he SAW deserves because we do not know his SAW maqam.

Just to elaborate Hassan Al Thabit (ra)in his poetry said may my mother and father be sacrificed to the holy prophet(pbuh)

"Our love for the Prophet hasn't even reached the required threshold. How can some say it's exceeding the limit?" - Ḥabīb Alī

TheRevivalEditor wrote:

Hajjar wrote:

ed you're saying its legitimate because it was celebrated throughout the last thousand years, it still doesnt explain why the most important people i;e the prophet himself neither his wives or children or closest followers did not celebrate His (Saw) birthday during his lifetime nor anyone elses? To be honest what deviant things people do now within mawlid celebrations is irrelevant to me, the reason me and others don't do it is because of this very reason the prophet and his nearest and dearest did not. i really didn't want to get involved in this debate, i just think its pointless debating it,but felt sorry for PATIENCE

So all the scholars in our history got it wrong then? Imams suyuti, asqalani, ibn kathir, ibn jawzi etc etc they are all misguided then? they dont understand what bidah is then? they are all promoting a devient act then? we should close almost ALL the madrassahs/islamic schools/institites cos almost ALL of them teach their books? so we should burn all the books of all the scholars in the last 1000 years cos they dont know anything; rather we should follow Imas today who know better than them. we are living in crazy times... thats all i'm saying.

Lets be clear you can hold a candle to all the greatest scholars on earth but they are nothing compared to our prophetss Saw authority and actions, and there is no evidence that he approved of it, or told us to celebrate it, surely that is the most important thing what our prophet said rather than scholars of today? 

fasting on mondays.

statying that if people start a new good tradition and other people copy it, the originators are rewarded.

You wont agree, but those that disagree with you will point to ahadith evidence too.

Its proven that Milad un Nabi celebration first started 400 years after Hijrah was stopped & again re-started during 700AH, while in India it first started in Lahore afer 1350AH. The reason used to celebrate this milad un nabi & the start date are enough to call it as a bidah in Islam.

 

"Whoever thinks that there is such thing as a good innovation in Islam, has accused the Prophetصلى الله عليه و سلم of treachery because Allah said "This day I have perfected your religion...". So what was not religion then, is not religion today" (Al-'Itisaam as-Shaatibi 1/38)

6) Ibn e umar r.a said: Every innovation is an astray even if people understands it good.

 

Anas (radhi allahu anhu) said: “The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) came to Madeenah and the people of Madeenah had in Jahiliyah two days of play and amusement (they are the day of Niarooz (New Years Day) and the day of Maharajaan (Final Day of the Year). So, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "I came to you and you had in Jahiliyah two days of play and amusement. Indeed, Allah has replaced them for you by that which is better than them: The day of Nahr (slaughtering) and the day of Fitr (breaking fast)." [(saheeh) Musnad Ahmad (3/103, 178, 235 and others)]
The verdict of Islam is thus very clear. There are only two festivals in Islam, Eid al-Adha and Eid al-Fitr, there is no other festival in Islam, and as a result there is no other occasion to celebrate in Islam.

If i was to create a 6th prayer what would you all think? A 6th prayer is obviously a good thing. If we got it signed off as agreed upon and half the world was doing it in lets say 100 years time. What would that become? A good bida?

It "isnt proven" to be from X time as the aspects that are from ahadith are from ahadith, eg the time of the prophet (saw). you just made a statement and expect everyone to simply accept it with no backing.

(what did happen a few centuries down the line was that a caliph/king for mawlid hired chinese dancers etc, and the ulema came down hard on that festival due to what was done then. However for the king/caliph to have done that, the practice would have been established much earlier and been common before he did something unislamic on it.)

If i was to create a 6th prayer what would you all think?

You mention 6th prayer - That is an interesting one.

While you cannot make a 6th fardh prayer, you are not limited to the nawaafils.

Hadhrat Aisha Siddeeqa was asked about anaflt prayer called AFAIK called  "chaasht" (this is off the top of my head, but i think its early morning timewise) and she said that it was prayed neither by her father (hadhrat abu bakr as siddeeque (ra) )  or by the prophet (saw). She also said she wouldnt give it up even if her father came from the grave to tell her not to read it.

I'd say that she knows more aboute Islam that current merchants calling everything bid'ah.

Further no one is adding a new prayer or anything, they are for mawlid doing already agreed to be allowed things like reading nafl, gathering in dhikr, keeping fasts etc - things which are not banned and are not being "made allowed".

IMO there are three types of people:

1. Celebrate mawlid. think it is allowed.
2. Don't celebrate mawlid, as they are trying to be closer to the prophet
3. Dont celebrate mawlid, go on crusades to prevent others from doing allowed islamic acts such as reading nafl prayer or keeping fasts or giving to the poor.

IMO first two positions are legitimate and allowed because it is based on their knowledge and understanding. However far too many fall into the third, and i cant see this as being anything other than satanic in influence.

The verdict of Islam is thus very clear. There are only two festivals in Islam, Eid al-Adha and Eid al-Fitr, there is no other festival in Islam, and as a result there is no other occasion to celebrate in Islam.

