my m8te asked me whether prawn is permissable 2 eat does anyone here know?
i believe it aint coz it aint a fish, not sure...
Submitted by Sirus on 26 October, 2005 - 00:02 #33
prawn is, im sure it is....
never had it in rice?
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He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 00:06 #34
"naj" wrote:
my m8te asked me whether prawn is permissable 2 eat does anyone here know?
i believe it aint coz it aint a fish, not sure...
The answer is that there is a difference of opinion, even in the hanafi madhab there is a difference of opinion. Hence the best option is to follow the ruling according to taqwa and abstain from eating prawn. I personally dont eat it at all but I think Hadrat Thanwi rahimauhullah was of opinion that it is jaaiz.
Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 00:09 #36
"naj" wrote:
i've neva had prawn....only prawn crisps
lol same here Muhtarama
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Submitted by Angel on 26 October, 2005 - 00:11 #37
"Med" wrote:
"naj" wrote:
my m8te asked me whether prawn is permissable 2 eat does anyone here know?
i believe it aint coz it aint a fish, not sure...
The answer is that there is a difference of opinion, even in the hanafi madhab there is a difference of opinion. Hence the best option is to follow the ruling according to taqwa and abstain from eating prawn. I personally dont eat it at all but I think Hadrat Thanwi rahimauhullah was of opinion that it is jaaiz.
So best option is not too eat it.
lol thats funny your teacher or your scholar said its "jaaiz" yet you think its best not to eat it, odd indeed!
Submitted by Sirus on 26 October, 2005 - 00:13 #38
well if in doubt, you always steer clear
as i do with 'flavoured' crisps
but from what i know, prawns are ok - not really heard of em not bien halal!
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
According to the three Madhaahib, viz. Shaaf'ee, Maaliki and Hanbali, the prawn is permissible, irrespective of it being a fish or not. However, according to the Hanafi Madhab, prawn is not permissible as it is not a fish
so basically u follow ur imam right
med wrote he thinks lol
Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 00:16 #40
"angel" wrote:
lol thats funny your teacher or your scholar said its "jaaiz" yet you think its best not to eat it, odd indeed!
as Muhtarama pointed out i said I think. Secondly Hadrat Thanwi made purdah from this world years ago, we dont believe that we get lessons from deceased scholars, perhaps u do. So Hadrat Thanwi isnt my teacher nor is he ''MY'' scholar.
Alhamdulillah I dont see this as a major issue, so no need for me to be bothered abt wht u say. And as Muhtarama pointed out, Mufti Sahib from SA has said it is not halal in our hanafi madhab, Hadrat Thanwi IF he said what I think he said, is entiteled to his view. This is a non issue
—
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by Angel on 26 October, 2005 - 00:19 #41
"Med" wrote:
we dont believe that we get lessons from deceased scholars, perhaps u do. So Hadrat Thanwi isnt my teacher nor is he ''MY'' scholar.
So what if he came to my dream and told me prawns were halal wudnt that be classified as teachin?
Neway he aint your teacher/scholar no biggie, no need to get worked up
Submitted by Sirus on 26 October, 2005 - 00:21 #42
its friday night people, relax....
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by Angel on 26 October, 2005 - 00:23 #43
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
its friday night people, relax....
Please tell me you are with it! Its Tuesday or were u being sarcy?
Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 00:23 #44
"angel" wrote:
So what if he came to my dream and told me prawns were halal wudnt that be classified as teachin?
Neway he aint your teacher/scholar no biggie, no need to get worked up
Lol. No because dreams do not hold shari proof. Even a true dream cannot be used as evidence.
So even if a person were to see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam and HE salallahu alayhi wa sallam told them to do something that would not be a shari' proof.
—
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by Sirus on 26 October, 2005 - 00:26 #45
"angel" wrote:
"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:
its friday night people, relax....
Please tell me you are with it! Its Tuesday or were u being sarcy?
who is 'it'? i am not with him or her at all
i have a land law tutorial to prepare for....and surprise surprise, i find myself here again
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by Angel on 26 October, 2005 - 00:27 #46
"Med" wrote:
So even if a person were to see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam and HE salallahu alayhi wa sallam told them to do something that would not be a shari' proof.
There would be no need for proof as a person who sees the Holy Prophet (Saw) will see the Holy Prophet and what he hears will be the truth, others (as in ppl) may not accept it as its beyond their thinkin etc, but fact is the person who dreams of the Holy Prophet will know that no proof is required.
Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 00:30 #47
"angel" wrote:
"Med" wrote:
So even if a person were to see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam and HE salallahu alayhi wa sallam told them to do something that would not be a shari' proof.
There would be no need for proof as a person who sees the Holy Prophet (Saw) will see the Holy Prophet and what he hears will be the truth, others (as in ppl) may not accept it as its beyond their thinkin etc, but fact is the person who dreams of the Holy Prophet will know that no proof is required.
no1 doubts that if he has seen then he has indeed seen but that is not a valid proof by any scholar, unless perhaps some deviants.
