Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Open Letter
From Sami Yusuf to Yvonne Riddley
17/06/06
Dear Yvonne,
Peace and blessings of God be upon you.
Your recent article on ‘Pop Culture in the Name of Islam’ has been brought to my attention. I commend you for voicing your opinion and raising some very important issues – albeit in a very provocative manner. I thought it would be useful to share some of my thoughts with you on this matter.
As a Muslim artist, I regularly seek clarification and advice from world-renowned scholars on art, music, singing and culture. Be informed that the subject of music is one of the most controversial topics in Islamic Jurisprudence. I respect those who consider music to be haram. Yes eminent scholars of our past have opined such. However, I respect and follow the opinion of other eminent scholars – classical and contemporary, who permit singing and the use of musical instruments. The well-established jurisprudential rule states that ‘in matters where there is ikhtilaf (differences of opinion) there is to be no condemnation of either opinion.’ This is from the beauty of the religion of Islam. The diversity of our cultural, legal and social traditions is something we are in dire need of celebrating not condemning. So let’s agree to disagree on this one.
The obsessive fascination of fans towards any celebrity - be it in arts, music, politics, media, etc - to the point of hysteria and hero-worshipping is definitely unhealthy not to mention un-Islamic. Of course, as Muslims, we are required to abide by certain etiquettes in whatever situation we may find ourselves in. However, I definitely did not see girls dancing or behaving indecently in any of my concerts. To state otherwise is a gross exaggeration if not an outright fallacy. And if indeed that did take place then let’s deal with it in the true Prophetic tradition - a tradition that imparts love, mercy, tolerance and wisdom. Let me share with you the story of the Bedouin who came to the Prophet’s mosque and started urinating in the mosque itself. The Companions rushed to grab him and give him a ‘good beating.’ But the Prophet did not allow them to do so and told them to let him be. After the Bedouin had urinated, the Prophet asked his Companions to bring a bucket of water and wash the place. Afterwards he called the man and with gentleness and affection explained to him that this was a place of worship and that it should be kept clean. Though I have to say that had the Bedouin been around today he would be lucky to get away with just a ‘good beating’!
Indeed the state of contemporary mainstream music is one dominated by celebrity worship, materialism and the constant promotion of a consumerist culture that seeks only to derive instant emotional and physical gratification. The arts industry in general – and the music industry specifically – is being commercialised at the expense of art itself. We don’t value good art or good music anymore – it’s about what can sell most in the market. In the midst of all this, it is upon all conscious and responsible artists who look beyond the commercial to work in refining arts and music. Apart from entertaining audiences, music is a powerful medium to communicate values and social messages. In these times where heinous crimes against humanity are being committed, we as artists – Muslims or non-Muslims, British or non-British – have a duty to use this medium to bring some sanity to this world of unrest, fear, violence, terror and war. Human life and dignity are values that should be cherished and championed by all. Had you listened carefully to the songs in my latest album which is actually entitled ‘My Ummah’ before hastily passing judgements, you would have noticed my modest attempt at addressing issues facing the global Muslim community – such as regaining our lost legacy in all spheres of human life, oppression in different parts of the Muslim world, Aids, landmines, poverty and freedom to wear the hijab.
This leads me to another important issue which you raised – that of identity and culture. Who are we? How do we define ourselves? What do we stand for? Let me remind you again – I am a British Muslim. Proud to be Muslim and proud to be British! Why? Because this is what Islam teaches me to be – loyal towards my faith and my country. Throughout our rich history, wherever Muslims settled they adopted and fused the best aspects of the local culture/society with Islamic teachings and traditions. As Dr. Umar Faruq Abdallah, a leading American Muslim scholar and thinker writes in ‘Islam the Cultural Imperative’:
In history, Islam showed itself to be culturally friendly and, in that regard, has been likened to a crystal clear river. Its waters (Islam) are pure, sweet, and life-giving but—having no color of their own—reflect the bedrock (indigenous culture) over which they flow. In China, Islam looked Chinese; in Mali, it looked African. Sustained cultural relevance to distinct peoples, diverse places, and different times underlay Islam’s long success as a global civilization.
