"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

plus i've been taking a lot of flack recently for what i say, and the bandwagons i roll in

chill. just take stuff in one ear and out the next.

some ppl can ignore crap-such ppl shud give themselves a pat on the back

i cant. and i know u cant either.

lol

having said that, i was reading some of my Nahj Us Salama notes ,and came upon a hadith about wasting time in petty debates and of the like.

read that the same day as my last punch up with janaab med, im tryna be nice now. how am i doing

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Sirus" wrote:

"Med" wrote:

Winning an arguement is not proof of correct intellect - infact Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam had the best intellect. He did tableegh in Makkah Mukarramah - Abu Jahl, Utba, Shayba and the others did not be won over by the tableegh. The refusal to accept truth infact is a sign of the deficient intellect.

Abu Jahl before Islaam was called Amr ibn Hisham - after having the proofs presented before him he rejected them and became the Father of Ignorance.

Its quite simple really.

so.....we are now, according to Mufti Med....jahils?

.

he's comparing us to the likes of Abu Jahl?

actually I'm not surprised :roll:

now... thats not nice

"Sirus" wrote:

read that the same day as my last punch up with janaab med, im tryna be nice now. how am i doing

LOL

very, very well. do keep it up

it obvious u learnt a lot.

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

Salaam

Below is an article I have written in the latest issue of The Revival Magazine. The articles is primarily aimed at non Muslims since the cartoon affair but also aimed at young Muslims. The responce so far has been good, alhamdulilah, but at the same time some people- not exactly youth- have found it insulting and state it is disrespectful.

Please do have a read and share your views.

wasalaam

[b]AN IDIOTS GUIDE TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD[/b]
[b]
“Mohammed is the guy Muslims worship innit?” [/b]
No. Muslims do not worship Muhammad (peace be upon him) or any other prophets. Muslims believe in all prophets including Adam, Noah, Abraham, David, Solomon, Moses and Jesus. Muslims believe that Muhammad(pbuh) was the last of the prophets. They believe that God alone is to be worshipped, not any human being.
[b]
“So then... who was he?”[/b]
In brief, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was born in Mecca in Arabia in the year 570 AD. His ancestry goes back to Prophet Ishmael, son of Prophet Abraham.. His father died before his birth and his mother died when he was six. He was raised first by a nurse as it was the custom in those days, and then by his grandfather and uncle.
As a young man, he was known as a righteous person who used to meditate in a cave. At the age of 40 he was given the first revelation, when the angel Gabriel appeared in the cave. Subsequently, the revelations came over 23 years and were eventually compiled in the form of a book called the Quran.
[b]
“Didn't Mohammed write the Quran?”[/b]
No. The Quran was revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) through the Angel Gabriel. It is the record of the exact words revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). The revelations were memorised by the Prophet (pbuh) and then dictated to his companions. The Quran has been preserved, unchanged, in its original form and confirms the truth in the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel. The Quran is also proven scientifically because it contains hundreds of scientific facts and statements which have only been discovered in the last 100 years or so. This clearly proves that the Quran is work of NO man!

[b]“Why do Muslims always bang on about Mohammed?”[/b]
The prophet (pbuh) is the most important figure in the lives of Muslims. Muslims respect him and follow the example he left behind. The prophet (pbuh) is the person who brought to us the religion we follow. He taught us the purpose of life, how to live our lives, and how to treat ourselves and others. He is our role model and we follow his example, known as “Sunnah”, which is documented in books of “Hadith”.

[b]“Sunnah? Hadith? Is that the latest fashion man or what, like Gucci and Armani?'”[/b]
No, it's not. 'Sunnah' is what the Prophet (pbuh) did, said or approved of. Hadith are recorded traditions relating to the sayings and doings of the Prophet(pbuh) which are available today in book form in almost every language.
[b]
“But what’s so special about him? What did he do that was so special?”[/b]
You see, the Prophet (pbuh) liberated the slaves and protected the weak. He gave equal rights to women and gave the world the concept of the equality of mankind. The Prophet (pbuh) was the first human in history to give universal suffrage (votes to every adult). He gave the first written constitution to mankind, consisting of 60 articles. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the first person in history to give rights to prisoners of wars (PoWs). These were revolutionary and historical actions, which gave rights to each person in every society for all time.
You know why he's so special? Coz he wasn’t only a teacher, preacher and propagator of moral values but he practised them in his own life as well. He provided us with moral values, moral behaviour, human values and etiquette which are practised world-wide to this day. He was a Prophet, a political leader, a military leader, a judge, a religious and spiritual leader, a teacher and a perfect personality for all to follow.

