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Assalamu Alaikum.
Here are some facts revealed to the prophet(saw) 1400 years ago in the greatest miracle the Qur'an.
Do the unbelievers not realise that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
(Quran 21:30)
Go to http://www.islamicity.com/Science/iqs/sld001.htm it has some amazing pieces of information that prooves islam to the non-muslims and secure the islamic faith.
"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim
OK, lets not debate this. I can get you 1000s of article which refute science claimes in the qu'ran.
Understand what you know.
These things have remained in the quran for a thousand years, you will still see the same quotes in the museums that preserve the old qurans. These are not claims but facts if you buy a copy of the Qur'an which has never changed for 1400 years, to whom you can even ask the historians, you will see these same verses that talk about science.
But you can close your eyes and plead ignorance if you want its up to you so theres absolutley no point coming onto these forums.
"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim
Why have you come onto an internet site to answer some of your most important questions.
You certainly lack commen sense Raj you really need to visit a proper islamic scholar. I don't mean an ordinary imam who runs a small majid who doesn't know any english. I mean a proper scholar whom you should find and maybe you will get an oppurtunity for your questions to be answered if you are sincere.
"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim
Im just looking at your whole intention of posting at these forums. Youve said that your coming here merely to more or less confirm to yourself that Islam isnt real. But perhaps you should reassess and re-examine your intentions before posting anything?
Are you really looking to at things openly, and looking to learn and understand about Islam? Do you really want to look for the truth? Are you really having an open mind about searching, learning about Islam or are you looking at everything through a framework that youve made for yourself? Once you say to yourself, Ok I'm going to seriously study and learn Islam openmindly and see what is right, then you're ready to begin.
Youve gone and searched through some anti-islam websites, read a few random books perhaps (satanic verses doesnt even count as anything - the book is well KNOWN to be just a bad piece of literature, let alone anything that Muslims may have to say about it - he didnt even break any grounds or engage in any meaningful important islamic debate that someone could give credit for), reflected on your days at the mosque - maybe heard a few things, etc. But, what else?
Have you read any of the classical works by Muslims? People like Al-Ghazzali, Al-Juywani, Ibn Rushd, Ibn Arabi, etc.. Have you spoken to/read works of/heard from Muslim academics/scholars/pseudo intellectuals - Tim Winter , Alija Izetbegovic, Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Dr. Murad Wilfred Hofmann, Ingrid Mattson, etc (the above people btw include a University Lecturer at Cambridge, Professor at (University) College Hartford, a Director at NATO Headquarters, a former President, Scholars, etc) - these individuals are far from intellectually weak and poor informed, are they?
Can you REALLY truely that that you have studied Islam properly then? (and i dont want to sound condescending to what youve done at all, honestly) Have you been open about learning about Islam, or have you looked at it with your past baggage hanging..
The posts you have made are (with due respect) just regeritation of random anti-islam websites that are around. Thats very easy to do. I could copy and paste articles from Islamic websites refuting them just as easily. There are several around. But there are many websites refuting them too: http://www.faithfreedom.com/ , http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm , http://www.islamic-awareness.org/
Some things are difficult to understand, so we question, but as time goes on, we may learn more, and realise that our questions have an answer.
If a person's intentions are not complete, then they cant surely expect to engage in any meaningful, insightful even discussion, can they?
Its only about being fair to yourself and being fair to Islam. Be JUST and FAIR in whatever you do.
Asking questions is a good thing, dont get me wrong. (and Islam DOES encourage us to question - just look at the lives of the Prophets (as) - Ibrahim, Musa, Muhammad saw - all questioning their surroundings and questioning) But (respectfully!), an internet forum isnt necessarily always the real place to understand and learn from. Perhaps you should try discussing matters with Muslim scholars - who have more understanding of matters. If you had a medical problem, you wouldnt go to a butcher, right?