At a time when leading Muslim scholars and thinkers have reached an advanced stage in crystallising theories of citizenship and positive integration into Western societies, any discussion of renouncing parts of our identity is simply ridiculous, dangerous and destructive – especially for someone who has no other homeland. Such emotional fist-pumping and chest-pounding about renouncing our British identity may seem attractive to a minority of Muslim youth, but as Muslims in positions of influence like yourself, we should not play to these base instincts. Rather, we should try to be more far-sighted and responsible in our discourse and not sacrifice this in the pursuit of tabloid-style sensationalist journalism.
Do you not see the Prophet of Islam shedding tears whilst migrating from Makkah – his beloved homeland to Madina despite the persecution he suffered at the hands of its people. Britain is my home. I was raised here as a child, I went to school here, most of my friends – Muslims and non-Muslims - are British and my earliest as well as fondest memories are rooted here. Does being British mean I take pride in the oppressive and exploitative colonial past of Britain? Does it mean I support the British invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? Does it mean I support the Anti-Terrorism Act? Does it mean I support the erosion of civil liberties and human rights? Of course not! But Yvonne, let us be fair and not forget that it was in Britain that the world witnessed the largest anti-war demonstration – a testimony to the moral consciousness of the British public. I too was in that demonstration voicing my discontent over the foreign policies of our government. Although we have our fair share of racism, Islamophobia, discrimination, under-representation – and in no way am I claiming that we live in a utopian society, but I still believe that British society is amongst the most tolerant, open, liberal, multi-cultural and inclusive societies in the world. We don’t need to go far but Muslims in the Continent would envy the liberties and opportunities that British Muslims take for granted. Actually the real debate that needs to take place is how are we to shape this emerging British / European / Western Muslim identity and what direction it should take. I see my work a humble contribution towards that end.
You are critical of my mention that the Metropolitan Police is inclusive of Muslims. By God, who are you depending on to protect and safeguard our streets? Yes, there is no doubt that the Metropolitan Police have committed a series of grave mistakes and blunders – the recent Forest Gate incident is one such example and the Police must be held fully accountable for their actions. But we as Britons and Muslims have a religious and civic obligation to help maintain a safe and secure Britain. This actually raises serious questions about the participation of British Muslims not just in the Metropolitan Police but in mainstream civil society. We have three options as a community: [1] To assimilate and lose our cultural, ethnic and even religious roots. [2] To ghettoise and divorce ourselves from society and face extermination. [3] To positively integrate and contribute to society whilst remaining loyal to both faith and country. I – like the vast majority Muslims – have chosen option three. We need to build trust and partnerships with civil institutions and engage with them. This path entails that we be active members in our communities and societies; that we participate at all levels of society from politics to sports, from academia to arts, from business to media; that we reserve and exercise the right of dissent and criticism; that we join our fellow citizens in building a safe, peaceful, tolerant and pluralistic society that embodies the values of freedom and justice. Thus I commend you for standing in the last European Elections, General Elections and the recent Council Elections as a candidate in order to get your views heard, to make an impact, and to represent British people – although I hope you have better luck next time. Positive engagement – not anarchist ranting -– is the path we must tread.
It is true that the state of the global Muslim community is saddening but are we meant to live in perpetual grieving and lamenting and dress in black? Despite all the oppression and persecution suffered by the Prophet, he would always find time to celebrate the different joyful moments in life such as marriages, births, Eids and other happy occasions. He, peace and blessings of God be upon him, also found time to enjoy poetry and even had appointed a personal poet – the notable companion Hassan ibn Thabit.
Maintaining balance and adopting the middle way is the key in these troubled times of ours. Extremism and extremists have no place in Islam and in our civil societies. “Perished are the extremists” is a famous Prophetic tradition. Extremism is not a problem unique to Islam. Every religion, every way of life, every ideology has its puritans and those willing to distort and misinterpret it to meet their own agenda. And these are no different to those that commit acts of terror, who preach extremism, and who sow seeds of hatred in the name if Islam. There is no denying that Muslims in places like Palestine, Iraq, Kashmir and Chechnya are facing oppression and tragedy every day, and both the Muslim world and the West need to come together to solve these problems in the greater interest of humanity. Western governments in particular must understand that to help the majority of Muslims defeat the minority of extremists, they must assist us in eradicating the daily humiliation faced by Muslims across many parts of the world. Ending this humiliation is the only way forward for us.