I assume you havent heard of fridays being called as Eid then. The difference between that and the Eidain is that they are enforced official religious holidays while you can go about yor day on other celebrated days such as fridays.

Besides when God sends peace upon a prophet (as) on the day of this birth in the qur'an, I would ignore the new views that have become predominant in some places in the last two centuries.

 

There is an agreement amongst the Scholars that the Prophet (pbuh)was born on a Monday, since he (pbuh) was asked about fasting on a Monday, and he said: "On that day I was born and on that day Revelation descended upon me."(Muslim (2/820) and Ahmad (5/297). However, as regards the exact date of his birth, then the Scholars have differed about this, although the majority of Scholars say that he (pbuh) was born on the 12th of Rabee'ul-Awwal.

Imaam an-Nawawee (d.676H) - rahimahullaah- said: "There is on agreement that he was born on Monday in the month of Rabee'ul-Awwal. There is a difference of opinion whether this day was the 2nd, 8th, 10th or 12th day of the month - and these ore the four most well-known opinions concerning this."Tahdheeb Seeratun-Nabawiyyah (p.20) of Imaam an-Nawawee.

Prophet(pbuh) left this world on Monday morning, the twelfth of Rabi‘ Al-Awwal, in the eleventh year of Al-Hijrah. He was sixty-three years and four days old when he died. (Sealed Nectar)

Ironically until few years ago people used to observe 12th Rabbi ul Awwal as 'Bara wafat' (death day) of Prophet(pbuh). But recently they have changed this and re-named it as a festival 'Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi'

 

 

Celebration of Milad un Nabi via Juloos (procession) started first in undivided-India (prior to independence) in lahore, Pakistan on 5th July 1933/12th Rabbi ul awwal 1353.
Ahsan writes in the newspaper of famous novelist Naseem Hijazi : In Lahore the 1st Eid-e-Miladun Nabi procession/juloos was taken out for the first time on 5th July 1933/12th Rabbi ul awwal 1353. For this license was taken from the britishers (Newspaper Kohistan 22 July 1964). The Milad un Nabi procession was taken out by muslims citing the reason that hindus and Sikhs take out procession of their leaders, so even we have to do the same (Newspaper Kohistan 22 July 1964).

So the reason to start milad un nabi procession was clearly to follow the foot stpes of non-muslims even though:
Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (narrated by Ahmad, 2/50; Abu Dawud, 4/314). And he said, "Be different from the mushrikin."(narrated by Muslim, 1/222, no. 259) – especially with regard to things that are the symbols or rituals of their religion.

the Prophet (pbuh) said: "I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khalifahs after me; adhere to it and cling to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation (bid'ah) and every innovation is a going-astray." (Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; at-Tirmidhi no. 2676).

As for the Friday yeah it was referred to by the Companions as the Eid of the week when asked after the death of Prophet Muhamad (pbuh) however this was made clear by the Prophet (pbuh) and Companions yet they did not refer to the Prophets birthday as being anything.

So i would like to ask the people who decorate their houses and sing and dance on the 12th of Rabi Ul Awal.  What exactly are u celebrating the birhday of Prophet Muhamed (pbuh) or the death day?

 

A small Bid'ah leads to a big Bid'ah, a small sin leads to a big sin, then the sinner becomes pleased with his sin until he considers it permissible and he becomes destroyed! A classic example of this is the incident which occurred during the time of the Sahaabah:

'Amr ibn Salmah said, "We used to sit by the door of Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the morning prayer, so that when he came out we would walk with him to the masjid. (One day) Abu Moosa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, 'Has Abu 'Abdurrahmaan come out yet?' We replied, 'No.' So he sat down with us until he (ibn Mas'ood) came out. When he came out we all stood along with him, so Abu Moosa said to him, 'O Abu Abdurrahmaan! I have just seen something in the masjid which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allaah, I did not see anything except good.' He enquired, 'Then what is it?' (Abu Moosa) replied, 'If you live you will see it. I saw in the masjid people sitting in circles awaiting the prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say, "Repeat Allaahu Akbar a hundred times." So they would repeat it a hundred times. Then he would say, "Say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times." So they would say it a hundred times. Then he would say, "Say subhaanallaah a hundred times." So they would say it a hundred times.' (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, 'What did you say to them?' (Abu Moosa) said, 'I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear your view or what you declared.' (Ibn Mas'ood) replied, 'If only you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!' Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, 'What is this which I see you doing?' They replied, 'O Abu Abdurrahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh.' He said, 'Count up your evil deeds. I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam! How quickly you go to destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam and who are widespread. There are his sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam clothes which have not yet decayed and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a religion better guided than the religion of Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam or you are opening the door of misguidance.' They said, 'O Abu Abdurrahmaan! By Allaah, we only intended good.' He said, 'How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah's Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said to us, "A people will recite the Qur'aan but it will not pass beyond their throats." By Allaah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you.' Then he left them."

Amr ibn Salmah (the sub-narrator) said, "We saw most of those people (refering to the people who initiated bidah in mosque) fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij." (Sunan ad-Daarimi 1/79)

 Ibn Abbas (d.67 AH) said:
"When Bid’ah is created then the Sunnah dies, and continues to die until Bid’ah is alive and the Sunnah is dead” (Tirmidhi 187).