In any event, i really do hope that you learn and are able to develop your understanding of islam from these forums inshaAllah
(btw, i would really appreciate it if you put 'peace be upon him' after saying Muhammad)
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
Marsh'Allah Amel, fantastic post, welcome sister :oops:
:oops: im a sis
also, everything is from Allah - im nothing :\\
Also, Jahannum isnt the ONLY word for hell-fire in the Qur'an. I just looked up the other words used in the Quran for Hell-fire. You are also forgetting Naar, al-Jaheem, Lazaa, Saqar, al-Sa’eer, al-Haawiyah, al-Hatamah. These are also words for hell-fire as used in the Qur'an. What about them then?
Christian Arabc use the word ALLAH to refer to god - just check out any arabic copy of the bible. Language is always evolving.
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
Assalaam alaikum , so modest
Are you the Aalima from Australia?
No, but i wish i was! Im guessing that an Alima by the name of Amal lives in Australia then
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
Salam Alykum sister Amal! Welcome to the revival!
Mash'Allah good post, i just hope it knocks some sense into Raj!
I don’t know her name but sister called Dust mention her, she refuted the same ayats Raj posted and his DIY tasfir, I though you may be her, nevertheless happy to have you here, Insha'Allah take the time to introduce yourself in the "New Members thread"
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[b]Never do I argue with a man with a desire to hear him say what is wrong, or to expose him and win victory over him. Whenever I face an opponent in debate I silently pray - O Lord, help him so that truth may flow from his heart and on his tongue, and so that if truth is on my side, he may follow me; and if truth be on his side, I may follow him. [[/b]Imam Al-Shafi'i]
The thing is I am trying to make sure for myself that I am making the correct choice; I don’t want to make the wrong choice. Hence the reason I came here I have many questions, but to me it feels like I never get satisfactory answers. I always get an apologetic answer or “Allah knows best” yeah I admit I haven’t put my questions to half decent Islamic scholars. However I can’t be asked doing that. If I can get the answers on the internet then fine, if I can’t then I can’t. I’m pretty lazy I don’t even go to work for the reason of my laziness.
Yes I am really looking for the truth. I’ve been raised as a Muslim; I do not want to leave Islam for the hell of it and to break my mom and dads heart. I have to think rationally the Qu’ran is pretty hypnotic when you read it you don’t want to put it down. However later when I think rationally – and think about stuff like giants, jinn’s and other things it seems a little far fetched.
This is what gets be frustrated then so what if I read on in anti-Islamic website, why can’t Muslims refute the claims. It’s very hard to justify Mohammed’s (pbuh) marriage to Aisha he had sex with a child at the age of 9 she played with dolls, how does someone explain that? Or how the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) had sex slaves, so as when the Muslim army killed the Jewish man and Mohammed (pbuh) married his wife Saffiya – I will find you the actual hadith if you want. Or how the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) married his adopted son’s wife? Which some Orientals claim that he saw her in a lose dresses and he couldn’t suppress his feelings for her I don’t know about this claim about the lose dress though I mean come on all this is shocking for a man of god to do this is shocking behaviour. When I read the hadith I couldn’t believe it, I thought it was made up I couldn’t believe it. However when I realised this is true stuff I had very hard time trying to think of the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to be a man of god In fact I found it hard to even say the prophets name.
No I haven’t, I spend more time reading Aristotle, Plato etc.
Well I think I have. Why should I try to pretend Mohammed (pbuh) didn’t do this stuff, or he didn’t abrogated the verses of the Qu’ran. Or how no one else saw the archangel Gabriel – you know what I am saying. I really prefer Muslim females maybe that is the reason why I am desperately trying to hold on. But honestly I want to know why did this happen why did the prophet do this. Why did Ali burn a bunch of atheists when in the Qu’ran is say there is no compulsion in religion? Why did the prophet himself go against his own teaching, and then it was ok for him because he was a prophet.