You have every right to criticise and disagree with me or anyone else for that matter, and I always welcome any advice and constructive criticism for I know my defects and shortcomings are many. I am guided by the ancient wisdom which states ‘May God have mercy on the one who shows me my defects – for that is the best gift he could give me.’ However, in the Islamic tradition there are adab (ethics) of criticism and disagreement. I know you wrote your article with sincerity and zeal, but on a more personal level, I was deeply pained and saddened by the hostile tone and the vulgar style of your language that was brimming with sarcasm and was clearly un-Islamic, indecent and a gross violation of the beautiful teachings of our beloved Prophet who said “I was not sent except to perfect your manners.” Using words such as “astagfirullah dude,” “lap-dancing,” ‘whooping and dancing,” and describing the volunteer stewards as “pipe cleaners” and “bulldozers” are inappropriate to say the very least. What shocked and even angered me was the way you shamelessly insulted our pure innocent sisters who were supporting a charity concert by describing them as “fluffers”! (Incidentally, these very sisters managed to raise over £100,000 for orphans all over the world.) I – like the vast majority of those who read your article – was blissfully ignorant about the very existence of this disgusting obscene word, and I would question the wisdom of introducing it to the vocabulary of your readers. As to my performances, I always consciously endeavour to be responsible, respectable, modest and dignified on stage.
It has been my approach that whenever personal criticism is levelled at me I ignore it and get on with my work, as my philosophy in life is to build and not destroy, and to unite not divide. However, on this occasion I felt duty-bound to respond because of the dangerous ideas and notions contained in your article. Yvonne, let us work together as fellow Muslims and Britons in building a better future for our community and all human beings and strive to make our world a safer, more peaceful, tolerant and prosperous place.
Yours faithfully,
Sami Yusuf
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote]and im no girl so i dont 'fancy' him [/quote]
Thats nice to know. :? I didnt say you fancied him
[quote]I have read countless articles about so and so's "piercing blue eyes" or "flash of blonde hair" while they read the Qur'an as a recent convert to Islam - white women especially. Admittedly it's a bit creepy reading articles like those since... I am blonde haired and do have blue eyes - however I It seems more than what I initially thought it was - a preemptive attempt to tell me "Islam isn't just for black people." There is a real obsession with getting more white converts - I don't see this kind of celebratory attitude about black converts[/quote]
Eh? What articles are these? Got any links?
[quote]And what really gets me is that while Muslims seem so obsessed with gaining more blonde haired blue eyed people to write about - Muslims who are every bit as white as me in places like Chechnya or Bosnia were completely left behind by the Muslim community. I've never heard any Muslim organization put Chechnya higher than Palestine on the imminent threat meter. [/quote]
I agree that Muslims should try more to help others rather than just concetrate and talk about the same issues again and again (i.e mainly Palestine and Iraq/Afghanistan) but not because of skin colour!
Maybe problems should be treated according to what how serious and dangerous the situation is for Muslims.
That would put places like Chechnya and couple others higher on the "agenda list" than say Palestine.
(Btw i havent really met anyone who is obsessed with white skin , its such an irrelevant issue)
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Vedeno"]
Eh? What articles are these? Got any links?[/quote]
[url=http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=6338]Yup[/url][url=http://www…]
[quote]I agree that Muslims should try more to help others rather than just concetrate and talk about the same issues again and again (i.e mainly Palestine and Iraq/Afghanistan) but not because of skin colour!
Maybe problems should be treated according to what how serious and dangerous the situation is for Muslims.
That would put places like Chechnya and couple others higher on the "agenda list" than say Palestine.[/quote]
Who's to say it's not because of skin color? Many Muslim authors have noted that white and black Muslims are seen as "less muslim" by other Muslims, take the following example:
[quote]I have heard and witnessed much in certain masajid and even experienced a number of incidents myself. I have avoided as much as possible throughout the article to reference any one people but I will mention only two brutal examples. In one masjid I visited, the majority is white Muslims and someone ignorant enough once proclaimed “what is that black man doing here? I don’t want to pray beside him!” This has occurred a number of times whenever a different individual other than the majority entered from these specific individuals. In another incident, one masjid I visited, the majority is brown Muslims. Whenever the white and black Muslims visit, they get stared at as complete strangers, viewed as suspicious individuals and as culturally inferior, not able to belong amongst their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters because they are viewed as lesser.[/quote] - [url=http://www.maniacmuslim.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t5605.html]Man… Muslim Forums[/url]
If this is the attitude of the mosques there is no reason to suspect that the larger worldwide Muslim community is any different - indeed that seems to be the thing you don't understand (from what you said below); racism isn't just "possibly" there, it [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=67557&sid=a9e0e7fb7f… [/url] present in the ummah.