Celebration of Milad un Nabi via Juloos (procession) started first in undivided-India (prior to independence) in lahore, Pakistan on 5th July 1933/12th Rabbi ul awwal 1353

This contradicts accounts from the haramain that are from earlier, before the saudi takeover.

But also, I havent seen proof that processions are not allowed. walking in groups I would suggest is not bidah and would have happened many times in ancient times.

See, you are so deep in your set of beliefs instead of analysing things, you are trying to stop people doing nawaafil prayer actions that are always allowed.

as for when the prophet was born, thats not an issue as mawlid can be done anytime. it is simply an expression of our love and gratefulness that the prophet was born (and in extension that islam was revealed and  gratefulness for being Muslim). this added to nawaafil prayers or fasting, none of that is disallowed.

So when you try to ban those things, it doesnt seem to be right. That is more than smply not thinking mawlid is not allowed, but preventing people from ibadat, so its worse.

Hasina wrote:

A small Bid'ah leads to a big Bid'ah, a small sin leads to a big sin, then the sinner becomes pleased with his sin until he considers it permissible and he becomes destroyed!

I guess you're against reading taraweeh in jama'ah too then. It was explicitly called a bid'ah by the people who started the tradition.

I guess you decide to divive your life already in bid'ahs tha are allowed (new tech) vs not allowed (seemingly when a person does extra nawaafil prayer).

There is also another hadith about bid'ah that you ignore. that hadith is the prophet said (paraphrased) that when someone starts a new good bid'ah and other people follow him, the original person is rewarded for that bid'ah for each person that follows.

Praise be to Allaah.

There is nothing in the Qur’aan to say that we should celebrate the

Mawlid or birthday of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The

Prophet himself

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this or command

anyone to do it, either during his lifetime or after his death. Indeed, he told them not

to exaggerate about him as the Christians had exaggerated about Jesus (upon whom be

peace). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the

son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allaah and His

Messenger.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari). What has been

reported is that the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made the day of

his birth a day of worship, which is different to celebration. He was asked about fasting

on Mondays, and he said: “That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I

was entrusted with the Mission or when I was first given Revelation.” (Reported

by Muslim, al-Nisaa’i and Abu Dawood).

Moreover, we know that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) were

the people who loved the Prophet most. Was it reported that Abu Bakr, who was the closest

of people to him and the one who loved him the most, celebrated the birthday of the

Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Was it reported that ‘Umar, who

ruled for twelve years, or ‘Uthmaan, did this? Was it reported that ‘Ali, his

relative and foster son, did this? Was it reported that any of the Sahaabah did this? No,

by Allaah! Is it because they were not aware of its importance, or did they not truly love

the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? No one would say such a thing

except one who has gone astray and is leading others astray.

Did any of the imaams – Abu Haneefah, Maalik,

al-Shaafi’i,

Ahmad, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibn Seereen – do this or command others to

do it or say

that it was good? By Allaah, no! It was not even mentioned during

the first and best three

centuries. The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh

hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century),

then those who come

after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a

people who will not

care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e.,

they will not take

such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and

al-Tirmidhi). The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday appeared many

centuries later,

when many of the features of true religion had vanished and bid’ah

had become

widespread.

Thus this celebration became a sign of one’s love for the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? But can it be possible that the Sahaabah, the

imaams and the people of the best three centuries were unaware of it, and it was only

those who came later who were aware of its importance?! What the Qur’aan tells us is

that love of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is demonstrated by

following the guidance he brought. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘If you (really) love Allaah, then follow

me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most

Merciful.

Say: ‘Obey Allaah and the Messenger.’ But if they turn away,

then Allaah does not like the disbelievers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31-32]

The first aayah explains that love is just a claim, but the proof of

sincerity is following what the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

brought. The second aayah reaffirms the importance and necessity of obeying Allaah and His

Messenger. Hence Allaah ended the aayah with a very stern warning in which those who

refuse to obey are described as kaafirs, and Allah does not love the disbelievers. We ask

Allaah to keep us safe from that. The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

told us of the danger of not obeying him, and the danger of adding to what he brought. The

celebration of Mawlid or his birthday is indeed an addition to what he brought – as

all the scholars agree. He said: “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the

best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are

newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” (Reported

by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i).

We ask Allaah to protect us from bid’ah and to bless

us by helping us to follow. Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

"If Mawlid is done in this manner that no mistake in quran recitation occurs  and no mistake and careless ness occur in reciting qasida, then what is the harm in it ? My friend, strict measure is to be taken to close the door [ of careless ness] , otherwise there is a famous saying that  small things results in big matter"

 

the words of the great schoalr ahmed sirhindi sure has proven to be correct

 

something whichw as nothing has turned into soemthing big today which doesnt even have a place in islam

JazakAllah for that post Jay K and it's nice to see the return of an old member.

I don't think its fair to say that families that are experiencing alcohol/drug abuse, honour killings, and those that are omitting the five daily prayers, need Milaad to bring them back onto the path, and back to Islam. There are many religious families in which, both the parents and the children, pray their salah, recite the Quran and fulfill their daily Islamic requirements, and at the same time, they STILL celebrate Milaad.