I don’t need to go on them websites the majority of things are in the hadith, and then I am told not to interpret the hadith myself? I know why they say that becouse of the hadith are truly shocking that is why we are told not to interpret them ourselves.
I am being fair to Islam; I am trying to understand what the reasons behind of these things were. I mean come on; I am being very fair here. I am questions Islam because I want to get to the truth.
Do I really need to go to a scholar? I mean come on hasn’t any Muslim questions in history what I am questioning. There should be refutations to all my claims on the internet. I can find a scholar, what would he think if I asked these questions – Muslims and not the most tolerant humans on the earth, Muslims made a big deal of a cartoon. I wonder what would have happened if they publish some hadith which I have stated.
Yeah cool.
Understand what you know.
raj if you light a flame in front of someone with their eyes closed , they can feel the heat but cant see the light
open your eyes and try and see the light
or be lost forever, if you could see Allah no doubt you would be the most devout muslim in the world , but what is the point of that :roll:
You believe everything tv presenters say :roll:
If more people leave Islam than the people who convert to Islam then how is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?
Raj, these things about the prophets marriages we do not deny it but we know there were reasons but since i am no islamic scholar i can't explain them all.
If there were no proper reasons for this behaviour i personally will not be a muslim and I dont think anyone will convert to islam either.
But they are proper reason to whom you can ask proper islamic sholars.
"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim
And just in time! I have an [i]excellent[/i] recipe for blood and silver soup.
As for this flat earth stuff there is a wikipedia entry about it believe it or not:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_flat-earth_theories#Qur.27anic_te...
I dunno how they couldn't know it was round... greeks knew it for centuries and the single largest contribution from Islam to Science was in the area of Astronomy.
then
That really doesnt make sense to me. If you are SINCERE in looking for the truth, and LONG to find out the truth, would you not strive HARD to find it? Would you not research and WANT to find scholars to ask questions? Wouldnt you look for websites where you can ask scholars/more learned people questions (ie http://www.sunnipath.com) Wouldnt you travel to places to seek the answers to the questions that you are looking for? Salman al-Farsi (ra) travelled from Persia to Arabia in search of the truth. How many THOUSANDS of miles was that! Muhammad (saws) said to seek knowledge, even if you have to go to China!
So, i guess ask you again(!)
Are you really looking to at things openly, and looking to learn and understand about Islam? Do you really want to look for the truth? [u]Are you really having an open mind about searching, learning about Islam or are you looking at everything through a framework that youve made for yourself?[/u] Once you say to yourself, Ok I'm going to seriously study and learn Islam openmindly and see what is right, then you're ready to begin.
But then you say:
That confuses me. You are happy and forthcoming to locate and look for hadith for me that say something or the other about Muhammad (saws). But you cant seem to locate and look for scholarly answers, or read more widely rather than anti-islam websites, maybe some philosophers and a few ahadith?
You arent lazy when it comes down to finding something islamophobic and exposing yourself to misinformation about Islam (ie anti-islam websites), but when someone asks you to look for something that would refute the questions that you have, you say that you are too lazy? you dont want it? Thats double-standards isnt it?
Why are you not just as willing to locate other matters about Islam as well? You cant be selectively lazy. Otherwise you are not sincerely looking for the truth, are you?
You seem to be LOOKING for one thing. You have found one or two things that you dont understand, yet you arent willing to try and read more, learn more, and understand more (ie visit a scholar perhaps). You stopped to think, and now youve forgotten to think again.
Why dont you try stop exposing yourself to misinformation about islam, and counteract it by exposing yourself to better surroundings. Surround yourself with the guiding light of Islam. Spend time with some Muslims. Shaytan is trying to mislead you with all sorts of doubts, and you are beginning to stick to them. The Qur'an's guidance is timeless. Work from there.
Our beloved Prophet (saws) was a perfect guide to humanity. He was not a man of unbridled desire, etc. Only a contemptuous mind can perceive anything different. Reassess your intentions. If you are coming from such a view as (astaghfirullah) you 'found it hard to even say the prophets name', then it doesnt sound like you will be willing to accept the truth if it hit you in the face. How can you say that you looking for the truth, looking for answers, when you take such a viewpoint and say such things?