[quote](Btw i havent really met anyone who is obsessed with white skin , its such an irrelevant issue)[/quote]
lol an irrelevant issue, Who are you kidding?
[quote]Aslamu Aleikum,
I am a blonde Bosnian, and I dont look much different than an anglo-Brit. My question is how would I be treated in places like Bradford, oldham or other places with racial tensions? It seems that most Muslims in UK are South asian, and I have heard of whites being attacked by Muslim youth. Any comments on this or experiences? I plan on visiting UK but want to know what to expect. I am a pretty big guy, but if I am surrounded by 15 to 20 thugs If I tell them Iam bosnian muslim would they be cool. Or is it more an ethnic thing and they dont like whites whether they are muslims or not.[/quote] - [url=http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=9184&page=1]User Toro1 MPACUK Forum
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[url=http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2004/12/04/racism_and_the_fractu…] [url=http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/prejudice_and_racism_amongst_m… a problem in the Islamic community.[/url] Here's a whole audio lecture on the topic:
[url=http://www.audioislam.com:8000/audio/identity/manners/racism_amongst_mu… 1[/url]
[url=http://www.audioislam.com:8000/audio/identity/manners/racism_amongst_mu… 2[/url]
We we're JUST discussing this on the [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=67557&sid=a9e0e7fb7f…] before you joined.
But racism doesn't concern me Muslims are perfectly capable of cleaning their own kitchens. To get back to my question - why are Muslims so obsessed with white converts?
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
ALLAH alone knows who loves who. I wonder at peoples audacity sometimes.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
I have no idea.
i was not conc=sciously aware of this issue.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote]Yup. [/quote]
Can you explain where the creepiness lies in that article. :? Im confused.
[quote]lol and irrelevant issue, Who are you kidding? [/quote]
Yes its irrelevant since i dont think the Muslim obsession with white converts exists to the degree you suggest it.
Racism however is a different issue and it does exist but its more of a cultural thing.
I know many Pakistani guys who wouldnt be allowed to marry white or black Muslims coz its against there culture or summat :?
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Vedeno"]
Can you explain where the creepiness lies in that article. Confused Im confused.[/quote]
"Aisha's piercing blue eyes sparkle with evangelical zeal, she smiles with radiance only true believers possess. Her face is that of a strong Scots lass - no nonsense, good-humoured - but it is carefully covered with a hijab."
That's CLEAR objectification based on physical features, (and incredibly bad writing). This isn't just a convert to islam, this is an emphatically, stereotypically white convert to Islam - and that's offensive. It gets so comically bad the story really isn't about Islam, it's about the girls race.
[quote]Yes its irrelevant since i dont think the Muslim obsession with white converts exists to the degree you suggest it. [/quote]
Then prove it. The articles and discussions I provided five seconds ago very clearly indicate a preoccupation with white converts, people in this discussion even commented on the allure of white converts. You can't say "it's irrelevant" in the face of all that without something more substantial.
[quote="Vedeno"]Racism however is a different issue and it does exist but its more of a cultural thing.
I know many Pakistani guys who wouldnt be allowed to marry white or black Muslims coz its against there culture or summat :?[/quote]
However you guys justify it, dismiss it or deal with it is up to you - I simply said it was there. But as I said before my focus is on this obsession with white converts.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Racism is an issue, but I must thank Allah (swt) that it has (to my knowledge) not entered my heart.
I couldn't care less what ethnicity another was. You can be friends with them all. You can respect them all. Cplour does not mean that someone will do right, or wrong.
Not sure what he found upsetting about that story, apart from the comment about the sparkling blue eyes.
I got relatives that have green eyes. It makes no diference what so ever IMO. they still see. But that could be becasuse I prefer function over form.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Some people get more excited abt white converts than black converts. this is ignorance.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Admin"]Racism is an issue, but I must thank Allah (swt) that it has (to my knowledge) not entered my heart.
I couldn't care less what ethnicity another was. You can be friends with them all. You can respect them all. Cplour does not mean that someone will do right, or wrong.
Not sure what he found upsetting about that story, apart from the comment about the sparkling blue eyes.