I feel like it's been made into an excuse for celebrating it, just because some families need 'fixing' up, doesn't mean they need to use Milaad as a means. I don't think its fair at all. The whole point and reason people celebrate Milaad is to commemorate the birth of the last Messenger of Allah out of love and admiration so if they DO want to celebrate Milaad then this along with Allah's pleasure should be their focus.

What they really should be doing if they are facing such struggles and difficulties is obididng by Islam, recognising that they are in the wrong, and seeking out for knowledge and the importance of praying Salah, reading the Quran with correct Tajweed, respecting parents/elders, and whatever else they wish to be educated on. I think THIS is the first step in gaining closeness to Allah, the prophet (S) and Islam before anything else. 

this was a duble post

 

but the excuse of using bidah to get oneself into the deen is obviously not a valid reason

 

what good would mawlid do to afghnaistan in which jihad in form of batle is needed not mawlid in which it would do no good to the muslims in any form besides you tell tsome sufi sects what about tableeghi jammat they to give this reason and all of a sudden now they will sya no for this is bidah then what is this?

Jay K wrote:

Assalaamulaykum wa Rahmahtullahi wa Barakathu

inshaAllah all who are reading this receive this in good health.

Before I get into my reply i would like to borrow something from Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad's discussion on the four madhabs of Islam. He quotes the famous Iraqi jurist Imam Sufyan al-Thawri who said: "If you see a man doing something over which there is a debate among the scholars, and which you yourself believe to be forbidden, you should not forbid him from doing it."

This should be kept in mind concerning for all differences of opinion inshaAllah. 

Now concerning the topic of mawlid and biddah, the ulema can discuss this issue much better than I so I enclose links to answers given by people much more knowledgeable than me by the Grace of Allah Zawajal. Before I do I would like to make some small comments inshaAllah.

There are lots of problems in society at the moment and inside peoples houses. People are doing drugs and gaining substance issues commiting crimes such as theft and rape, innocent people being killed and a lot more., and a more internal level, people ain't praying ever, let alone 5 times, don't fast during ramadahn, don't pay zakat and a lot more.This means we need to look at the topic of mawlid with this perspective, that being we have a LOT MORE PROBLEMS than people getting together to remember the Prophet Muhammad salalayu alayhi wa salaam. So how about we put this issue down the list and concentrate on said issues inshaAllah.The mawlid is something that revivses ones heart of the deen and is much more appealing to those people for example who struggle with the obligatory practises but can relate more to mawlid due to the singing for example, because lets be honest, who doesn't like a good sing-a-long?

When Bosnia was under Soviet rule, Muslims from my understanding were not allowed to perform Friday prayers, what kept the deen alive there was people going to each others and secretly practising the mawlid. Where I live, the mawlid has been the passage to the deen for lots and lots of people who were not practising before but now are practising more now mashaAllah. 

I enclose links to a 2 minute video of a talk given by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf concerning the issue of music and the opinions of the four madhabs on its permissiblity, and also the full 75 minute lecture. Both should be a must see inshaAllah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrVRpOraPo (2min27sec clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0uPUnkiOW8 (full 75min talk)

Now in terms of biddah. People seem to be selective in their intrepretation of it. The same people who denounce mawlid as a biddah will make excuses when it comes to the sahaba doing biddah. The hadith that is commonly used for biddah either applies to everyone or no one.

Let me ask you all..do you read the Quran on your phone and tablet?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you read use the Islamic Calender?...That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you eat chicken & chips from your local takeaway?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you read the Qu'ran in book form?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

The Qu'ran was not revealed in book form and is primarily an oral tradition. It wad compiled by Sayyidunna Uthman RadhiAllahuAnhu in its entirely. 

Sayyidunna Umar (RA) invented the Islamic Calender after the physical death of Prophet Muhammad (salalahu alayhi wa salaama)

I can't tell ytou who invented fried chicken and chips but again BIDDAH because its not something Sayyidunna Muhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama ate.

See what I'm getting at here? Most ulema say that there are two types of Biddah: Biddah Husna ie Good Biddah, and than the Bad Biddah which we all know. The links will clarify inshaAllah.

Now to those people who do mawlid, do not let emotion tke over and think if someone does not celebrate mawlid that they do not love Sayyidunna Muhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama. Allah zawajal knows best what is in our hearts and who is anyone to make that kind of statement!

I urge all to check the links below inshaAllah to hear from the ulema and not a nobody like me. Jazak Allah khair for reading, forgive me if I have said something to offend anyone, peace brothers and sisters.

 

 

Assalaamulaykum wa Rahmahtullahi wa Barakathu

"People Do Not Like the Prophet" Alhabib Mohammad Alsaqqaf "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Bsc68L_78

Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid)

 

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2010/11/25/innovation-bida-and-celeb...

 

RE: Milad (Is it permissible to celebrate the Prophet's birthday (Allah bless him and give

 

 

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1776&CATE=108

The Concept of Bid’a in the Islamic Shari’a

 

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2010/02/20/the-concept-of-bida-in-th...

