Let me spell that out again they need love then advice not punishments like some backwater hick state I thought we were all progressive thinkers

laila wrote:

Punished children should be punished! Surely even God does not punish children, advice and love us what the need love first

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true true, but they usually dont give a damn and facing the consequences is more likely to do that then love and advice. I really can't see those kind of people who are in gangs etc listening to someone talking to them lovingly...

But then it goes back to things like primary socialisation, the socio-economic stuff and other factors - which all need to be considered to tackle this problem.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

laila wrote:

Punished children should be punished! Surely even God does not punish children, advice and love us what the need love first

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true true, but they usually dont give a damn and facing the consequences is more likely to do that then love and advice. I really can't see those kind of people who are in gangs etc listening to someone talking to them lovingly...

But then it goes back to things like primary socialisation, the socio-economic stuff and other factors - which all need to be considered to tackle this problem.

'those kinds of people' that's a gruesome statement methinks you might take that back!!!!

laila wrote:

'those kinds of people' that's a gruesome statement methinks you might take that back!!!!

why gruesome? (huge?) generalisation? yes but don't see any gruesome about it :S

Oh dear you don't see how that statement is completely out of order and a gross discrimination a bigotted remark one that I would be totally disgusted as a Muslim to ever own

Who are 'those people ' the wretched and the poor and who are you or me their betters and their superiors can't you see how disgusting that remark is

walking around with a knife is not the same as jumping over a wall.

Kids need discipline and control - you cant overlook everything, especially if the habit could end up with the death of someone.

laila wrote:

Oh dear you don't see how that statement is completely out of order and a gross discrimination a bigotted remark one that I would be totally disgusted as a Muslim to ever own

Who are 'those people ' the wretched and the poor and who are you or me their betters and their superiors can't you see how disgusting that remark is

not really. Yes I do think I'm better than 'those' kind of people

You wrote:

walking around with a knife is not the same as jumping over a wall.

Kids need discipline and control - you cant overlook everything, especially if the habit could end up with the death of someone.

exactamente

Well I'm not I'm not better than any kind of people because I am that kind of people

You wrote:

walking around with a knife is not the same as jumping over a wall.

Kids need discipline and control - you cant overlook everything, especially if the habit could end up with the death of someone.

I don't know about where you grew up, but the people I knew in school who carried knives did because they were really scared, not because they wanted to scare, and would never have used them.

and now they're grown up, they have jobs and families.

imagine one of them was chosen for a 'random' stop-and-search by police.. they're life would be f'd by now.

the key word in the title is 'mandatory'... that means that, no matter what the circumstances are, they will get a minimum sentence. remember, this is without even using the knife.... its not like in the current system people who get found guilty of stabbings get a nice cup of tea and a sit down.

things seem like they're turning into minority report,

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

not really. Yes I do think I'm better than 'those' kind of people

have you ever heard the phrase: 'there but for the grace of God go I'

From what you said in this topic and also the belief in NWO...you seem to feel victimised. *If* you do then remember blaming things on others never helps. Also eveyone has the ability to make a change as Allah swt has given us free will and had told us that if we don't make an effort to change then no change will come about. So the blame culture is useless.

I did not mean to be 'holier than thou' as you implied. I mentioned the gang culture - in which criminal activity is obviously present. I don't take part in crime and crime is wrong therefore I think I can claim to be better.

What goes on in their hearts and whether Allah sees something in them which is better, only He knows but I was obviously was just talkin about that. And just like you say you think you need to make friends Whih are better for your imaan, I would not class such people as those who will benefit me or my imaan so, yes, judging by their actions(what else would u judge by?) I would stay away.

Ya'qub wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

not really. Yes I do think I'm better than 'those' kind of people

have you ever heard the phrase: 'there but for the grace of God go I'

Nope

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

not really. Yes I do think I'm better than 'those' kind of people

have you ever heard the phrase: 'there but for the grace of God go I'

Nope

It means that when you see someone in a worse situation that you are, remember that Allah (swt) could have placed you a lot worse off in the world, and you are not responsible for your own good fortune.

Ya'qub wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

not really. Yes I do think I'm better than 'those' kind of people

have you ever heard the phrase: 'there but for the grace of God go I'

Nope

It means that when you see someone in a worse situation that you are, remember that Allah (swt) could have placed you a lot worse off in the world, and you are not responsible for your own good fortune.

See my above post. If I'm still in the wrong,let me know

lollywood wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

It means that when you see someone in a worse situation that you are, remember that Allah (swt) could have placed you a lot worse off in the world, and you are not responsible for your own good fortune.

THAN YOU ARE
It's not that you are

what an annoying person.