Why dont you try and stop reading anti-islam websites because when they are refuted, they are IGNORED. To expect them to actually publish any articles refuting their claims is as ridiculous as i dont know. Do you really think that people who openly state that they hate Islam would actually post refutations on the same site? Summun Bukmun Umyun - deaf dumb and blind.
Also, i gave you 3 different websites that refute the anti-islam websites you talk about in my earlier post. So how can you say that Muslims ARENT refuting them? I just gave you 3 off hand.
Many of their questions are also pretty baseless and historically old. They are a place of confusion for you because you lack the knowledge to refute their 'claims' yourself.
If you like philosophers, then you should read books by those people i mentioned above - they are famous Muslim Philosophers - al-Ghazali, Ibn Rushd, Avicenna, al-Farabi (al-Farabi incidently wrote a book studying the works of both Aristotle and Plato), etc
Always be willing to improve yourself as a person. Why dont you want to expand your reading etc to the people i mentioned earlier? You can still read the works of Aristotle, Aquinas at the same time, right?
So why dont you take your questions to those who will answer them for you? Again, i posted 3 different websites answering typical 'refutations' - or did you seem to omit seeing them?
Isnt that just a REALLY poor excuse youre using? You havent even done anything constructive about it, and you are already saying that your questions wont be answered? Come on. Are you REALLY looking for answers then? Or have you already made up your mind that you supposedly will never find them? I think the latter.
Youve been making excuses for not attempting to develop your understanding. Everyone here is suggesting that you speak to those more knowledgeable, but its as if you havent heard. Are you really looking with an open mind then? Or are you content with the what (few) ahadith that youve read.
Ahadith interpretation has an entitle science behind it. If a person needed heart surgery, he wouldnt ask his local butcher to perform it would he? Or if you had a legal problem, you would go to a lawyer, right? So why do you think that it would be fine for you, a lay person, to interpret ahadith by yourself? Imam al-Bukhari memorised over 300,000 hadith by heart with their complete chain of narrations, and thats when he interpreted hadith by himself. Its NOTHING to do with how 'shocking' ahadith is or whatsnot. Its logic. There are books that give commentaries on hadith - ie Fath al-Barai by al-Asqalani - maybe try reading those?
One day you may read or hear something, and it wont make sense. But once you ask someone/read some more, you see the wisdom behind it and realise that there is so much more you need to learn. Al-Ghazali (Muslim philosopher) said that people oppose things because they are ignorant of them.
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing - Socrates.
May Allah bestow you with the beautiful light of guidance. Ameen.
some websites for you:
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.islamonline.net
http://www.sunnah.org
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
I hope you do realise its not your judgement to make. No not the first one, but the latter ones.
Not accepting the Qur'an as the litteral representation of Go'ds communication is apostacy. But the sentencing in a dar-ul-kufr is to not socialise with the person.
And if he has questions I would rather see answers than judgements. Too many mufti's here, and too little knowledge.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
btw, a good friend of mine, 'The Reminder', has something to say to you as well: (he isnt registered yet, so i guess typing under my name will have to do for now!)
Why did Moses (as) go to the Pharoah? Why did Prophet Ibrahim going to sacrafice his son? Why did Jesus go aginst the Romans? - The answer to this is that 'Allah swt told them to' -
Raj, when I was revisiting some of these verses I came across the following that best described you:
That there is a difference between the people who offer no good [like yourself] to others and those who always deliver good: [b]“God makes another metaphor: two men, one of them deaf and dumb, unable to do anything, a burden on his master, no matter where he directs him he brings no good, is he the same as someone who commands justice and is on a straight path?”[/b] (Qu’ran 16:76).
This verse outlines that those who have the power to do good, it is not an option but a responsibility to do good.