 

 

lets not play around with the word bidah here for everyone know what we mean by harram bidah

bidah is innovation, car is innovation so is that harram no

it is bidah in islam that is harram innovating a new act of worship or new fardh sunnah etc is harram

 

such as if someone sudenly creates a third eid that is harram, if some creates a new celebration like the eid that is harram, if someone creates a new pilgrimage that would  be harram, and if some was to comeout and say we dont have but 6 times a day prayer and creates another salah after isha or in between asr and maghrib that is harram, this is what bidah being harram means bidah in the religion not bidah in general but bidah in islam i believe if anyone reads the hadith it clearly states:

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697)

as i mentioned any new celebration created fits in here as its a new innovation in the religion mawlid is equivelent to someone creating a third eid or a 4th 5th eid, its creating a new celebration in the relgion, so therefore its harram

people are trying to use this hadith to prove their right:

 

Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth) There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)

Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also

from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We

were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].

Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah). From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' andthere was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204) It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat

or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought

a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and

another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw

the face of the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah

be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah

(peace

and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in

Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who

follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever

starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a

burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the

least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab

al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).

From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words

"whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever

revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of

Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow

it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow

his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu

Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the

Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged

the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and

there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in

charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of

Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever

starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete

reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it

detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad,

and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden

like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from

their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)

It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah

(innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will

be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn,

Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were

narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via

al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may

Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/864

@Hummus, 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that milads aren't just about singing or whatever - the fact that they are about celebrating the birth places a lot of importance on the life of the Prophet (saw). It reconnects a person with the Prophet and makes a person love him more. It is only through love that you can trully follow the teachings of the Quran and sunnah and it IS the Quran and sunnah which you need to get back on the straight path. 

However "celebrating" in this month, is not the only way to "fix" such people, of course. Nor does it mean, you can't do these things outside this month. 

 

Jay K wrote:

TPOS wrote:

JazakAllah for that post Jay K and it's nice to see the return of an old member.

jazak Allah khair I'm not worthy to be singled out

lol I was mainly just welcoming you back

But I like how you provided links and didn't leave it just to your words

Jay K wrote:

lol still jazak Allah khair. It is tempting for me not to to be honest. It is easier to just write from emotion but if your going to make a case, make it right.

Wa iyyak

1. Singing was done in the presence of the prophet (saw).

2. The prophet fasted on mondays because it was the day he was born.

3. In the Qur'an, God gives peace to another prophet (as) on the day of his birth and on the day of his passing, indicating that these are blessed occasions.

4. The Qur'an says that the prophet was a blessing to mankind.

5. The Qur'an says that we should celebrate the blessings and favours from our Lord (and the biggest of these is being on the faith that was revealed through our prophet (saw)).

6. There are many eids, just not the two. Friday is also called an eid and this is established in ahadith.

7. I know that it is rewardworthy to not argue when you know that you are in the right but old habits die hard.

8. Any haraam acts are haraam whether done on this occasion or other. If haraam acts are done, they should be forbidden, but that does not stop from celebrating the mawlid.

9. Any good acts do not suddenly turn bad because they are done on such an occasions.

whats the point of arguining this stuff here? if I, me, some of you's friend, were to tell you my argument, would you seriously change ur opinion? i dont think so...

this is like trying to remove wallpaper from the middle of a wall instead of starting at the corners, what im trying to say (as it might be misunderstood) is that if you want to change something, your argument doesnt really matter if people arent ready to listen to you. this might be a controversial topic that people love arguing but that's frivolous talk right now as no one LISTENS to each other. you dont tell someone about paying zakaat when you call them to Islam. might work for a very small minority but that isnt the right way or the effective way.

Jay K wrote:

abualabbasassaffah wrote:

Jay K wrote:

Assalaamulaykum wa Rahmahtullahi wa Barakathu

inshaAllah all who are reading this receive this in good health.

Before I get into my reply i would like to borrow something from Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad's discussion on the four madhabs of Islam. He quotes the famous Iraqi jurist Imam Sufyan al-Thawri who said: "If you see a man doing something over which there is a debate among the scholars, and which you yourself believe to be forbidden, you should not forbid him from doing it."

This should be kept in mind concerning for all differences of opinion inshaAllah. 

Now concerning the topic of mawlid and biddah, the ulema can discuss this issue much better than I so I enclose links to answers given by people much more knowledgeable than me by the Grace of Allah Zawajal. Before I do I would like to make some small comments inshaAllah.

There are lots of problems in society at the moment and inside peoples houses. People are doing drugs and gaining substance issues commiting crimes such as theft and rape, innocent people being killed and a lot more., and a more internal level, people ain't praying ever, let alone 5 times, don't fast during ramadahn, don't pay zakat and a lot more.This means we need to look at the topic of mawlid with this perspective, that being we have a LOT MORE PROBLEMS than people getting together to remember the Prophet Muhammad salalayu alayhi wa salaam. So how about we put this issue down the list and concentrate on said issues inshaAllah.The mawlid is something that revivses ones heart of the deen and is much more appealing to those people for example who struggle with the obligatory practises but can relate more to mawlid due to the singing for example, because lets be honest, who doesn't like a good sing-a-long?

