ok let me use another example more close to home. Why is my aunties dad not locked up for bigmy then? He lives in the UK married to 2 women. His first wife under both English and Islamic his second only under Islamic law.
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Submitted by Ya'qub on 31 January, 2008 - 19:30 #92
"Naz" wrote:
ok let me use another example more close to home. Why is my aunties dad not locked up for bigmy then? He lives in the UK married to 2 women. His first wife under both English and Islamic his second only under Islamic law.
because the government don't know about it?
I have plenty of friends with 2 or more wives, but they don't go around telling the authorities about it.
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Submitted by Courage on 1 February, 2008 - 12:34 #93
You know breaking the law and being punished for it are different things.
Prostituition is illegal, but the police don't really enforce it.
my comment was about coppers. I for one do not care whether prostitution is legal or illegal.
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Submitted by MuslimBro on 1 February, 2008 - 20:50 #97
I myself care whether prostitution is legal or not, coz this affects non-Muslims AND Muslims.
Regarding your comment. You gave reasons why the police don't enforce the law. The reason is because prostitution is not illegal.... that's why it's not being enforced.
But there are women who solicit on the streets. The coppers dont do Jack.
e.g. near Piccadilly train station in Manchester there is a brothel. You see a lot of prostitutes soliciting just under the bridge near the station.
Where are the coppers? Everbody knows there is a brothel there (even the coppers).
They turn a blind eye coz it means more paperwork.
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Submitted by MuslimBro on 1 February, 2008 - 21:31 #101
They like to use what they call 'discretion'. Even if an individual police officer wanted to close a brothel down, they can't just go into one alone and close them down, it requires the permission of a senior police officer and also a group of them have to raid it.
They like to use what they call 'discretion'. Even if an individual police officer wanted to close a brothel down, they can't just go into one alone and close them down, it requires the permission of a senior police officer and also a group of them have to raid it.
Why would someone who does not believe in religion marry? what difference would that person see from cohabiting? except for the loss of money?
Pushing marriage to people who do not believe in religion is IMO the wrong thing to do.
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Submitted by Funzo on 5 February, 2008 - 21:36 #105
Marriage has changed people dont see it as religious but the ultimate binding of man and woman in a ceremony.
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Submitted by Courage on 6 February, 2008 - 15:58 #106
OK so what should we say to those who think marriage is back wards and old fashioned?
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Submitted by Ya'qub on 6 February, 2008 - 16:38 #107
"Courage" wrote:
OK so what should we say to those who think marriage is back wards and old fashioned?
does anyone actually say things like that
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Submitted by Dawud on 7 February, 2008 - 11:07 #108
"You" wrote:
Marriage is a religious act.
Why would someone who does not believe in religion marry? what difference would that person see from cohabiting? except for the loss of money?
Pushing marriage to people who do not believe in religion is IMO the wrong thing to do.
My opinion is opposite to yours. Marriage is also a contract that binds man and wife and lists their rights. If the seeking of companionship with the opposite sex is a part of our nature, then marriage is the refining and perfecting element to that aspect of our nature.
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Submitted by Courage on 7 February, 2008 - 14:27 #109
Yes, Yaqub, some people have.
And Dawud, I know this sucks, but that might be good enough for a Muslim but not for a non-Muslim.
...Marriage is also a contract that binds man and wife and lists their rights...
as defined by religion.
Which is absolutely fine for those who believe in God. Unfortunately in the UK that is a diminishing number.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
ok let me use another example more close to home. Why is my aunties dad not locked up for bigmy then? He lives in the UK married to 2 women. His first wife under both English and Islamic his second only under Islamic law.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
because the government don't know about it?
I have plenty of friends with 2 or more wives, but they don't go around telling the authorities about it.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
You know breaking the law and being punished for it are different things.
Prostituition is illegal, but the police don't really enforce it.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
Too much paperwork. Plus they dont really care.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
Actually, prostitution in the UK is NOT illegal. However things such as kerb crawling is.
Also prostitution in Turkey is NOT illegal.
@Naz- come on you're a law student, you should know this.
my comment was about coppers. I for one do not care whether prostitution is legal or illegal.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
I myself care whether prostitution is legal or not, coz this affects non-Muslims AND Muslims.
Regarding your comment. You gave reasons why the police don't enforce the law. The reason is because prostitution is not illegal.... that's why it's not being enforced.
No its coz they cant be bothered to do their jobs.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
But if prostitution isn't illegal, what have they got to enforce?
Other than what they currently do, such as kerb crawling, child prostitution, ect.
But there are women who solicit on the streets. The coppers dont do Jack.
e.g. near Piccadilly train station in Manchester there is a brothel. You see a lot of prostitutes soliciting just under the bridge near the station.
Where are the coppers? Everbody knows there is a brothel there (even the coppers).
They turn a blind eye coz it means more paperwork.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
They like to use what they call 'discretion'. Even if an individual police officer wanted to close a brothel down, they can't just go into one alone and close them down, it requires the permission of a senior police officer and also a group of them have to raid it.
Read [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/4293669.stm]this[/url].
Well let's ask Yaqub. Obviously telling a Westerner that you can't cohabit isn't exactly easy. So how did you, you know, "get over" it?
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
Thats one reason the government is not doing a lot to stop prostitution.
Give it a couple of years and brothels will probs have to register to pay tax coz they are technically running a business.
They are suppose to be up holding the law not playing pick and choose.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
oh yeah, just remembered something.
Marriage is a religious act.
Why would someone who does not believe in religion marry? what difference would that person see from cohabiting? except for the loss of money?
Pushing marriage to people who do not believe in religion is IMO the wrong thing to do.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Marriage has changed people dont see it as religious but the ultimate binding of man and woman in a ceremony.
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
OK so what should we say to those who think marriage is back wards and old fashioned?
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
does anyone actually say things like that
Don't just do something! Stand there.
My opinion is opposite to yours. Marriage is also a contract that binds man and wife and lists their rights. If the seeking of companionship with the opposite sex is a part of our nature, then marriage is the refining and perfecting element to that aspect of our nature.
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Yes, Yaqub, some people have.
And Dawud, I know this sucks, but that might be good enough for a Muslim but not for a non-Muslim.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
as defined by religion.
Which is absolutely fine for those who believe in God. Unfortunately in the UK that is a diminishing number.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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