There have been instances where a person sees Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam saying to another drink alcohol. The ulama explain that the person did indeed see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam but he saw through his own perspective so to speak, they say in reality Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam would have been saying dont drink but the person saw throught corruptnes of his heart etc.
Basically in shariah dreams hold no standing, no1 can say I saw this dream so I must do this, or am allowed this act which shariah forbids etc.
According to Hanafi Fiqh if a sea animal cannot survive outside water, it is not halaal for consumption.
According to the others any sea animals are halaal. Both viewpoints use the same hadith as validation. Now that is what I call a difference of opinion without resorting to insults.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by *DUST* on 26 October, 2005 - 01:56 #49
"Admin" wrote:
What Naj posted was basically right.
According to Hanafi Fiqh if a sea animal cannot survive outside water, it is not halaal for consumption.
According to the others any sea animals are halaal. Both viewpoints use the same hadith as validation. Now that is what I call a difference of opinion without resorting to insults.
interesting... i never knew that!
i've had crab and lobster before, and i'm hanafi. :? :oops:
but didnt med say there's a difference of opinion in the hanafi madhab too?
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Submitted by Allahuakbar on 26 October, 2005 - 08:51 #50
Why is a number 2 called a number 2 (I'm talkin about goin to the toilet). Just wanted to know. Anyone know?
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The media, government, tried to blow us, but they can't out the flame, or doubt the name.
Submitted by Medarris on 26 October, 2005 - 19:12 #51
"Aasiyah" wrote:
but didnt med say there's a difference of opinion in the hanafi madhab too?
there is I THINK a difference of opinion even amongst ahnaaf, but my answer was specific to prawns, regarding crab and lobster etc I think the issue is more clear. I recommend you consult ulama in this regard.
whats wrng with flavoured crisps such as barbercue, chicken anyother, i believe they orite 2 eat as long it sez suitable for vegetarians at back, not that i eat em but for those who do.
Submitted by Sirus on 26 October, 2005 - 20:24 #53
its dodgy
whats wrong with ready salted?!
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
we had assorted flavours in jamia but which had suitable for veg at back, there were a time havent checked recently when walkers cheese an onion had animal rennet in it and werent suitable for veg dunno bout now,
as for ready salted its the worse flavour ever....pickled onion is de best
Submitted by Seraphim on 26 October, 2005 - 21:31 #55
I've always heard that any sea dwelling creature would be halal. Not that i would eat squid or shark but fish in general.
I've had prawn all my life... nothing wrong with them. Im pretty sure they cant survive out of water for long as they breathe thru their gills which only work under water.
Walkers Cheese & Onion flav crisps are NOW 'Suitable for Veg' ive checked. Altho bbq beef flav crisps and so on my be 'Suitable for Veg' i would eat them... smells enuff to put me off.
I've always heard that any sea dwelling creature would be halal. Not that i would eat squid or shark but fish in general.
I've had prawn all my life... nothing wrong with them. Im pretty sure they cant survive out of water for long as they breathe thru their gills which only work under water.
Walkers Cheese & Onion flav crisps are NOW 'Suitable for Veg' ive checked. Altho bbq beef flav crisps and so on my be 'Suitable for Veg' i would eat them... smells enuff to put me off.
If prawn can only breathe in water, they are halaal (as if you remove them then they would die...)
The Hanafi ruling is that if a sea dwelling creature cannot live outside water it is halaal.
Otherwise it is not defo haraam, but must match the criteria for land enimals.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Seraphim on 26 October, 2005 - 21:39 #58
"Admin" wrote:
If prawn can only breathe in water, they are halaal (as if you remove them then they would die...)
The Hanafi ruling is that if a sea dwelling creature cannot live outside water it is halaal.
Otherwise it is not defo haraam, but must match the criteria for land enimals.
Its not just that i think i read somewhere that they have to be of herbivore nature inorder for them to be fit for consumption by humans. Meaning we cant eat Carnivorious animals.
herbivores only. That have been slaughtered in the correct way.
Snakes are carnivores.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Seraphim on 26 October, 2005 - 21:50 #60
"Admin" wrote:
herbivores only. That have been slaughtered in the correct way.
nope never watched it
the moment i heard ashwariya was in it... i tried my hardest to avoid it
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
my m8te asked me whether prawn is permissable 2 eat does anyone here know?
i believe it aint coz it aint a fish, not sure...
prawn is, im sure it is....
never had it in rice?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
The answer is that there is a difference of opinion, even in the hanafi madhab there is a difference of opinion. Hence the best option is to follow the ruling according to taqwa and abstain from eating prawn. I personally dont eat it at all but I think Hadrat Thanwi rahimauhullah was of opinion that it is jaaiz.
