why would we question the word of Allah when we no its the only truth? :?

well, i ask questions, so could you tell me the answer to it, please.

"Raj" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

Islam tells you not to question things, and just "hear and obey" this is something called blind faith. Muslims should spend some time reading, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Archytas, Democritus, Parmenides and Pythagoras.

no, islam has logic.

your sources make you think in such ways, which is why i said...if you ACTUALLY want to learn about islam with an open un-biased mind....you would consult an alim. but you dont want to, you would rather waste time.

and those greek dudes....believed in all sorts, and many myths.

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H002

you seriosuly need some sort of guidence a sheikh maybe, pop along to al-hidaaya camp, it may knck some sense into you and maybe qiblah could do a dua for you

"Raj" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

well, i ask questions, so could you tell me the answer to it, please.

What is the question - please tell me your age so I can answer you question appropriately, in terms you will understand.

my age is 13 and my question was:

"Raj" wrote:

"judda" wrote:

did you know that 100s of Brits leave islam every year? :shock:

Well that is there decision.

I know. :roll:

"Raj" wrote:

Islam tells you not to question things, and just "hear and obey" this is something called blind faith.

really?

ever read the quran?

Verse 17:36

Yusuf Ali transaltion
And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).

Pickthal transaltion
(O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.

Shakir translation
And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.

Sher Ali translation
And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart - all these shall be called to account.

Judda transaltion :twisted:
Thou shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.

sorry you already answered it, but i missed it

"Raj" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

Islam tells you not to question things, and just "hear and obey" this is something called blind faith. Muslims should spend some time reading, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Archytas, Democritus, Parmenides and Pythagoras.

no, islam has logic.

your sources make you think in such ways, which is why i said...if you ACTUALLY want to learn about islam with an open un-biased mind....you would consult an alim. but you dont want to, you would rather waste time.

and those greek dudes....believed in all sorts, and many myths.

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H002

you seriosuly need some sort of guidence a sheikh maybe, pop along to al-hidaaya camp, it may knck some sense into you and maybe qiblah could do a dua for you

I think I would end up educating the sheikh's there.

ur sounding like Great 100 now!

"Raj" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

Islam tells you not to question things, and just "hear and obey" this is something called blind faith. Muslims should spend some time reading, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Archytas, Democritus, Parmenides and Pythagoras.

no, islam has logic.

your sources make you think in such ways, which is why i said...if you ACTUALLY want to learn about islam with an open un-biased mind....you would consult an alim. but you dont want to, you would rather waste time.

and those greek dudes....believed in all sorts, and many myths.

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H002

you seriosuly need some sort of guidence a sheikh maybe, pop along to al-hidaaya camp, it may knck some sense into you and maybe qiblah could do a dua for you

I think I would end up educating the sheikh's there.

i dout that very much, more like the other way round

have you ever been to see a sheikh, Raj?

"Raj" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

Islam tells you not to question things, and just "hear and obey" this is something called blind faith. Muslims should spend some time reading, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Archytas, Democritus, Parmenides and Pythagoras.

no, islam has logic.

your sources make you think in such ways, which is why i said...if you ACTUALLY want to learn about islam with an open un-biased mind....you would consult an alim. but you dont want to, you would rather waste time.

and those greek dudes....believed in all sorts, and many myths.

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H002

you seriosuly need some sort of guidence a sheikh maybe, pop along to al-hidaaya camp, it may knck some sense into you and maybe qiblah could do a dua for you

I think I would end up educating the sheikh's there.

i dout that very much, more like the other way round

What is your age?

none of your business

"Raj" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

have you ever been to see a sheikh, Raj?

No, not really.

i strongly advise you to go and see one

"judda" wrote:

did you know that 100s of Brits leave islam every year? :shock:

Far less than the people who convert to Islam every year.

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

have you ever been to see a sheikh, Raj?

No, not really.

i strongly advise you to go and see one

yeah, same, looks like you need to be enlightened about Islam- more than you think you are, anyway

"Raj" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

have you ever been to see a sheikh, Raj?

No, not really.

i strongly advise you to go and see one

Where am I going to find one?

As i said come along to the Al-hidaaya camp and you will meet many there, buk yourself a place http://www.al-hidayah.co.uk/

mosque?

"Raj" wrote:

"nAS786" wrote:

In view of Rajs comment , I believe a person should be well-versed in a subject before trying to pass judgements and render conclusions
Raj are you an Islamic scholor , do you have some kind of religious degree?

Those verses are speaking of is not the 'globe' but the ground underneath our feet; if God meant the earth was flat, then there would be no miracle or sign for us humans because a flat earth (globe) would necessarily imply a flat surface, however, a spherical earth shaped like a ball with a surface fit for our travel and walking through the right proportions is a miracle that only God can accomplish for our daily use.

