Submitted by Amzy on 9 September, 2006 - 14:29 #61
Hey kids!
Not eaning to sound snotty or rude or anything but i was reading he first statement but as i go further down the topic seems to have totally changed so forgive me but im gonna make a comment on the original statement made.
We all know that "dating" is not permitted in Islam, but nothing is ever that simple. Listening to Music is not permitted either but im sure alot of us who have replied to this thread listens to music, so why is one thing slandered more then the other??? I am not saying its ok to date but what i am saying is we all know we do things that are against the teachings of Islam but do not be so quick to judge and point the finger when we all have faults in ourselves.
Im sure most people who date are fully aware of what is right and wrong and they have made the choice to make that decision knowing the consequences for when they are answering to Allah...
Submitted by Dave on 9 September, 2006 - 18:17 #62
"Seraphim" wrote:
. So WHY i ask you do muslims date?
Why do muslim brother and sisters take part in dating? When its clearly said to be haraam?
I bet you 500 new friends and some Axe body spray (seriously does anybody use that stuff?) it is all about peer pressure and hormones.
Eh... thats pessimistic, i couldnt keep my hands off my wife even before dating was considered "cool"
But i was raised differently... well technically i wasnt raised at all, but you get the picture - i think most muslims do a fabulous job of raising their children to be practicing muslims, they know the difference between right and wrong, they actually prefer or want to do the right thing, but that added twinge of peer pressure mixed with pheramones just destroys their judgement.
I think that is where parents need to take over, if their kids are dating or doing something unislamic parents should recognize 1. Their kid probably is confused and can't help it. 2. This is normal, kids dont know what they are doing 3. As unfortunate as one or two are, they still need to be corrected, whether that be via tricking poking, proding, inconveniencing, and maybe even belting into doing the right thing.
Parents dont have to be "nice" or "fair" they just have to be right and they have to enforce that.
Submitted by Seraphim on 9 September, 2006 - 22:21 #63
"Odysseus" wrote:
"Seraphim" wrote:
. So WHY i ask you do muslims date?
Why do muslim brother and sisters take part in dating? When its clearly said to be haraam?
Parents dont have to be "nice" or "fair" they just have to be right and they have to enforce that.
Not eaning to sound snotty or rude or anything but i was reading he first statement but as i go further down the topic seems to have totally changed so forgive me but im gonna make a comment on the original statement made.
We all know that "dating" is not permitted in Islam, but nothing is ever that simple. Listening to Music is not permitted either but im sure alot of us who have replied to this thread listens to music, so why is one thing slandered more then the other??? I am not saying its ok to date but what i am saying is we all know we do things that are against the teachings of Islam but do not be so quick to judge and point the finger when we all have faults in ourselves.
Im sure most people who date are fully aware of what is right and wrong and they have made the choice to make that decision knowing the consequences for when they are answering to Allah...
You raised an intresting point.
I suppose this comes under the "major/minor" sins category....premarital/extra marital relationships are major sins in Islam
That’s why people would make a bigger deal out of listening to music than having an affair.
But you are right though…namely that many of us are quick to condemn and point the finger when we have 101 things wrong with ourselves….
The point you raised is also seen by those who strongly hate those who partake in homosexual acts, but think it isn’t a big deal to sleep around with married women….even though both acts in Islam are punishable by death….yet people, “hate” gays more than those who have affairs.
Submitted by Dave on 12 September, 2006 - 00:41 #65
I was reflecting today about how awesome I'm going to be as a parent (I mean seriously who [i]wouldn't[/i] want me as a dad), whilst eating my traditional lunch feast of ham and cheese.
And I thought! Dave ol-Boy it's hypocritical for you to say "I'll never let them date" since technically speaking its not against your religion and you did date their mother for a significant amount of time.
So I thought, well in the interest of fairness I'm going to let my daughters date when the time comes (that would be 31 for those audience members who were interested) on one AND ONLY ONE condition.
That it be done, over my dead body.
Submitted by Noor on 12 September, 2006 - 11:20 #66
LOL
Your one funny guy dave!
Submitted by Seraphim on 12 September, 2006 - 12:20 #67
"Odysseus" wrote:
I was reflecting today about how awesome I'm going to be as a parent (I mean seriously who [i]wouldn't[/i] want me as a dad), whilst eating my traditional lunch feast of ham and cheese.
And I thought! Dave ol-Boy it's hypocritical for you to say "I'll never let them date" since technically speaking its not against your religion and you did date their mother for a significant amount of time.
So I thought, well in the interest of fairness I'm going to let my daughters date when the time comes (that would be 31 for those audience members who were interested) on one AND ONLY ONE condition.
That it be done, over my dead body.
lol you're right .... thats far less hypocritical.
Hey kids!
Not eaning to sound snotty or rude or anything but i was reading he first statement but as i go further down the topic seems to have totally changed so forgive me but im gonna make a comment on the original statement made.
We all know that "dating" is not permitted in Islam, but nothing is ever that simple. Listening to Music is not permitted either but im sure alot of us who have replied to this thread listens to music, so why is one thing slandered more then the other??? I am not saying its ok to date but what i am saying is we all know we do things that are against the teachings of Islam but do not be so quick to judge and point the finger when we all have faults in ourselves.
Im sure most people who date are fully aware of what is right and wrong and they have made the choice to make that decision knowing the consequences for when they are answering to Allah...
I bet you 500 new friends and some Axe body spray (seriously does anybody use that stuff?) it is all about peer pressure and hormones.
Eh... thats pessimistic, i couldnt keep my hands off my wife even before dating was considered "cool"
But i was raised differently... well technically i wasnt raised at all, but you get the picture - i think most muslims do a fabulous job of raising their children to be practicing muslims, they know the difference between right and wrong, they actually prefer or want to do the right thing, but that added twinge of peer pressure mixed with pheramones just destroys their judgement.
I think that is where parents need to take over, if their kids are dating or doing something unislamic parents should recognize 1. Their kid probably is confused and can't help it. 2. This is normal, kids dont know what they are doing 3. As unfortunate as one or two are, they still need to be corrected, whether that be via tricking poking, proding, inconveniencing, and maybe even belting into doing the right thing.
Parents dont have to be "nice" or "fair" they just have to be right and they have to enforce that.
I couldnt have put it better myself.
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You raised an intresting point.
I suppose this comes under the "major/minor" sins category....premarital/extra marital relationships are major sins in Islam
That’s why people would make a bigger deal out of listening to music than having an affair.
But you are right though…namely that many of us are quick to condemn and point the finger when we have 101 things wrong with ourselves….
The point you raised is also seen by those who strongly hate those who partake in homosexual acts, but think it isn’t a big deal to sleep around with married women….even though both acts in Islam are punishable by death….yet people, “hate” gays more than those who have affairs.
I was reflecting today about how awesome I'm going to be as a parent (I mean seriously who [i]wouldn't[/i] want me as a dad), whilst eating my traditional lunch feast of ham and cheese.
And I thought! Dave ol-Boy it's hypocritical for you to say "I'll never let them date" since technically speaking its not against your religion and you did date their mother for a significant amount of time.
So I thought, well in the interest of fairness I'm going to let my daughters date when the time comes (that would be 31 for those audience members who were interested) on one AND ONLY ONE condition.
That it be done, over my dead body.
LOL
Your one funny guy dave!
lol you're right .... thats far less hypocritical.
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