[b]“Ain't the teachings of Mohammed out of date? Come on man, 1400 years is ancient!”[/b]
When you study his life you get practical guidance and an ideal role model on how to act as a husband, father, brother, neighbour, teacher, ruler, reformer, judge and as a human being... I would say very up to date! Anybody and everybody can get light from following the lifestyle of the holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
The Prophet (pbuh) gives clear teachings to resolve modern day problems such as racism, tribalism, sectarianism, hunger, homelessness, poverty, teenage pregnancies, single parent families, rape. child abuse, drugs and alcohol abuse, world peace, environmental health and many more. So NO, the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are definitely relevant today and most certainly NOT out of date.
“Didn't Mohammed hate non Muslims?”
He acted with mercy and compassion even to those who came to attack him. Many attempts were made to kill the Prophet (pbuh). His followers and supporters were tortured and killed. He and his supporters had sanctions put on them and were boycotted by the rest of Mecca. He had animal excrement thrown on him whilst in prayer. He was stoned by children in Mecca and was badly injured. He went through many periods of bitter starvation. He had to leave his homeland and migrate to Medina to escape the persecutions in Mecca. The Prophet was called a madman and ridiculed. BUT HE NEVER INSULTED ANYONE. HE NEVER SHOWED HATE TOWARDS ANY OF HIS ENEMIES. HE SIMPLY FORGAVE THEM AND HE OFFERED THEM LOVE AND COMPASSION.

[b]“Didn't Mohammed hate Christians and Jews?”[/b]
Again, he taught the exact opposite. Islam tells us that Jews and Christians are "people of the Book". By the book it means those that also received divine scriptures. Muslims are told to treat them with respect and justice and not to fight with them. Let's look at the classic example from the life of the Prophet (pbuh):
Once a group of Christian priests were in Medina. They needed a place to stay so they went to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He said you can stay at my house. He cooked them dinner and made them welcome. Soon it was the time for the Christians to pray, the Prophet (pbuh) took them to the Mosque of the Prophet and said you can do your worship here.
[b]
“Didn't Mohammed teach violence and terrorism?”[/b]
Now that's a joke. He taught the absolute opposite of this. Just listen to some of his teachings:
"The faithful is he in whom people place their confidence about their property and life'. (Tirmizi)
"A perfect Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands mankind is safe.'
'It is unworthy of a Muslim to injure people's reputations: and it is unworthy to curse any one: and it is unworthy to abuse any one: and it is unworthy of a Muslim to talk arrogantly.'
Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Muslim commit violence.'
The Prophet Muhammad was asked; 'what actions are most excellent in Islam?' He replied: 'To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.'
Some people asked Allah's messenger : 'who is a very good Muslim?' He replied: ' one who avoids harming the people with his tongue and hands.' 'A believer remains within the scope of his religion as long as he doesn't kill another person illegally.'
Now does that sound like a man of violence and terrorism or a great man of peace? Terrorism goes against every principle in Islam. If a Muslim engages in terrorism he is not following Islam and is contradicting the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). They may be using the name of Islam for political or financial gain.
[b]
“I ain't heard no big non-Muslim 'big up' Mohammed?”[/b]
[b]Michael H Hart.[/b]
'The 100: A Ranking of the most influential Persons in History'. New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc. 1978: 'My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.'

[b]Lamartine[/b]
A French historian writes in his book, History of Turkey, p. 276:
'…Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he'?

