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i listen to naats and qawali's mainly, so how im his fan is beyond me
and im no girl so i dont 'fancy' him :roll:
he treads the moderate path, holds extreme love for the Beloved Prophet (Saw), and goes about his music in a good way
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Thats nice to know. :? I didnt say you fancied him
Eh? What articles are these? Got any links?
I agree that Muslims should try more to help others rather than just concetrate and talk about the same issues again and again (i.e mainly Palestine and Iraq/Afghanistan) but not because of skin colour!
Maybe problems should be treated according to what how serious and dangerous the situation is for Muslims.
That would put places like Chechnya and couple others higher on the "agenda list" than say Palestine.
(Btw i havent really met anyone who is obsessed with white skin , its such an irrelevant issue)
[url=http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=6338]Yup[/url][url=http://www.b...
Who's to say it's not because of skin color? Many Muslim authors have noted that white and black Muslims are seen as "less muslim" by other Muslims, take the following example:
- [url=http://www.maniacmuslim.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t5605.html]Maniac Muslim Forums[/url]If this is the attitude of the mosques there is no reason to suspect that the larger worldwide Muslim community is any different - indeed that seems to be the thing you don't understand (from what you said below); racism isn't just "possibly" there, it [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=67557&sid=a9e0e7fb7fd... [/url] present in the ummah.
lol an irrelevant issue, Who are you kidding?
- [url=http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=9184&page=1]User Toro1 MPACUK Forum[/url]
[url=http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2004/12/04/racism_and_the_fractur... [url=http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/prejudice_and_racism_amongst_mu... a problem in the Islamic community.[/url] Here's a whole audio lecture on the topic:
[url=http://www.audioislam.com:8000/audio/identity/manners/racism_amongst_mus... 1[/url]
[url=http://www.audioislam.com:8000/audio/identity/manners/racism_amongst_mus... 2[/url]
We we're JUST discussing this on the [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=67557&sid=a9e0e7fb7fd... before you joined.
But racism doesn't concern me Muslims are perfectly capable of cleaning their own kitchens. To get back to my question - why are Muslims so obsessed with white converts?
ALLAH alone knows who loves who. I wonder at peoples audacity sometimes.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
I have no idea.
i was not conc=sciously aware of this issue.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Can you explain where the creepiness lies in that article. :? Im confused.
Yes its irrelevant since i dont think the Muslim obsession with white converts exists to the degree you suggest it.
Racism however is a different issue and it does exist but its more of a cultural thing.
I know many Pakistani guys who wouldnt be allowed to marry white or black Muslims coz its against there culture or summat :?
"Aisha's piercing blue eyes sparkle with evangelical zeal, she smiles with radiance only true believers possess. Her face is that of a strong Scots lass - no nonsense, good-humoured - but it is carefully covered with a hijab."
That's CLEAR objectification based on physical features, (and incredibly bad writing). This isn't just a convert to islam, this is an emphatically, stereotypically white convert to Islam - and that's offensive. It gets so comically bad the story really isn't about Islam, it's about the girls race.
Then prove it. The articles and discussions I provided five seconds ago very clearly indicate a preoccupation with white converts, people in this discussion even commented on the allure of white converts. You can't say "it's irrelevant" in the face of all that without something more substantial.
However you guys justify it, dismiss it or deal with it is up to you - I simply said it was there. But as I said before my focus is on this obsession with white converts.
Racism is an issue, but I must thank Allah (swt) that it has (to my knowledge) not entered my heart.
I couldn't care less what ethnicity another was. You can be friends with them all. You can respect them all. Cplour does not mean that someone will do right, or wrong.
Not sure what he found upsetting about that story, apart from the comment about the sparkling blue eyes.
I got relatives that have green eyes. It makes no diference what so ever IMO. they still see. But that could be becasuse I prefer function over form.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Some people get more excited abt white converts than black converts. this is ignorance.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Honestly it's easy to say you aren't a racist until you have to demonstrate it. I've never had a racist thought, have lots of diverse friends and seeing as I married a Mexican you'd think that's a pretty clear indicator I'm not racist.
Then Annette decided to start jogging in Harlem.
You wouldn't believe the weird stuff I thought was going on in there, or the kind of danger she was in. It's kind of like how you walk to the other side of the street when you see black kids wearing puffy coats walking toward you - except times 10. I got absolutely paranoid, and race was definitely a factor there.