When Bosnia was under Soviet rule, Muslims from my understanding were not allowed to perform Friday prayers, what kept the deen alive there was people going to each others and secretly practising the mawlid. Where I live, the mawlid has been the passage to the deen for lots and lots of people who were not practising before but now are practising more now mashaAllah. 

I enclose links to a 2 minute video of a talk given by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf concerning the issue of music and the opinions of the four madhabs on its permissiblity, and also the full 75 minute lecture. Both should be a must see inshaAllah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrVRpOraPo (2min27sec clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0uPUnkiOW8 (full 75min talk)

Now in terms of biddah. People seem to be selective in their intrepretation of it. The same people who denounce mawlid as a biddah will make excuses when it comes to the sahaba doing biddah. The hadith that is commonly used for biddah either applies to everyone or no one.

Let me ask you all..do you read the Quran on your phone and tablet?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you read use the Islamic Calender?...That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you eat chicken & chips from your local takeaway?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

Do you read the Qu'ran in book form?..That's a BIDDAH!!!

The Qu'ran was not revealed in book form and is primarily an oral tradition. It wad compiled by Sayyidunna Uthman RadhiAllahuAnhu in its entirely. 

Sayyidunna Umar (RA) invented the Islamic Calender after the physical death of Prophet Muhammad (salalahu alayhi wa salaama)

I can't tell ytou who invented fried chicken and chips but again BIDDAH because its not something Sayyidunna Muhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama ate.

See what I'm getting at here? Most ulema say that there are two types of Biddah: Biddah Husna ie Good Biddah, and than the Bad Biddah which we all know. The links will clarify inshaAllah.

Now to those people who do mawlid, do not let emotion tke over and think if someone does not celebrate mawlid that they do not love Sayyidunna Muhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama. Allah zawajal knows best what is in our hearts and who is anyone to make that kind of statement!

I urge all to check the links below inshaAllah to hear from the ulema and not a nobody like me. Jazak Allah khair for reading, forgive me if I have said something to offend anyone, peace brothers and sisters.

 

 

Assalaamulaykum wa Rahmahtullahi wa Barakathu

"People Do Not Like the Prophet" Alhabib Mohammad Alsaqqaf "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Bsc68L_78

Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid)

 

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2010/11/25/innovation-bida-and-celeb...

 

RE: Milad (Is it permissible to celebrate the Prophet's birthday (Allah bless him and give

 

 

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1776&CATE=108

The Concept of Bid’a in the Islamic Shari’a

 

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2010/02/20/the-concept-of-bida-in-th...

 

 

lets not play around with the word bidah here for everyone know what we mean by harram bidah

bidah is innovation, car is innovation so is that harram no

it is bidah in islam that is harram innovating a new act of worship or new fardh sunnah etc is harram

 

such as if someone sudenly creates a third eid that is harram, if some creates a new celebration like the eid that is harram, if someone creates a new pilgrimage that would  be harram, and if some was to comeout and say we dont have but 6 times a day prayer and creates another salah after isha or in between asr and maghrib that is harram, this is what bidah being harram means bidah in the religion not bidah in general but bidah in islam i believe if anyone reads the hadith it clearly states:

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697)

as i mentioned any new celebration created fits in here as its a new innovation in the religion mawlid is equivelent to someone creating a third eid or a 4th 5th eid, its creating a new celebration in the relgion, so therefore its harram

people are trying to use this hadith to prove their right:

 

Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth) There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)

Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also

from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We

were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].

Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah). From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' andthere was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204) It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat

or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought

a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and

another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw

the face of the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah

be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah

(peace

and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in

Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who

follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever

starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a

burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the

least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab

al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).

From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words

"whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever

revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of

Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow

it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow

his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu

Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the

Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged

the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and

there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in

charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of

Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever

starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete

reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it

detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad,

and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden

like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from

their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)

It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah

(innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will

be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn,

Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were

narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via

al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may

Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/864

You mention "lets not play around with the word bidah here for everyone know what we mean by harram bidah

bidah is innovation, car is innovation so is that harram no

it is bidah in islam that is harram innovating a new act of worship or new fardh sunnah etc is harram"

Well clearly we do not seem to agree on where the line of biddah comes from, the act of mawlid is not fard, sending salutations on Sayyidunna Muhhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama is, and I have heard of the first 'mawlid' about Sayyidunna Muhhammad salalahu alayhi wa salaama being written in the third century, however I cannot find a source so I hesitated mentioning it before. We can disgaree my brother....and that is fine! I do not want to be a person who forces their view on someone. What I am bad at is accepting when people aren't open to more than their own views and what they think, if that is what is happening here. I fully accept people not practising mawlid (as if I'm anyone not to), but we must keep an open mind. Islam is bigger than me and you and everyone in the world. It is an open deen. The four madhabs are proofs of that. This attitude of "my Islam is the Islam" irks me and I see that in most muslims frankly, and I am not an exception to this sometimes, and I do not want to get into a heated debate as I do not trust myself to have adab so inshaAllah this will be my last piece on the topic.

The mawlid is no more an act of worship than you making sure you make a certain dhikr once after each prayer. Perhaps it does not fall within the sunnah persay but at at the same time does not transgress the bounds set by the shariah. I suggest you look at the links I included if you didn't already inshaAllah, and to be honest I get a feeling you didn't.