[b]Mahatma Ghandi[/b]
When I closed the second volume (of the Prophets biography) I was sorry that there was not more for me to read of a great life.'
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity."
[b]
“If Mohammed was really a top Prophet and that... then why don't Christians, Jews and others mention him in their books?”[/b]
Well.... actually they do. The Prophet (pbuh) is mentioned in Hindu scriptures, Buddhist scriptures, Torah and the Bible.(See The Revival website for further details)
[b]
“Did Prophet Mohammed perform miracles like Prophet Jesus did?”[/b]
Yes he did. He performed hundreds of miracles which was one of the proofs that he was a true Prophet of God. (See The Revival website for further details)
[b]
“Why did Muslims make a big deal of some stupid cartoons?”[/b]
Muslims see the Prophet (pbuh) as a role model and follow his every teaching. The cartoons insulted the prophet and portrayed him as a terrorist. So obviously Muslims were upset and angry. But it should be crystal clear that those Muslims who protested with violence, shooting, killing, hijacking and threatening to kill others have totally contradicted the exact teachings of the prophet they were protesting for.

nice article (keep up the good work bro!)

however i don't like the title "AN IDIOTS GUIDE TO THE PROPHET (PBUH)", i find it somewhat ostentatios :?

even tho it seems possible, you cant be an idiot if you use words such as...ostentatios

NE-WAY

back to the topic

i heard of another girl who found this article disrespectful

she goes "its disrespectful to the reader-its not very nice to call ppl idiots"

"Sirus" wrote:

even tho it seems possible, you cant be an idiot if you use words such as...ostentatios

i'm not an idiot lol

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

NE-WAY

back to the topic

i heard of another girl who found this article disrespectful

she goes "its disrespectful to the reader-its not very nice to call ppl idiots"

Some people have no sense of humour

I always got the idea that the author is the one called an idiot...

Admin, is the old revival forum still available (proboard)?

because i remember aaaages ago, a member called natasha (i think) had posted up the same hadith which Raj posted, and alhumdulillah we had a member at the time who was an 'Aalimah from Australia. she gave a really detailed commentary on the hadith, which covered two entire pages (of the thread!) and not so surprisingly, natasha didn't reply. i doubt we'll find it, but it would've been a really useful read for Raj. - some advice bro: [i]study[/i] ahadeeth with qualified scholars, don't just read them and then think you know everything on the subject - any fool could do that.

and Med: you used to refuse to comment on/give an explanation of quraanic aayaat and ahadeeth because you said you do not have the authority to do so - what happened about that?

[b]edit:[/b] no admin, i was referring to a post on this thread, previous page:

"Raj" wrote:

Sorry please tell me how I am misquoting the hadeeth. Please prove this to me before you say these things.

[b]Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: [/b]

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "[b]Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence.[/b] Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/006.sbt.html

Now this is one of the most authentic hadeeth and you can say I am misquoting its pretty clear.

So, if you think women is not "deficient in intellect" then you're disagreeing with the holy prophet Mohamed.

LilSis, Sirus - You seem intent to misinterpret me. I did not call you or any1 else here jahil nor did I compare you to Abu Jahl.

My post was citing an example - viz the assumption that correct arguement/soundness of faith etc does not necessarily mean others will accept it.

Your constant acts of misinterpreting me and accusing me of accusing you (specifically) of things is incorrect. I have tried my best not to do takhsees of any1 because this is the way of the Ulama - they mention principles which are wrong and say those who believe in these are murtad or mushrik or kafir or bid'atee etc. (and b4 any1 attempts to misinterpret my above post - NO im not an alim nor do I claim it but I am saying I am attempting to follow in the methodology of the ulama)

"Med" wrote:

this is the way of the Ulama - they mention principles which are wrong and say those who believe in these are murtad or mushrik or kafir or bid'atee etc.

the 'Ulama can make such judgements [i]because[/i] of the fact that they have studied so many years and are qualified to make those judgements. what authority do you have to call people mushrik or kafir or whatever else? fyi you are not following the methodology of the 'ulama because they are extremely careful when applying such 'labels' to people, calling someone a mushrik or kaafir is no light matter yet you seem to fling these terms around so easily - that is not the methodology of the 'ulama.

Who have I laballed a kafir or a mushrik?

If your on about the Rawaafidh then the answer to that is that the ulama of all ages are upon that fatwa.

If your on about Raj - he openly declared kufr.

And if you think I've made takhsees of any1 else then your welcome to your opinion.

Tbh - the more I spend time here the more inclined I am to the Salafi Minhaj - Im beginning to understand more and more why they are the way they are. mashaALLAH.

"Med" wrote:

Who have I laballed a kafir or a mushrik?

i am not talking about this specific thread, but rather your entire time on this forum. i don't recall anyone else using the word 'kaafir' as many times as you.