There have been Islamic nations that are willing to do nothing merely for the reason that they fear retaliation and oppression from other nations. Allah swt has stated: [b]“When he is told to have fear of God, he is seized by pride which drives him to wrongdoing. Hell will be enough for him. What an evil resting place.” [/b](Qu’ran 2:205-206).
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
As Admin has said it is not our place to judge others who do not believe in the truthfulness of the message.
He is on a path for knowledge and rightfully so. As blind obiedance without knowledge does no one any good.
The holy Prophet(pbuh) once said: "The best people are those who are most useful to others."
What the brother must understand is that we are also on the same path, and although we maybe able to offer some answers we are by no means scholars so the brother will have to forgive us if we can not provide a satisfactory answer straight away.
However the brother should not be discouraged as this does not mean there isnt an answer.
Seek and ye shall find.
Back in BLACK
Aslamalikum,
Wow, this is a very exciting reading my dear friend Amal's comment and replies... Should I comment on Raj's stupidity that we are witnessing before us in relation to 'his new well-founded ignorance'?
Raj, I hope you understand that alot can be gained by the following verse of the Qu'ran: "What is the life of this world by play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will you not then understand? (Surat al-An'am 32)
You have researched and gone deep into criticising may Allah forgive me Islam and Prophet Muhammad PBUH whilst you could have spent that time in understanding the love the Muslims have for our Prophet Muhammad PBHU and Allah swt. You live in a illusion and you like what you see, will you I ask live in this illusion forever?
Raj - I'l leave you with this and I hope you do not run away from Islam but embrace it as Islam is the key as it is stated in the Qu’ran: “Surely the way of life acceptable to Allah, is Islam” (Qu’ran 3:19). If you run away beacuse you feel Islam is may Allah forgive me a terrorist religion or for someother unfounded reason then the Qu'ran states this: 'Running away will not profit you if you are running away from death or slaughter, and even if (you do escape), no more than a brief (respite) you will be allowed to enjoy' (Surat al-Ahzab 16).
The above quote spreads to many feared suppositions of life. Stand firm in Islam and you will inherit the world.
'And ask them who has created all things in heavens and earth and many will say 'Allah'. Say: 'Praise be to Allah' But most of them understand not' (Surat Luqman 25)
If you say: 'Allah'. How then are they deluded away (from the truth)? (Surat az-Zukhruf 87)
How are you deluded away from the truth Raj?... I wonder I wonder!
Walikumsalaam
“So remind them! You are only a reminder. You are not in control of them” (Qu’ran 8821-22)
I am not a messenger of the people, I am not a keeper of the people, I am a reminder.
The Reminder - no point being self indulgent.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
muslims always believed in the earth being round. sometimes people interpret verses in their own random ways to suit what they think. remember elizabeth on the old forums (i think that was her username anyway) - she used to bang on at us about the earth being flat... we pretty much disagreed with her on everything lol.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
"Elizabeth Thompson Khan"... the white anti-white racist.
lol she was a trip... I think she got bored when we all stopped listening to her...
Anyway that makes sense, Astronomy and Medicine (Avicenna) were pretty much the two big areas contributed by Muslims. I dunno how a seafaring people with a great knowledge of celestial bodies could miss that slight detail...
I can understand what you’re saying. However I have tried to look for scholars on the internet, I’ve emailed several people and not had a response back from them. I have a Muslim girl who helps me out whoever she is on a holiday don’t really know what she is going to come back. Anyway I’ve been on Sunni path; they banned me for asking some of the questions I did. Also I had to wait a long time to get a response even then it was still not very satisfactory. I asked in the Qu’ran it says everything obeys Allah right? Then how did Satan disobey Allah when Allah told him to bow? Never really got a decent answer to my question, it was either “Allah knows best” or “Satan is not like a human” these are not answers to the questions. Majority of the Muslims don’t want you to question these things. Now you will probably say I need to see a scholar. Its always I need to see someone I don’t understand or I am trying to interpret things.