Even Shaykh Ibn Taymiyahh (RA), probably one the most abused people in the history of Islam when it comes to people picking and choosing what to report from what he said, was not against mawlid! Majority of ulema, and we as muslims should go along with the majority, have always approved of the mawlid and deemed it permissibile. Even the few that didn't had nothing against the principle of the mawlid. 

I will again remind myself first of the words of the famous Iraqi jurist Imam Sufyan al-Thawri who said: "If you see a man doing something over which there is a debate among the scholars, and which you yourself believe to be forbidden, you should not forbid him from doing it."

And I'll end with a 2 minute clip from Shaykh Ibrahim Osi Efa and a 8min44sec clip from Shaykh Hamza Yusuf both on mawlid. I urge you to watch both inshaAllah please and I'll leave it there inshaALLAH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqTfaZQguuQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x14RQLgB9s

Assalaamulaykum wa Rahmahtullahi wa Barakathu

 

it is not about me making people agree with my view it is about making people realize the truth, difference of opinion is ok on things like if eid is on friday should we pray zuhr or jummah, having differnece here is ok, but when it comes to the matter of halal and harram then the scenario is competely different the harram must be exposed and halal must be revealed

if this is the scenario then no one should be ok with seeing muslims do a harram act when they know its wrong, difference of opinion is not a excuse

 

in regards to ibn taymiyyahs view on amwlid he said it is a wrong ijtihaad

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/did-ibn-qayyim-ibn-taymiyyah-acce...

his quotation of his fatwa and reference is in that link

in regards to who created mawlid it was stated by none other then his won student ibn kathir and another great scholar ibn hajjar

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/creed/maulid.htm

 

for the sufyan thawri quotation, if i see someone commiting murder and he says it is halal he has daleel should i say let him continue? obviously it depends on what the action is, it doesnt include everything, certain things

 

sending sallam on rasulullah saw is good, but it depends how you do it, if you do it by sayin sallallahualayuwasallam its good, if you do it by reading allahumaswallialamuhammadiyuwalaalimuhammad.... and the rest, and read related duas like this then tis good, sending sallam not just to muhammad saw but like the dua i mentioned also praises family of ibrahim as, but it has to be based on quran and hadith, you cant jsut make up anything you want

imagine if i say i will send my sallam and love to muhamamd saw by eating a 100 burgers this is the way o the sahaba ra, what  would you say, probably im crazy its wrong, which it is for it is not the way of the religion its a innovation, a act according to islam, this is how mawlid is, it is not from islam but from the shia and promoted by sufis, shias used to do this act for ali ra then the sufis did the same for muhammad saw it is a combined creation from 2 deviant groups as ibn kathir and ibn hajr mentioned

 

praying salah is fardh if i create a new form of praying salah and use that to pray salah agian will this be correct? like you say doing sallam to muhamamd saw is ok on mawlid because the sallam part is correct, the answer is no for like the salah example even though the salah is correct what makes it wrong is me creating a new style same with this doing this action mawlid becomes wrong becasue mawlid is a wrong ijtihaad, practice, act, it is a innovation of the religion ad adding something new like in christianity christmas was not done orginally but later on it was innvoated this mawlid is no different to christmas its a innvoated practice and false and has no part in the religion, how sad muslims of today do the very thing which muhammad swa told them not to do:

Umar ibn al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Allahb bless him & give him peace) say: Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Messenger. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 3261)

and you said the 4 imams is a proof the superiority of islam, true, the very action you speak of didnt even exist at their time further proving mawlid not even existing in islam and is a new action no different to  the shias who celebrate the birthday of ali ra

and majority of scholars are agains it not with it, including those who came before this act even existed as they were not even aware of such thing

 

you said mawlid is an act of worhip, if mawlid is a act of worship then allows a person to create a second hajj and say that too is a act of worship

and my final words you is i have no interest in watching a video of a clown who has alliance and friendship with george bush the enemy and a sell out  and im reffering to hamza yusuf
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You wrote:

1. Singing was done in the presence of the prophet (saw).

2. The prophet fasted on mondays because it was the day he was born.

3. In the Qur'an, God gives peace to another prophet (as) on the day of his birth and on the day of his passing, indicating that these are blessed occasions.

4. The Qur'an says that the prophet was a blessing to mankind.

5. The Qur'an says that we should celebrate the blessings and favours from our Lord (and the biggest of these is being on the faith that was revealed through our prophet (saw)).

6. There are many eids, just not the two. Friday is also called an eid and this is established in ahadith.

7. I know that it is rewardworthy to not argue when you know that you are in the right but old habits die hard.

8. Any haraam acts are haraam whether done on this occasion or other. If haraam acts are done, they should be forbidden, but that does not stop from celebrating the mawlid.

