Sup,
"A man and women are not alone, except that Shaytaan is the third in their company"
The above is mentioned in the Quran. So WHY i ask you do muslims date?
Why do muslim brother and sisters take part in dating? When its clearly said to be haraam?
Some where along the line the generations view had suddenly changed and what was once forbidden in Islam is slowly becoming more acceptable?? Why?
What was there some sort of devine intervention or something that i missed?
You'll get answers like:
"We were young... its in the past... it happens?"
or
"She had Jam on her lips and i was hungry"
Oh Comeon people!!! You cant bend these rules, it aint open to interpretation the Quran is clear as crystal on the subject: Dating is NOT allowed. Yet they do it anyway, knowing fully that it aint acceptable.
Another thing i've noticed with the new generations is they'll use technology to aid them with this kinda thing since every1's got a mobile (some with more than one mobile) so you ring each other on the mobiles (so parents dont find out), they text, fall in love over the internet, they'll meet in stupid places like Starbucks... b4 you know it is all hugs and kisses.. and then... oh your gonna like this... they say... 'yeah we muslims'!!! Now tell me which part of what they're doing is Islamic?
Look at our parents... i doubt the majority of them knew or even met each other before they got married. Yet with the new generation searching for Mr/Mrs Right is in the majority while arranged marriages are now declining.
And thats NOT the worst part... no no no ... the worst part is: if this is the kind of things the new generation is doing... what will the generations after that do? Which other sins will they start making acceptable?
Discuss your views: Cause? Reasons why?(if any)
Seraph. What's with all the Sup-ing?
Check out the 'No Topic' thread.
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The reasons i think are causing this first most is lack of or no knowledge of Islam, secondly parents not asking their children where they are (personally i think the parents should know exactly where there child is be it a male or female!), thirdly discussin any problems and taking on board who there child wants to marry (cuz if parents dont do that the child is likely to go find the Mr/Mrs Right themselves hence haram consequences!)...hmm il type more later when i can think of more reason...
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i agree that mobile phones have become a cause of major concern....i know many sisters who are not allowed outside maybe because of lack of trust on the parents part but they are always on their mobiles chatting to guys (undercover of course) so mobiles have become the norm to chat to the opposite gender because they are quick and discreet
i dont think its the mobile thats the problem - its the person! if parents gave their child good tarbiyyah, they shud hav enuf trust in her/him to know that he/she wouldnt b chatting 2 gals/guys on the phone! :roll:
personally, i dont think mobiles are necessary whilst in school, but once college starts, it can b quite helpful. i wouldnt mind my kids having a mobile after they'r 16.
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mobile phones are not the only problem obviously the way the parents have educated and taught the child also counts but in nowadays society where fitna is everywhere having a moblie phone can lead to loads of problems e.g people passing your number on to inappropriate people (usually people who you think are friends go round giving your digits to every person they see!)....so its about having the right sort of friends aswell...itz all these things put together that create a disastrous outcome.
i just happen to know people who have become worse by having mobile phones
I didnt get my mobile till i was in college so did my brother as well as my sister. Helped parents keep track of me, as well as me being able to keep track of my friends (they get lost soo easily).
I personally never give out my number to people i dont know or barely know. Only close friends and family have it not including employers etc.
Like Email txtn etc is soo easy and ready to use at your fingertips and as a result soo easy to mis-use. The number of times i've been told that such-a-such sister is being pranked on her phone by some muppet and the number of times i've had to deal with it is unbelievable.
Then theres these stupid 'Daytimers' places; which is basicly a club but open during the day rather than night. The number of muslim people that i heard go to these places is shocking.
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your right it is to easy to mis-use and most people give in to the temptation and before they know it, it becomes normal for them to txt/ring the opposite gender claiming that they're only 'friends'...but for how long?
someone alse mentioned these daytimers on the old forum..think it was Muslim Sister, but iv never actually come across them. i mean iv not heard them being talked about or anything....well i guess thats a good thing then...its just shocking that Muslims actually go to places such as these
nah it was lilsis - her friend went or summat so she was chatting bout it. i've never heard of it either....