I got relatives that have green eyes. It makes no diference what so ever IMO. they still see. But that could be becasuse I prefer function over form.[/quote]
Honestly it's easy to say you aren't a racist until you have to demonstrate it. I've never had a racist thought, have lots of diverse friends and seeing as I married a Mexican you'd think that's a pretty clear indicator I'm not racist.
Then Annette decided to start jogging in Harlem.
You wouldn't believe the weird stuff I thought was going on in there, or the kind of danger she was in. It's kind of like how you walk to the other side of the street when you see black kids wearing puffy coats walking toward you - except times 10. I got absolutely paranoid, and race was definitely a factor there.
So maybe I am... or maybe I am in certain situations - who knows, but I definitely struck out when I came up to the plate. When it comes to your family you really have no idea what you are capable of.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Well previously I floated the idea that racism is not a yes or no thing, but a scale. Everyone is on the scale, but there is an invisible line on it which one crossed is seen as racism-proper.
I do not think there is any individual out there that has never had and preconceptions about anything, and this is linked to that.
you are right about being tested though. I haven't been tested, so you never know how I may react if I was.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Admin"]Well previously I floated the idea that racism is not a yes or no thing, but a scale. Everyone is on the scale, but there is an invisible line on it which one crossed is seen as racism-proper.
I do not think there is any individual out there that has never had and preconceptions about anything, and this is linked to that.
you are right about being tested though. I haven't been tested, so you never know how I may react if I was.[/quote]
Yea I think a scale is probably a little closer to the truth. I think perhaps the idea (whether you realize you believe it or not) doesn't necessarily make you a racist unless you act on it - and even there there are lots of ways to act on it.
For example you could believe all black people are gangsters, or you could secretly believe black people who look a certain way are probably gangsters.
Either way you're making a stereotype based on external factors - but with the second there are more nuances and there is the addition of "look a certain way" which could include things like wearing gang paraphenalia or carrying a gun - which very reasonably can be used to assume a person is a gangster.
It's not always cut and dry...
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
dave you have brought up some very good points which i feel deserve their own thread - its kinda off-topic here. 😉
as for this topic, sami yusuf's reply was very well thought out, mashaAllah. i agree with most of what he has written, although i still disagree with his stance on music. i only read yvonne's article once and to be honest i wasn't aware of the meanings of half the (derogatory) vocab she used, so i was quite shocked when he specifically brought it up. i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
that's very unfortunate though, because there were some valid points amid all the ranting, which noone is taking seriously because of the way she put them across. i dunno about this latest concert she referred to, but i have seen girls going crazy - standing up and swinging their arms from side to side and whatnot. it's not acceptable, regardless of how much money they donated - that is commendable ofcourse, but a completely seperate issue.
also, Admin made a good point about reverts. they go through a process of discovering islam. what we have gradually learnt from childhood doesn't come overnight to them, so you cannot expect them to react to certain things the way we do. yvonne is still a relatively 'fresh' convert, and i can't blame her for being shocked at the apathy of us born muslims. inshaAllah i hope that in the future she will develop her arguments in a calm and collected manner.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
i agree with Dave on the racism issues, i've got major bones to pick about the lack of coverage and fundraising for the Indonesian earthquake, as compared with the Kashmir one. Ppl may disagree but i seriously think it has much to do with a racist element. Same thing happened with Darfur. Need a new thread though 😉
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="*DUST*"] i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
.[/quote]
Not everyone agrees it was unnecessarily aggressive. In fact in some places people think it was bang on. Just depends what forum you're on really.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Med"][quote="*DUST*"] i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
.[/quote]
Not everyone agrees it was unnecessarily aggressive. In fact in some places people think it was bang on. Just depends what forum you're on really.[/quote]
you might agree with the points she raised, as i do, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with the vocabulary she used.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="*DUST*"][quote="Med"][quote="*DUST*"] i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
.[/quote]
Not everyone agrees it was unnecessarily aggressive. In fact in some places people think it was bang on. Just depends what forum you're on really.[/quote]
you might agree with the points she raised, as i do, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with the vocabulary she used.[/quote]
yes - but there are probably still people who agreed with her vocab aswell. The world is bigger than the reival lady. And tbh most ppl here have the same coloured glasses on - go to MPAC one person wears black shades, another red, another yellow etc. Theres more diversity there - more nutters aswell.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Med"][quote="*DUST*"][quote="Med"][quote="*DUST*"] i think we all agree now that yvonne's style of writing was unnecessarily aggressive.