Yes I am looking at things openly. Come on dear you’re speaking to me as if I am a little child or something I am a fully grown rational free thinking human being. Of I be anymore open-minded my brain will fall out.
That was so that you understand I am not making things up, hence why I said that I would find you the actual hadith. Now it’s easy to locate the hadith there are 100s of websites. I read all sorts of martial from science to metaphysics to theology and philosophical works. I don’t just go on an anti-Islam website, however I would listen to the argument they are presenting. Just because they are anti Islam doesn’t make their claims false even a broke clock is right twice a day.
If its on the internet I will go and find it. Or at least try to. If you have links, I will read them give me em’ only thing throughout you’ve said I am not sincere in searching or I am looking in the wrong spots, yet you haven’t game me any half decent links I could check out. The ones you give me I already have. This just proves that I also read on Islamic websites and not just anti Islam websites.
I have, for a start I read the Zulfraqani article on ffi.com. I thought it was pretty good.
Tell me where I can find the scholars. Maybe you’re right, maybe I just want to believe Islam is not true because I want to do, drinking, drugs fornication, adulatory etc… Maybe I should get off my lazy ass and really do something with my life. Rather then crying out some verses and hadeeth I don’t understand.
Yeah the Shaytan is not my friend. Lol, but I really need an explanation how the shaytan can go into my nose, because that is abit funny. Maybe I’ve gone mental or something.
So I should marry a 9 year old girl? Come on yaar you think I am getting funny with you here? This is exactly what the holy prophet Mohamed did. It reminds me of when Christians say we should be like Jesus, and then they says Jesus was a god, how the hell is a humanoid supposed to be a god? And plus in my respective country if I did marry a 9 year old girl I’d be locked up for paedophilia. I really have good intentions, but the prophet did some odd and questionable things.
He had wife’s some which he conquered and taken in war. Like Saffiya. She was about 20 or something. How is that not desire?
I am willing to accept the truth, but the truth wants a part of me to reject Islam. Maybe I am wrong, but how can I be wrong when it’s the truth that the Prophet Mohammed married a 9 year old girl?
Lol, I read the hadith this is the life story of Prophet Mohammed, what am I supposed to read, shall I pretend the prophet didn’t do this stuff? I don’t get what you’re trying to say.
Ali Sina, has debated with many Muslim “scholars” – but I think he is about of a coward he has to hide behind his monitor I have more respect for Ayaan Hirsi.
There are also counter refutations.
Can you not find me the links? I mean where am I supposed to find these books give me links etc.
I do want to expand my reading. Sometimes I get caught up in things and lose concentration majority of the time. I think too much about girls. And I think I should be out partying rather then reading stuff.
I knew about them websites since about 1 – 2 years ago. I have read the articles. But they do no have a any forums, like faithfreeom does. I even emailed one of them websites and offered them to setup a forum so we can refute them. But no one emailed me back.
How many Muslims are on this forum? If I posted something good about Mohammed on ffi.org 100s of users would rip it all apart in seconds. Are Muslims dumb or something? In all honesty on ffi.org I met kafirs who know more about Islam then Muslims. Hell even ex Muslim women knew more then me. And one of them said to me “and I am supposed to believe I am dumber then you in intellect” – hell yeah she had a point she was schooling me all over the forum.
Yeah you have a point, but still. Why can I find explanations also? Why in the hadith is just a story and we are told not to interpret it ourselves? Why isn’t there an explanation to the hadith? Come on surely some Islamic scholar has interpreted it already. So maybe you might have links? To already interpreted hadiths?
That’s probably true to a certain degree.
Very true.
Amin.
Understand what you know.
Wsalaam.
Wow such a wise man, the first thing you did was insult me.
But still that does not answer my questions; do you just want me to blindly accept Islam? - talk about the blind leading the blind.