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same here.
....that is IF u actually know gals/guys in the first place - see it all comes down to the character of the person. if a gal chats to guys at school, then she's not going to feel uncomfortable about texting them. whereas if a girl has been brought up in such a way that she believes it is wrong to chat freely to the opposite sex, then she
a) wouldn't know any guys to text
b) would ignore any pranksters.
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Yes, character and how you've been bought up by your parents play perhaps the most crucial role but there's also peer pressure, with all the weight of Shaytaan's support.
I'm not sure where you guys are from but from what I've seen in inner city, heavily asian/'muslim' populated colleges and universities, dating is rampant. The girls get the attention and 'love' they crave for and the guys get whatever they possibly can. Those who don't get involved feel left out and its here where the true strength of character shows through.
The really sad thing for me is though the number of 'practising' brothers and sisters who are involved in dating - many often 'just trying to get married!' A couple of years ago it was well known that the head sister at Birmingham Uni medschool had a boyfriend, yet nothing was done about this and people were reluctant to get involved with the Isoc out of disgust
The 'trying to get married' is just a feeble excuse to go out and do pretty much whatever you want, as if it justifies seclusion, intimacy and everything else that goes with Shaytaans plot.
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i agree with you sis and in most cases your right...but some girls i know were not the type to chat to guys freely at school/college and then they got mobile phones and then the prank calls from guys start and for the first 2/3 times they ignore them or tell them to get lost but then eventually they begin to think its okay to chat to a guy over the phone because hey whats the harm in it...i mean its not like we'r chatting face 2 face and we never even have to! lol i know...sounds totally pathetic but it happens...IMO mobile phones are a major no no....esp for school kids because they just dont need them!
yeh most 'religious' people end up dating to and when asked about it they say...atleast we'r serious about each other and want to get married unlike so and so who is just messing around......its very sad but even apparently 'practising' people have become so confused that they dont realise the major sin that they're commiting
once a sister was talking to me about marriage she kept saying that dating is wrong and then when i mentioned parents arranging marriages for their children she said noway man i wouldnt have an arranged marriage. i meen this girl her father works at the mosque i thoght she'd no more. she just didnt make sense.
it sounded like one of the sisters on this forum .
anyway what can we do about these 2 sided people, there father works at mosques, and they think they know everything about islam, but when u ask them they hant got a clue.
u sound like your talkin from experience
salaam iaams, welcome to the forum.
wot is ur definition of an arranged marriage?
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lets just say i know alot of people
well know cos if your talkin from experience then why not just say, in isam it is wrong to lie
u tryin to slander the sister?
for ur info slander is considered WORSE then adultery
so STOP chatting outta ur backside
no one believes the crap ur coming out with
do u know whta uv just said. obviuosly not, why do ar muslim brothers and sisters advice and abuse at the sam etime, dont make sense.
You sound very very familiar!!
and why do our muslim brother and sister's like to slander other Muslims
it doesnt make sense
leave Kuri alone
well your parents telling you whta sort of personality guy to look for, them helping you find someone etc
to get there heads into gear.
Salaams, I'm not sure his comments can be classified as slander, but Iaams I'm not sure I see the sense in why you chose to pick out the sister in such an immature way. We were having a general conversation here until you persisted into making it personal. You should try and avoid suspicion at all times.
ws
it is slander
s/he's implying stuff about Kuri
she's saying its not tru
s/he's saying telling her to "stop lying"
i dont personally know the girl-but i know her enough not to doubt her decency
IAAMs you were implying a slanderious remark.
Kuri denied it... since you dont know her, you have no valid reason to say she's lying.
Simply accept it and moveon theres nothing to gain from such petty arguements.
LilSis.. language.
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