So maybe I am... or maybe I am in certain situations - who knows, but I definitely struck out when I came up to the plate. When it comes to your family you really have no idea what you are capable of.
Well previously I floated the idea that racism is not a yes or no thing, but a scale. Everyone is on the scale, but there is an invisible line on it which one crossed is seen as racism-proper.
I do not think there is any individual out there that has never had and preconceptions about anything, and this is linked to that.
you are right about being tested though. I haven't been tested, so you never know how I may react if I was.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yea I think a scale is probably a little closer to the truth. I think perhaps the idea (whether you realize you believe it or not) doesn't necessarily make you a racist unless you act on it - and even there there are lots of ways to act on it.
For example you could believe all black people are gangsters, or you could secretly believe black people who look a certain way are probably gangsters.
Either way you're making a stereotype based on external factors - but with the second there are more nuances and there is the addition of "look a certain way" which could include things like wearing gang paraphenalia or carrying a gun - which very reasonably can be used to assume a person is a gangster.
It's not always cut and dry...
dave you have brought up some very good points which i feel deserve their own thread - its kinda off-topic here.
as for this topic, sami yusuf's reply was very well thought out, mashaAllah. i agree with most of what he has written, although i still disagree with his stance on music. i only read yvonne's article once and to be honest i wasn't aware of the meanings of half the (derogatory) vocab she used, so i was quite shocked when he specifically brought it up. i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
that's very unfortunate though, because there were some valid points amid all the ranting, which noone is taking seriously because of the way she put them across. i dunno about this latest concert she referred to, but i have seen girls going crazy - standing up and swinging their arms from side to side and whatnot. it's not acceptable, regardless of how much money they donated - that is commendable ofcourse, but a completely seperate issue.
also, Admin made a good point about reverts. they go through a process of discovering islam. what we have gradually learnt from childhood doesn't come overnight to them, so you cannot expect them to react to certain things the way we do. yvonne is still a relatively 'fresh' convert, and i can't blame her for being shocked at the apathy of us born muslims. inshaAllah i hope that in the future she will develop her arguments in a calm and collected manner.
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i agree with Dave on the racism issues, i've got major bones to pick about the lack of coverage and fundraising for the Indonesian earthquake, as compared with the Kashmir one. Ppl may disagree but i seriously think it has much to do with a racist element. Same thing happened with Darfur. Need a new thread though
Not everyone agrees it was unnecessarily aggressive. In fact in some places people think it was bang on. Just depends what forum you're on really.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
you might agree with the points she raised, as i do, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with the vocabulary she used.
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yes - but there are probably still people who agreed with her vocab aswell. The world is bigger than the reival lady. And tbh most ppl here have the same coloured glasses on - go to MPAC one person wears black shades, another red, another yellow etc. Theres more diversity there - more nutters aswell.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
by 'we', i meant everyone here on the revival. i don't have the time to be posting on multiple forums. but i did tell bro shazan to let me know of any good topics which crop up on the MPAC forums - where's he gone anyway?
about her vocab - it was far from the Prophetic example. so how can anyone agree with its usage...? :?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Shazan's been banned unfortunately.
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.
from MPAC? i know that, i was talking about this place - he used to post fairly regularly here.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
They ban him every other week, they've been trying to push him out.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I'd rather not get into it if it's all the same to you... but he certainly didn't do anything to deserve it.
Different atmosphere there...
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Hey Vedeno,
u wanna know something REALLY crazy?? Well, it turns out that your hero Yvonne wasn't even present at the concert!! So, you still support her defamation, rudeness, and all the disgusting comments she made, even though they're ALL based on hearsay????? She BLATANTLY defamed brother Sami for gaining populiruty for herself!! ALL that she said regarding the concert are based on hearsay!! She publically defamed a TRUE Muslim by rumours that were spread by some of her Jihadi friends!!!! MaY ALLAH save us from all this fitnah!! Amin
very amusing indeed.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
erm... can we lay off this personal insulting?
otherwise I WILL lock this topic.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
u talking to me?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
toh aur kaun?
MusaHabib has a valid point
i think the discussion should be locked, coz i personally find it infuriating how people can back yvonne's comments even after what Sami wrote....sometimes good character, approach and manners means nothing.
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
My question was addressed to Admin - if you have knowledge of the unseen and knw his answer then thanks for giving it - otherwise I'll wait for admin to reply.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
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