9. Any good acts do not suddenly turn bad because they are done on such an occasions.

 

1) acceptions for singing were only made on certain occasions such as singing nasheed in jihad like battle of trench, wedding, eid etc otherwise abu bakr ra reffered it to it as the sound of shaytan and the music of shaytan umar ibn al khattab ra whipped people if the duff was played in any occasion accept eid and wedding adn other valid times

2) according to you someone playing with a sword is dancing which shows the flawed concept you have regarding dance

Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) is the one who narrated this report, then he said: Abu’l-Faraj and al-Qaffaal among our companions said: the testimony of the singer and the dancer is not to be accepted. I say: if it is proven that this matter is not permissible, then accepting payment for it is not permissible either.

3) a event being blessed and celebrating it is 2 different things, the day abu lahab died was also a great miracle are you gonna celebrate that aswell

4) allah also says the rain is a blessing

5) how about showing us the verse so we can do this action at its best

6) the eid comes from the route word of yaood, which means a yearly gatthering or a weekly gathering, the 2 eids are yearly the friday jummuah is the weekly one, we celebrate them both but we celebrate them both in different ways, are you gonna do jummuah on eid if its not on friday simply because it is a eid like jummuah

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/134741

7) that wouldve sounded good if you were right regarding this matter

mawlid itself is harram so it shouldnt be done since it fits in with the other bad things

9) if a person prays nafl or sunnah in between asr and maghrib then that prayer at that time and place becomes harram even though praying isnt harram but at that time it is harram to pray any sunnah or nafl ,no different to how if a person reads quran when he's supposed to be praying, readin quran nothing wrong but at that time it is wrong

Al-Bukhaari (551) narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “There is no prayer after Fajr until the sun has risen fully, and no prayer after ‘Asr until the sun has set.” 

Muslim (1373) narrated that ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani said: “There are three times at which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade us to pray or to bury our dead: when the sun has clearly started to rise until it is fully risen, when it is directly overhead at midday until it has passed its zenith, and when the sun starts to set until it has fully set.”

In relation to number 8, it is not only not proven to be so (you will not find any verse in the qur'an banning it, nor a hadith. On the contrary you can infer that it is allowed as I have shown before...)

 

your references to prayers are at specific times that are expressly forbidden. What you  are suggesting is that people avoid ibadat in celebration of the prophet (saw)'s mawlid - something that I think the Qur'an commands us to do and I can see no ban passed by the prophet or his messenger from carrying out ibadat at these times.

As for the argument that ibadat, even nafl ibadat are only at preset times, Ummul mu'mineen Hadhrat Aisha Siddeeqa was asked about AFAIK the chasht nafl prayer. She stated that it was not prayed at the time of the prophet (saw), but that she would not give it up (and I think her quote continued in words such as even if her father came out of his grave to prevent her).

Third, there is in ahadith a mention of creating new sunnah and how it is a good thing to do - there was a time when a sahabi acted first in a good act and then others copied. The Prophet approved and stated that when someone does a good act and others copy the original person is rewarded as long as people copy. This is how many Islamic traditions started - eg some pious person did ibadat at a specific (allowed) moment and then others copied it. It never became fardh, but a strong tradition and copying it gives reward to the originator of that good act.

(so, in essense, if mawlid had not been celebrated before today, but today I decided that doing ibadat and showing gratefulness for the birth of the prophet was a good act, today I would get rewarded. More, if people copied these good new acts today, they would also get rewarded.)

in regards to ibn taymiyyahs view on amwlid he said it is a wrong ijtihaad

but that those who do celebrate it will be rewarded. (did you know that he was the imam of a mosque that has a famous mausoleum?) Quoting your link and the Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah reference...

And Allah MIGHT reward them for this love and ijtihad, NOT for the BIDAH of taking mawlid of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as an eid.

It still says that the person might be rewarded (though I suggest that the translation has changed the emphasis of the reward in this version) and if he considered it haraam, he would not have said the above as haraam is never rewardworthy (and also haraam has strict definitions that scholars try to avoid using the term unless mandated by the qur'an and sunnah...)

What bid'ah is is that you cannot make something fardh or haraam that hasnt done before (so, calling mawlid haraam is in itself bid'ah as you are adding a new haraam to religion that was not in the qur'an and sunnah.)

I am sure you are aware that the definitions of haraam are pretty stringent - which you should be aware of. SO stringent infact that the salaf rarely dared to use the word, preferring other words for most things, and creating a whole system of classification from fardh to waajib to the sunnahs, to mubah, to the disliked, to the strongly disliked to the haraam.

imagine if i say i will send my sallam and love to muhamamd saw by eating a 100 burgers this is the way o the sahaba ra, what would you say, probably im crazy its wrong, which it is for it is not the way of the religion its a innovation, a act according to islam, this is how mawlid is, it is not from islam but from the shia and promoted by sufis, shias used to do this act for ali ra then the sufis did the same for muhammad saw it is a combined creation from 2 deviant groups as ibn kathir and ibn hajr mentioned

bad example if someone said they were going to celebrate the mawlid by eating 100 burgers, I will stand next to you and say that that is a bad idea.

But if someone says that they will celebrate the mawlid by remembering God, learning about islam, making up missed prayers, even doing something within reason that is celebratory (making a favourite food that is halaal and consumed to within reason), learning about the life of the prophet or other such deed, all of those are different from binging on 100 burgers.

Islam is not just the 5 pillars and jihad. Those are pillars, a foundation to other things.