THE SPHERICAL SHAPE OF THE EARTH
In early times, people believed that the earth is flat. For centuries, men were afraid to venture out too far, lest they should fall off the edge. Sir Francis Drake was the first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597. Consider the following Quranic verse regarding the alternation of day and night: "Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day And He merges Day into Night?" [Al-Quran 31:29]
Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night.
The following verse also alludes to the spherical shape of the earth: "He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions): He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night." [Al-Quran 39:5]
The Arabic word used here is Kawwara meaning ‘to overlap’ or ‘to coil’– the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the earth is spherical.
The earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical i.e. it is flattened at the poles. The following verse contains a description of the earth’s shape:
"And the earth, moreover, Hath He made egg shaped." [Al-Quran 79:30] [The Arabic word dahaha has been translated by A. Yusuf Ali as "vast expanse", which also is correct. The word dahaha also means an ostrich-egg.]
The Arabic word for egg here is dahaha, which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth. Thus the Quran correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Quran was revealed was that the earth is flat.

In 39:5, Allah says,
"…He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night…" 39:5
The key word in 39:5 is “yukawwiru”. The primary signification of the root of the word “yukawwiru” is “to wind a thing in a round form”, like e.g. a turban is wound round a head. This verse 39:5, again gives the idea of the earth being roundish and not FLAT.
In 79:30, Allah says,
[Transliteration] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha [79:30]
The key word in the above verse is “dahaha”. In Arabic, there is a phrase, “iza dahaha” which means “when he throws the stones over the ground to the hole”. The hole is called “Udhiyatun”. “Almadahi” signify round stones according to the size of which a hole is dug in the ground in which the stones are thrown in a game. “Almadahi” also signify a round thing made of lead by the throwing of which persons contend together. So there is a signification of ROUNDNESS in the root of the word “dahaha”. According to some etymologists, the word for the “egg of an ostrich” also has the same root as “dahaha”. They also take from this that the earth is of the shape of the egg of an ostrich. Latest science findings confirm that the earth is not exactly spherical but the earth is an ellipsoid, i.e. flattened by its poles,[ just like the shape of an egg of an ostrich].
The Arabic words for “flat” or “level” or “straight shaped” are “sawi” and “almustavi”. There is not a single place in Quran where there is any indication of the earth being “flat” or “straight shaped”. The word “faraash” in 2:22, 51:48; the word “wasia” in 4:97, 29:56, 30:10; the word “mahd” in 20:53, 43:10, 78:6; the word “basaat” in 71:19; the word “suttihat” in 88:20; and the word “tahaaha” in 91:6, all may mean, “to spread”, “to expand” or “to extend” with slight differences in their connotations but none signify the earth being straight-shaped or flat
today we can look at a globe and know that the earth is somewhat like a ball, a sphere. the qur'an makes certain statements that led muslim scientists to understand long before their european counterparts that the earth is spherical. when europe was in the dark ages thinking that the earth was flat, muslim students were using globes for studying the earth in islamic universities.
since it was not the purpose of the qur'an to teach science, the qur'an did not need to state explicitly that the earth is spherical in shape (or more precisely, a geoid). but some of what the qur'an says stimulates you to think of the world as a globe. take, for example, the following verse: "have you not seen how god merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?" (qur'an 31:29).
another verse tells us that god coils the day and night around: "he coils the night upon the day and he coils the day upon the night" (qur'an 39:5).
the word 'coils' in the verse above is a translation of the arabic verb kawwara which is used in describing the action of coiling a turban around the head. to understand this statement fully, readers of the qur'an had to think of the earth as a sphere.
to fully appreciate the above two statements in the qur'an, try this experiment at home: you need a flashlight and a globe. take these items into a dark room. using the flashlight to simulate the light of the sun, shine the light upon the globe. notice that only one half of the globe is lighted up. the other half is in darkness. half the world is having day, the other half is having night. now, recall that the earth is continuously rotating on its axis and will go around completely in twenty four hours. slowly turn the globe around to simulate this rotation. notice that as the globe turns, the day is going around the globe to light up the other half of the world. the night is also going around the globe to give rest to the other half of the world.
the day and night are perpetually coiling around the earth with some degree of interpenetration. this is exactly how it appears to astronauts during their space flights.

