Marriage v Cohabitting
Right, we all know that in Islam cohabitting is Haram, while marriage is Wajib. But how do we "build the case" when we talk to a Westerner? You views and arguments please!
Marriage v Cohabitting
Marriage v Cohabitting
[quote="Naz"]ok let me use another example more close to home. Why is my aunties dad not locked up for bigmy then? He lives in the UK married to 2 women. His first wife under both English and Islamic his second only under Islamic law.[/quote]
because the government don't know about it?
I have plenty of friends with 2 or more wives, but they don't go around telling the authorities about it.
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You know breaking the law and being punished for it are different things.
Prostituition is illegal, but the police don't really enforce it.
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[quote="Courage"]You know breaking the law and being punished for it are different things.
Prostituition is illegal, [b]but the police don't really enforce it.[/b][/quote]
Too much paperwork. Plus they dont really care.
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Actually, prostitution in the UK is NOT illegal. However things such as kerb crawling is.
Also prostitution in Turkey is NOT illegal.
@Naz- come on you're a law student, you should know this.
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my comment was about coppers. I for one do not care whether prostitution is legal or illegal.
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I myself care whether prostitution is legal or not, coz this affects non-Muslims AND Muslims.
Regarding your comment. You gave reasons why the police don't enforce the law. The reason is because prostitution is not illegal.... that's why it's not being enforced.
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No its coz they cant be bothered to do their jobs.
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But if prostitution isn't illegal, what have they got to enforce?
Other than what they currently do, such as kerb crawling, child prostitution, ect.
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But there are women who solicit on the streets. The coppers dont do Jack.
e.g. near Piccadilly train station in Manchester there is a brothel. You see a lot of prostitutes soliciting just under the bridge near the station.
Where are the coppers? Everbody knows there is a brothel there (even the coppers).
They turn a blind eye coz it means more paperwork.
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They like to use what they call 'discretion'. Even if an individual police officer wanted to close a brothel down, they can't just go into one alone and close them down, it requires the permission of a senior police officer and also a group of them have to raid it.
Read [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/4293669.stm]this[/url].
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Well let's ask Yaqub. Obviously telling a Westerner that you can't cohabit isn't exactly easy. So how did you, you know, "get over" it?
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[quote="MuslimBro"]They like to use what they call 'discretion'. Even if an individual police officer wanted to close a brothel down, they can't just go into one alone and close them down, it requires the permission of a senior police officer and also a group of them have to raid it.
Read [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/4293669.stm]this[/url].[/quote]
[quote]The UK sex industry is worth an estimated [b]£1bn [/b][/quote]
Thats one reason the government is not doing a lot to stop prostitution.
Give it a couple of years and brothels will probs have to register to pay tax coz they are technically running a business.
[quote]the police never turn a blind eye to brothels or their activities, but acknowledges that it is hard to catch the big players in the industry.[/quote]
They are suppose to be up holding the law not playing pick and choose.
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oh yeah, just remembered something.
Marriage is a religious act.
Why would someone who does not believe in religion marry? what difference would that person see from cohabiting? except for the loss of money?
Pushing marriage to people who do not believe in religion is IMO the wrong thing to do.
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Marriage has changed people dont see it as religious but the ultimate binding of man and woman in a ceremony.
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OK so what should we say to those who think marriage is back wards and old fashioned?
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[quote="Courage"]OK so what should we say to those who think marriage is back wards and old fashioned?[/quote]
does anyone actually say things like that
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[quote="You"]Marriage is a religious act.
Why would someone who does not believe in religion marry? what difference would that person see from cohabiting? except for the loss of money?
Pushing marriage to people who do not believe in religion is IMO the wrong thing to do.[/quote]
My opinion is opposite to yours. Marriage is also a contract that binds man and wife and lists their rights. If the seeking of companionship with the opposite sex is a part of our nature, then marriage is the refining and perfecting element to that aspect of our nature.
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Yes, Yaqub, some people have.
And Dawud, I know this sucks, but that might be good enough for a Muslim but not for a non-Muslim.
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[quote="Dawud"]...Marriage is also a contract that binds man and wife and lists their rights...[/quote]
as defined by religion.
Which is absolutely fine for those who believe in God. Unfortunately in the UK that is a diminishing number.
ok let me use another example more close to home. Why is my aunties dad not locked up for bigmy then? He lives in the UK married to 2 women. His first wife under both English and Islamic his second only under Islamic law.