"Med" wrote:

If your on about the Rawaafidh then the answer to that is that the ulama of all ages are upon that fatwa.

we've had this discussion before, and i'm fairly sure i showed you this link that time too: http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-13520232

Quote:

Those who do not hold beliefs that constitute Kufr, such as believing that Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) was the rightful first Caliph after the demise of the Messenger of Allah, belief in the twelve Imams, etc…

Such Shi’as cannot be termed as out of the fold of Islam, rather they are considered to be severely deviated and transgressors (fisq).

Imam Ibn Abidin states:

“It is difficult to make a general statement and judge all the Shi’as to be non-believers, for the scholars have agreed on the deviation and defection of the deviated sects.” (ibid)

"Med" wrote:

Tbh - the more I spend time here the more inclined I am to the Salafi Minhaj - Im beginning to understand more and more why they are the way they are. mashaALLAH.

please expand on this...

I remember that link - but with ALL due respect to Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah he has been influenced by certain scholars unfortunately.

At the same time everything he said in that article I agree with save the indication that there are Rawaafidh who dont hold the kufriya and shirkiya beliefs. Their kufr isnt on the basis of who they think should have been the successor - its deeper and more fundamental than that but this isnt the place and tbh its already been discussed.

Expand on that?

The salafi brothers hate - absolutely hate - the barelwiyyah. I wasnt that way so much before - partly because I grew up in that type of culture but something agitates me a lot. I dont really mind so much personal insults or mockery or sarcasm - because thats not important. But this attraction to shirk and bid'aat that exists among people really does grind on me.

Tawheed is what my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam came for. It was for tawheed that Banu Hashim spent months and months under social boycott outside Makkah, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam was stoned by the streeturchins of Taif, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam left the city of His Birth and the Ka'batullah and emigrated to Madinah Munawwarah.

To see people who claim to be followers of the Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam attributing qualities that are exclusively belonging to ALLAH to the Holy Nabi salallhu alayhi wa sallam is the biggest insult to the sacrifice of Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam. And its not even the majorities fault - its the fault of their priests who have done such a thing that really I cant get over it.

The salafiyyah have no time for the barelwiyyah and I can understand why:

to put it bluntly - Shaykh Abdul Azeez from Riyadh said to me when I told him what the barelwiyyah swear at us said :

Barewli? i have heaarrd of them. Barelwi - Kaafir Kaafir.

Im beginning to understand.

"Med" wrote:

I remember that link - but with ALL due respect to Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah he has been influenced by certain scholars unfortunately.

you have outdone yourself Med. who do you think you are? he's a mufti - not an 'aalim, not a shaykh, but a mufti - he has studied to the extent that he can give fatawaa and you have the audacity to say he's been 'influenced'?! as an extension of that, Imam Ibn Abidin must also have been 'influenced' then? whatever Med. i don't even know why i bother.
you claim to respect the 'ulama and i truly believed you did - till today. you have your own opinions stuck in your mind, and anyone who disagrees with you, regardless of their knowledge, has been 'influenced' in an 'unfortunate' way.
May Allah guide you and me and all of us to what is right. Ameen.

"Med" wrote:

The salafi brothers hate - absolutely hate - the barelwiyyah.

that is a convenient generalisation - i'm sure you'd like to believe that and i'm sorry to shatter your dream but i know salafis who respectfully disagree with barelwis, and treat them as brothers/sisters in Islam. Considering how much the Prophet (s.a.w) sacrificed for this Ummah and its unity, your hatred for your muslim brothers is very sad.

"Med" wrote:

Who have I laballed a kafir or a mushrik?

If your on about the Rawaafidh then the answer to that is that the ulama of all ages are upon that fatwa.

[size=24][b]If your on about Raj - he openly declared kufr.[/b][/size]

And if you think I've made takhsees of any1 else then your welcome to your opinion.

Tbh - the more I spend time here the more inclined I am to the Salafi Minhaj - Im beginning to understand more and more why they are the way they are. mashaALLAH.

Please tell me where I declared I was a kafir!!!

"Med" wrote:

If your on about Raj - he openly declared kufr.

You should be careful on who you write a kaafir. Calling someone a kafir who is not is a huge sin.

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"Med" wrote:

I remember that link - but with ALL due respect to Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah he has been influenced by certain scholars unfortunately.