I will get back to you later. I will look into this a little more.

you do that bro, look very hard, look deeper than a few dodgy islam hating websites, read books, speak to scholors, imams and sheikhs

"Raj" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

"Raj" wrote:

Jahannam hell tts roots come from the Hebrew word [b]Gehinnom[/b], which is a valley south of Jerusalem that was used as a garbage dump by the Israelites. In the pre-Israelite times the Canaanites worshipped the god Moloch and performed child sacrifices in the valley, burning them in an offering to the deity. Consequently the valley long had an association with burning fires and distateful things. The name Gehinnom is derived from the Hebrew Gai Ben Hinnom meaning the valley owned by Ben Hinnom.

Here is Allahs hell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

huh? what's that got to do with islam and Allah?

Seeing how the arabic word Jahannam is similar to Gehenna or Gai-Ben-Hinnom, the Islamic hell is obviously made up, taken from the Christian
hell, which is misrepresented by Gehenna.

, ok jus because something in islam is similar to a jewish word , it means that its made up :? ,

that point does not prove nothing , your point about the quran stating the world is flat is wrong and also proves nothing

and if those two point are the only reason that make you wanna stop being muslim , then you are a idiot

any further references you wanna make about the quran remember the Quran has revealed in Arabic dialect and in order to understand its message one must know the language with its grammatical influence. so to avoid making yourself look stupid again i consider you remember that.

I welcome this , thanks, make me doubt my religion some more please, cuz the more i question islam the more answers i get and the more my faith is increased,

what else you got :?:

First off all Many Islamic porinciples did exist before Islam. That is because Allah (swt) sent the true message to people before ther Arrival of the Prophet Muhammad aswell.

Regarding your scientific questions, its easy to take things out of context.

But remember Imam Ghazzali (iirc... may have been another scholar...) Explained the motions in universe through an Aayah 'Qullun Fe Fallak Yasbahoon' (off the top of my head so there may be errors in the transliteration). 'Everything in the universe moves(floats is a better translation I think, or rotates... I am not a scholar)'.

Secondly Muslim scientists were calculating the curvature of the earth by the 8th century CE. Besides there are references to the earth being egg-shaped.

Now the earth is also flat. How? well look under you. its laid out. But step back a bit, and its curved... many levels of intellect. I know some people from the Asian subcontinent denied this, but lets just say knowledge is not universal. Go back to the source.

You can have a quick gander at our [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/?cat=27]Islam and Science[/url] page aswell for a brief look at a few small subjects.

Any questions, just ask.

PS remember that there have been questions being asked for centuries, and answers given for centuries aswell. DO not fall into the trap of thinking you know everything.

"*DUST*" wrote:

Admin, is the old revival forum still available (proboard)?

because i remember aaaages ago, a member called natasha (i think) had posted up the same hadith which Raj posted, and alhumdulillah we had a member at the time who was an 'Aalimah from Australia. she gave a really detailed commentary on the hadith, which covered two entire pages (of the thread!) and not so surprisingly, natasha didn't reply. i doubt we'll find it, but it would've been a really useful read for Raj. - some advice bro: [i]study[/i] ahadeeth with qualified scholars, don't just read them and then think you know everything on the subject - any fool could do that.

and Med: you used to refuse to comment on/give an explanation of quraanic aayaat and ahadeeth because you said you do not have the authority to do so - what happened about that?

http://therevival.proboards18.com/

(I think you posted in the wrong topic there dust, so just quoting your post here...)

"Admin" wrote:

http://therevival.proboards18.com/

(I think you posted in the wrong topic there dust, so just quoting your post here...)

nope admin, i meant that post to be in that thread - i've quoted the hadith i was referring to now, hope that clarifies things.

thanks for the link.

"Raj" wrote:

Jahannam hell tts roots come from the Hebrew word [b]Gehinnom[/b], which is a valley south of Jerusalem that was used as a garbage dump by the Israelites. In the pre-Israelite times the Canaanites worshipped the god Moloch and performed child sacrifices in the valley, burning them in an offering to the deity. Consequently the valley long had an association with burning fires and distateful things. The name Gehinnom is derived from the Hebrew Gai Ben Hinnom meaning the valley owned by Ben Hinnom.

Here is Allahs hell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

Arabic is the sister language of Hebrew

http://www.mideastweb.org/arabic_hebrew_eng.htm
Many more examples of worlds which are related:

You haven’t provided absolutely proof were the word Jahannam derived from, however it’s irrelevant in my opinion because doesn’t change what Jahannam is, and I don’t want to spend a second burning in the hell fires.

"Muslim Bro" wrote:

"judda" wrote:

did you know that 100s of Brits leave islam every year? :shock:

Far less than the people who convert to Islam every year.

not true I found out from a tv presenter that the actual number is 2000 TEENAGERS (alone) that leave islam [u]every year[/u]. The actual figure is MUCH higher many will not admit it due to the fact they could be killed.