So best option is not too eat it.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
i've neva had prawn....only prawn crisps
lol same here Muhtarama
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
lol thats funny your teacher or your scholar said its "jaaiz" yet you think its best not to eat it, odd indeed!
well if in doubt, you always steer clear
as i do with 'flavoured' crisps
but from what i know, prawns are ok - not really heard of em not bien halal!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
u heard of [b]mufti ibrahim desai [/b]he says:
According to the three Madhaahib, viz. Shaaf'ee, Maaliki and Hanbali, the prawn is permissible, irrespective of it being a fish or not. However, according to the Hanafi Madhab, prawn is not permissible as it is not a fish
so basically u follow ur imam right
med wrote he thinks lol
as Muhtarama pointed out i said I think. Secondly Hadrat Thanwi made purdah from this world years ago, we dont believe that we get lessons from deceased scholars, perhaps u do. So Hadrat Thanwi isnt my teacher nor is he ''MY'' scholar.
Alhamdulillah I dont see this as a major issue, so no need for me to be bothered abt wht u say. And as Muhtarama pointed out, Mufti Sahib from SA has said it is not halal in our hanafi madhab, Hadrat Thanwi IF he said what I think he said, is entiteled to his view. This is a non issue
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
So what if he came to my dream and told me prawns were halal wudnt that be classified as teachin?
Neway he aint your teacher/scholar no biggie, no need to get worked up
its friday night people, relax....
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Please tell me you are with it! Its Tuesday or were u being sarcy?
Lol. No because dreams do not hold shari proof. Even a true dream cannot be used as evidence.
So even if a person were to see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam and HE salallahu alayhi wa sallam told them to do something that would not be a shari' proof.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
who is 'it'? i am not with him or her at all
i have a land law tutorial to prepare for....and surprise surprise, i find myself here again
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
There would be no need for proof as a person who sees the Holy Prophet (Saw) will see the Holy Prophet and what he hears will be the truth, others (as in ppl) may not accept it as its beyond their thinkin etc, but fact is the person who dreams of the Holy Prophet will know that no proof is required.
no1 doubts that if he has seen then he has indeed seen but that is not a valid proof by any scholar, unless perhaps some deviants.
There have been instances where a person sees Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam saying to another drink alcohol. The ulama explain that the person did indeed see Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam but he saw through his own perspective so to speak, they say in reality Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam would have been saying dont drink but the person saw throught corruptnes of his heart etc.
Basically in shariah dreams hold no standing, no1 can say I saw this dream so I must do this, or am allowed this act which shariah forbids etc.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
What Naj posted was basically right.
According to Hanafi Fiqh if a sea animal cannot survive outside water, it is not halaal for consumption.
According to the others any sea animals are halaal. Both viewpoints use the same hadith as validation. Now that is what I call a difference of opinion without resorting to insults.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
interesting... i never knew that!
i've had crab and lobster before, and i'm hanafi. :? :oops:
but didnt med say there's a difference of opinion in the hanafi madhab too?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Why is a number 2 called a number 2 (I'm talkin about goin to the toilet). Just wanted to know. Anyone know?
The media, government, tried to blow us, but they can't out the flame, or doubt the name.
there is I THINK a difference of opinion even amongst ahnaaf, but my answer was specific to prawns, regarding crab and lobster etc I think the issue is more clear. I recommend you consult ulama in this regard.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
whats wrng with flavoured crisps such as barbercue, chicken anyother, i believe they orite 2 eat as long it sez suitable for vegetarians at back, not that i eat em but for those who do.
its dodgy
whats wrong with ready salted?!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
we had assorted flavours in jamia but which had suitable for veg at back, there were a time havent checked recently when walkers cheese an onion had animal rennet in it and werent suitable for veg dunno bout now,
as for ready salted its the worse flavour ever....pickled onion is de best
I've always heard that any sea dwelling creature would be halal. Not that i would eat squid or shark but fish in general.
I've had prawn all my life... nothing wrong with them. Im pretty sure they cant survive out of water for long as they breathe thru their gills which only work under water.
Walkers Cheese & Onion flav crisps are NOW 'Suitable for Veg' ive checked. Altho bbq beef flav crisps and so on my be 'Suitable for Veg' i would eat them... smells enuff to put me off.
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I agree with all of the above.
And I love prawns.
If prawn can only breathe in water, they are halaal (as if you remove them then they would die...)
The Hanafi ruling is that if a sea dwelling creature cannot live outside water it is halaal.
Otherwise it is not defo haraam, but must match the criteria for land enimals.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Its not just that i think i read somewhere that they have to be of herbivore nature inorder for them to be fit for consumption by humans. Meaning we cant eat Carnivorious animals.
...
Snake anyone?
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herbivores only. That have been slaughtered in the correct way.
Snakes are carnivores.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
:roll: it was a joke admin...
man....
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