At the same time everything he said in that article I agree with save the indication that there are Rawaafidh who dont hold the kufriya and shirkiya beliefs. Their kufr isnt on the basis of who they think should have been the successor - its deeper and more fundamental than that but this isnt the place and tbh its already been discussed.

Expand on that?

The salafi brothers hate - absolutely hate - the barelwiyyah. I wasnt that way so much before - partly because I grew up in that type of culture but something agitates me a lot. I dont really mind so much personal insults or mockery or sarcasm - because thats not important. But this attraction to shirk and bid'aat that exists among people really does grind on me.

Tawheed is what my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam came for. It was for tawheed that Banu Hashim spent months and months under social boycott outside Makkah, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam was stoned by the streeturchins of Taif, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam left the city of His Birth and the Ka'batullah and emigrated to Madinah Munawwarah.

To see people who claim to be followers of the Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam attributing qualities that are exclusively belonging to ALLAH to the Holy Nabi salallhu alayhi wa sallam is the biggest insult to the sacrifice of Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam. And its not even the majorities fault - its the fault of their priests who have done such a thing that really I cant get over it.

The salafiyyah have no time for the barelwiyyah and I can understand why:

to put it bluntly - Shaykh Abdul Azeez from Riyadh said to me when I told him what the barelwiyyah swear at us said :

Barewli? i have heaarrd of them. Barelwi - Kaafir Kaafir.

Im beginning to understand.

ummmm.....

so med says: oh im not sectarian, i dont create fitna.... yet at every opportunity hes always condemning certain muslims as kafir....
the hatred he has for muslims is sick....
i know he is deobandi but come on.... its always calling muslims kafir, bidah, shirk.... and in the above post he has gone toooo far... is that all they teach him?

admin...do the sensible thing and ban him for life... we dont have time for Mr Fitna here.... he can keep his version and sect of islam to himself...dont pollute us pls.

enough is enough....

wow med, are you a deobani? so am i!

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"Med" wrote:

I remember that link - but with ALL due respect to Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah he has been influenced by certain scholars unfortunately.

At the same time everything he said in that article I agree with save the indication that there are Rawaafidh who dont hold the kufriya and shirkiya beliefs. Their kufr isnt on the basis of who they think should have been the successor - its deeper and more fundamental than that but this isnt the place and tbh its already been discussed.

Expand on that?

The salafi brothers hate - absolutely hate - the barelwiyyah. I wasnt that way so much before - partly because I grew up in that type of culture but something agitates me a lot. I dont really mind so much personal insults or mockery or sarcasm - because thats not important. But this attraction to shirk and bid'aat that exists among people really does grind on me.

Tawheed is what my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam came for. It was for tawheed that Banu Hashim spent months and months under social boycott outside Makkah, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam was stoned by the streeturchins of Taif, it was for tawheed that my Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam left the city of His Birth and the Ka'batullah and emigrated to Madinah Munawwarah.

To see people who claim to be followers of the Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam attributing qualities that are exclusively belonging to ALLAH to the Holy Nabi salallhu alayhi wa sallam is the biggest insult to the sacrifice of Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam. And its not even the majorities fault - its the fault of their priests who have done such a thing that really I cant get over it.

The salafiyyah have no time for the barelwiyyah and I can understand why:

to put it bluntly - Shaykh Abdul Azeez from Riyadh said to me when I told him what the barelwiyyah swear at us said :

Barewli? i have heaarrd of them. Barelwi - Kaafir Kaafir.

Im beginning to understand.

ummmm.....

so med says: oh im not sectarian, i dont create fitna.... yet at every opportunity hes always condemning certain muslims as kafir....
the hatred he has for muslims is sick....
i know he is deobandi but come on.... its always calling muslims kafir, bidah, shirk.... and in the above post he has gone toooo far... is that all they teach him?

admin...do the sensible thing and ban him for life... we dont have time for Mr Fitna here.... he can keep his version and sect of islam to himself...dont pollute us pls.

enough is enough....

wow med, are you a deobani? so am i!

nothing wrong with deobandis, most are cool...but this one is a disgrace... i have cool deobandi friends.... this one is an embarrasment.... full of nothing but hatred for muslims he disagreees with.

doesn't sound like he hates muslims he disagrees with, but i'll take your word for it

"zara" wrote:

doesn't sound like he hates muslims he disagrees with, but i'll take your word for it