.[/quote]
Not everyone agrees it was unnecessarily aggressive. In fact in some places people think it was bang on. Just depends what forum you're on really.[/quote]
you might agree with the points she raised, as i do, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with the vocabulary she used.[/quote]
yes - but there are probably still people who agreed with her vocab aswell. The world is bigger than the reival lady. And tbh most ppl here have the same coloured glasses on - go to MPAC one person wears black shades, another red, another yellow etc. Theres more diversity there - more nutters aswell.[/quote]
by 'we', i meant everyone here on the revival. i don't have the time to be posting on multiple forums. but i did tell bro shazan to let me know of any good topics which crop up on the MPAC forums - where's he gone anyway?
about her vocab - it was far from the Prophetic example. so how can anyone agree with its usage...? :?
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Shazan's been banned unfortunately. 🙁
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Vedeno"]Shazan's been banned unfortunately. 🙁
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.[/quote]
from MPAC? i know that, i was talking about this place - he used to post fairly regularly here.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Vedeno"]Shazan's been banned unfortunately. 🙁
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.[/quote]
They ban him every other week, they've been trying to push him out.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Don Karnage"][quote="Vedeno"]Shazan's been banned unfortunately. 🙁
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.[/quote]
They ban him every other week, they've been trying to push him out.[/quote]is it just him, or others as well? if its just him, why? he didn't seem particularly crazy when he was on the Revival...? :|
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="*DUST*"][quote="Don Karnage"][quote="Vedeno"]Shazan's been banned unfortunately. 🙁
I dunno why , i was away for a couple of months , when i came back i heard he had been banned.[/quote]
They ban him every other week, they've been trying to push him out.[/quote]is it just him, or others as well? if its just him, why? he didn't seem particularly crazy when he was on the Revival...? :|[/quote]
I'd rather not get into it if it's all the same to you... but he certainly didn't do anything to deserve it.
Different atmosphere there...
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Don Karnage"]I'd rather not get into it if it's all the same to you... but he certainly didn't do anything to deserve it.[/quote]ok, no prob.
[quote="Don Karnage"]Different atmosphere there...[/quote]i know, rather unfortunate.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
Hey Vedeno,
u wanna know something REALLY crazy?? Well, it turns out that your hero Yvonne wasn't even present at the concert!! So, you still support her defamation, rudeness, and all the disgusting comments she made, even though they're ALL based on hearsay????? She BLATANTLY defamed brother Sami for gaining populiruty for herself!! ALL that she said regarding the concert are based on hearsay!! She publically defamed a TRUE Muslim by rumours that were spread by some of her Jihadi friends!!!! MaY ALLAH save us from all this fitnah!! Amin
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="MusaHabib"]Hey Vedeno,
u wanna know something REALLY crazy?? Well, it turns out that your hero Yvonne wasn't even present at the concert!! So, you still support her defamation, rudeness, and all the disgusting comments she made, even though they're ALL based on hearsay????? She BLATANTLY defamed brother Sami for gaining populiruty for herself!! ALL that she said regarding the concert are based on hearsay!! She publically defamed a TRUE Muslim by rumours that were spread by some of her Jihadi friends!!!! MaY ALLAH save us from all this fitnah!! Amin[/quote]
very amusing indeed. 😂
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
erm... can we lay off this personal insulting?
otherwise I WILL lock this topic.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
[quote="Admin"]erm... can we lay off this personal insulting?
otherwise I WILL lock this topic.[/quote]
u talking to me?
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
toh aur kaun?
MusaHabib has a valid point
i think the discussion should be locked, coz i personally find it infuriating how people can back yvonne's comments even after what Sami wrote....sometimes good character, approach and manners means nothing.
Sami Yusuf Responds!!
My question was addressed to Admin - if you have knowledge of the unseen and knw his answer then thanks for giving it - otherwise I'll wait for admin to reply.
[quote="Vedeno"][quote]this arguement aout yvonne v sami can go for ages, especially with her fans on here [/quote]
Or with HIS fans :roll:
But i guess your right , the arguement could go on forever. Best to leave it probably.[/quote]
i listen to naats and qawali's mainly, so how im his fan is beyond me
and im no girl so i dont 'fancy' him :roll:
he treads the moderate path, holds extreme love for the Beloved Prophet (Saw), and goes about his music in a good way