How am I not supposed to, do you want me to close my mind and say ok fine lets just believe in Islam out the fear of hell? This is called manipulation; you’re trying to scare me with the Islamic hell. Maybe I do live in an illusions I don’t really know. What I truthfully know is why am I being mislead if I am being mislead it’s not my intentions to doubt Allah.
Why is Allah threatening those who maybe confused or not understanding with hell? Why would Allah do that doesn’t make any sense? Humans are not prefect; maybe I am mislead however that is not my fault that is someone else’s fault. I can’t understand why Allah would punish someone for it. When Allah says he is merciful if Allah is merciful then why punishes me if I don’t murder, lie or thief or rape? Doesn’t that nullify the merciful aspect of Allah? If I am wrong then I want guidance from Allah I have asked for it.
Yeah I wonder about that to, why is Allah making me “deaf, dumb and blind” and then he is going to punish me for it that is not good.
Understand what you know.
problem is raj, your way of 'learning' is very rude and arrogant.
ADMIN....i thawt you cant insult the Prophet (Saw), as per Rules and Regulations.......i find a lot of things he said extreely insluting
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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Aslamalikum,
If you feel I insulted you then I apologise. You see Raj, tell me what you dont understand. The truth is evident in the world to those that seek it. I dont want you to blindly accept Islam. I want you to understand, and upon understanding if you still turn around and argue that 'you dont understand then your a fool'.
You see Raj let me talk to you in a manner that I would talk to a 'person that is fully understanding but still refuses to believe'. With you Raj this isnt about Islam, you perfectly well understand that it would be easier to accept Islam rather than go against it. Many people learn that even accepting Islam their lives are better off and sometimes never changee greatly.
Raj, I am not judging you I dont need to, you have done that perfectly well yourself. Allah swt does threaten the believers and the non-believers in doing the right thing. Even the Government threatens its public in doing the right thing, you need to revise your understanding as your accepting the man made law, over divine doctrine.
You dont commit any wrong thats superb, Allah swt is the Most Merciful, He swt knows better, but you have to understand that Allah swt knows what everyone is going to do, He swt has given us free will to do it. He swt can change and alter anyones faith if He swt wishes. Allah swt knows better - He swt will judge you - But a piece of advice do not go around questioning Islam, embrace Islam to what it is - only then in my eyes, a human's eyes, the imperfect - I will see you as a marshallah a good person who does what he has been comanded to do - worship the Almighty and not to question His swt authority.
Like everything you buy you get instructions to how to use it, the instructions to Life is the Qu'ran Raj, you may believe it or you may not that is your concern and only you will be asked as to why you chose a specific path when you had a alternative.
If I may state, so many people have tried to explain to you what the truth is, where to look, what to read, where to go - basically the hows, knows and whats. I have read your arguments and to be honest your words did not change my desire to please my Lord, I just dont understand why a person of your intellect and intelligence is questioning something that is the ultimate knowledge and power!!!
To answer your final point - Allah swt punishes those that He swt first warns first. 'Allah is aware of what you do (Surat al-Munafiqun 10-11)' Dont doubt Raj, just think from a philosophical, religious and scientific arena - your clever, I give you that - But I remind you: 'Am I to desire someone other than Allah it is He Who has sent down the Book to you clarifying everything? Those We have given the book know it has been sent down from your Lord with truth, so on no account be amongst the doubters' (Surat al-An'am 114) and also: 'In this way We have sent down clear signs. Allah guides any He wills' (Surat al-Hajj 16)
Dont pretend you dont grasp the verses of the Qu'ran are explicit and easy to practise. You do what you need to if you become a Muslim that favours you eternally provided you do what Allah swt has asked. If you dont, that is your biggest loss in your life.
May Allah swt guide you to the straight path ameen.
“So remind them! You are only a reminder. You are not in control of them” (Qu’ran 8821-22)
I am not a messenger of the people, I am not a keeper of the people, I am a reminder.
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