Of course he loves the muslims he disagrees with, coz accordin to him the beliefs he holds are true and anyone who is diff ie brelwi etc are kafir, wow i can see the love there! :roll:

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

[b]i know he is deobandi[/b] but come on.... its always calling muslims kafir, bidah, shirk.... and in the above post he has gone toooo far... is that all they teach him?

maybe even that^ is disputable - Mufti Muhammad is deobandi yet Med thinks he's 'influenced' because his views aren't what Med wanted to hear. :roll:

"Angel" wrote:

"zara" wrote:

doesn't sound like he hates muslims he disagrees with, but i'll take your word for it

Of course he loves the muslims he disagrees with, coz accordin to him the beliefs he holds are true and anyone who is diff ie brelwi etc are kafir, wow i can see the love there! :roll:

hmmmmm... so according to him i'm a kaafir :?

nice...

Ed - My beliefs are strictly with the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah.

Dust - Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah isnt the mufti I follow so disagreeing with him isnt a major issue. it should be known that in my presence two students of Mufti Taqi Uthmani Sahibs were present - Mufti Ibn Adam and Mufti Zubayr Bay'at Sahib. Someone asked a question regarding ladies cutting their hair - both gave different answers - Mufti Zubayr gave it according to Mufti Taqi Sahib's fatwa - Mufti Ibn Adam gave it according to some other criterio. He went against his own ustaad - is that necessarily be-adabi? No.

Mufti Taqi Uthmani Sahib is my dada-Ustaad yet the Mufti's I follow differ in some rulings from Hadrat Uthmani Sahib. That doesnt mean Im disrespecting Hadrat any less.

"Med" wrote:

Dust - Mufti Ibn Adam hafizahullah isnt the mufti I follow so disagreeing with him isnt a major issue. it should be known that in my presence two students of Mufti Taqi Uthmani Sahibs were present - Mufti Ibn Adam and Mufti Zubayr Bay'at Sahib. Someone asked a question regarding ladies cutting their hair - both gave different answers - Mufti Zubayr gave it according to Mufti Taqi Sahib's fatwa - Mufti Ibn Adam gave it according to some other criterio. He went against his own ustaad - is that necessarily be-adabi? No.

Mufti Taqi Uthmani Sahib is my dada-Ustaad yet the Mufti's I follow differ in some rulings from Hadrat Uthmani Sahib. That doesnt mean Im disrespecting Hadrat any less.

don't give me that. differing is different to disrespecting, and suggesting in your usual self-righteous manner that a Mufti has been 'unfortunately influenced' is disrespectful.

how did Mufti Muhammad's opinion on the cutting of hair differ from Maulana Taqi's ruling btw?

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"Med" wrote:

Ed - My beliefs are strictly with the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah.

your views are NOT and never have been ahlus sunnah wa jamaah

people of ahlus sunnah wa jamaah dont accuse almost everyone who has different beliefs and views to them as bidatti, kafir, mushrik, munafiq, murtad etc....
you have used all the above accusations on these forums many many times....

you are a mixture of extremist deobandi/salafi....very sectarian, very rigid, very intolerant of other views, very narrow minded....and everything about you goes against the teachings of ahlus sunnah

your mentality, methodology, hatred of other muslims, fatwas of kufr, shirk and bidah TOTALLY contradiction the teachins of ahlus sunnah

you love arguing against ppl, accussing them of everything, create divisions, create fitna, have no respect for any scholar who is not from your sect, spread your hatred........... then you have the audacity of calling urself ahlus sunnah wa jamaah

thank god alot of deobandis and people of TJ i know and met are not like you

you are a disgrace to all deobandis, to everyone from TJ, to your scholars and to most muslims...

your behaviour, mentality, method, views totally contradicts the teachings of our beloved prophet(saw)

you need to sort urself out mate...cure that sectarianism, that narrow mindness, that rigidness, that fitna you like to spread, that hatred you have for most muslims.....

you are the ONLY person on this forum who makes my blood boil...

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sorry to interrupt Ed, but what's fitnah, bidah, murtad? and who is TJ?

Lets Thank god that 'Ed is not a judge. I know you hate him (and do not even try to deny it), but it would be better if you did not respond to him.

Fitnah: trials or temptations that test the unity of the Muslim community
Bid'ah: Innovation in religion.
Murtad: Apostate, someone who has left the fold of Islam
TJ: Tablighi Jamaat