Submitted by *DUST* on 17 February, 2006 - 21:23 #121
"Admin" wrote:
you said wife has no right to dislike the fact her husband gets seond wife. the reason? it is allowed by Islam.
I said she has a right to dislike that. The reason? divorce is also allowed in Islam. but it has been made clear that it is 'disliked'.
admin i think u got the wrong end of the stick... here's wot 'Adil' wrote:
"Adil" wrote:
A believing man/believing woman have no right to personal opinion once ALLAH and His Rasul salallahu alayhi wa sallam have ruled on an issue.
so his point is not so much about a wife's opinion of her polygamous husband, but rather any Muslim's opinion on the topic of polygamy itself...
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by You on 17 February, 2006 - 21:34 #122
:oops:
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Dave on 17 February, 2006 - 21:42 #123
Actually I think Adil's response is the most genuine defense of Polygamy in Islam i've heard.
Submitted by Adil on 17 February, 2006 - 21:47 #124
"Augustus" wrote:
Actually I think Adil's response is the most genuine defense of Polygamy in Islam i've heard.
Much as I would like to take credit for my comments - I have to confess that it was basically a word-for-word regurgitation of what I have heard from esteemed clerics.
Submitted by You on 17 February, 2006 - 21:49 #125
Yes it is a good post. I disagreed with a bit which I had misread.
(Basically I disagreed with something that was not there!)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i have a question............well more like i need to know if its correct
i have heard that a woman can divorce her husband if he asks her to do something islamically unlawful e.g. taking off her head scarf, is this correct.
wa/salaam
Submitted by You on 17 February, 2006 - 22:09 #127
She can divorce her husband regardless. (some disagree here though...)
Divorce is disliked, but a marriage can be annulled for many reasons. If they are used.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yes i know she can divorce her husband regardless!!
i guess what i shud have said was what if she does do as he says, will it be classed as commiting a sin on her half aswell as his. or should she lets, say to save her marriage remove her headscarf but then isnt she better off divorcing him as hes asking her to commit a sin.
Submitted by Adil on 17 February, 2006 - 22:15 #129
There is no obedience of creation when the Creator is being disobeyed.
Submitted by *DUST* on 18 February, 2006 - 00:06 #130
"Adil" wrote:
There is no obedience of creation when the Creator is being disobeyed.
exactly...
saadia, everyone is responsible for their own actions and so yes, a woman will be held accountable for removing her hijab. but there are many steps she can take before she is faced with an ultimatum - i mean discussing it with her husband would be a good start, getting him to see her point of view... if they have a good relationship, then surely he would listen to her, even if he disagrees to begin with? but if after all that he disagrees and still asks/forces her to remove her hijab, i dont see y she cant divorce him.
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by yashmaki on 18 February, 2006 - 11:22 #131
divorce is always the last option. Nowadays so many young couples resort to divorce like they're cancelling a cheque. Divorce is permitted only if all other avenues of reconcilement have not worked.
I believe a lot of issues married couples have could be resolved without divorce, but one partner or both just can't be "bothered" to make the effort. Or they're in such a fit of rage they don't see sense, and do things in the heat of the moment, which they later regret.
Many muslim brothers often say i divorce you, when they are angered by their wives, little realising they have effectively divorced their wives. They continue to live together out of wedlock believing everything is halal.
Divorce is disliked. The word disliked shouldn't be taken as Allah's happy approval of the act. None of us would like to displease our Creator. So we should strive to solve our marital problems with sincere intentions,before proceeding to divorce.
Submitted by Omrow on 19 February, 2006 - 00:03 #132
Salam
"Admin" wrote:
it is a god post.
When did He become a member ?
I checked new members introductions.
Nothing there.
Naturally, He must be in the Invisible mode, permanently.
Also, would you be deleting His posts also ?
Omrow
Submitted by iRazor on 19 February, 2006 - 15:46 #133
"Omrow" wrote:
Salam
"Admin" wrote:
it is a god post.
When did [b]He [/b]become a member ?
I checked new members introductions.
Nothing there.
Naturally, He must be in the Invisible mode, permanently.
Also, would you be deleting [b]His [/b]posts also ?
Omrow
See the problem with your post is that you have given God a gender. Knowing full and well that God is beyond all human features and attributes.
So, to post what you did, it is clear that you are Ignorant.
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_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Submitted by You on 19 February, 2006 - 15:55 #134
I had failed in coming up with a suitable reply.
Thanks Razor.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by iRazor on 19 February, 2006 - 16:01 #135
"Admin" wrote:
I had failed in coming up with a suitable reply.
Thanks Razor.
No probz. The war against ignorance is eternal, and has no bounds.
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_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Submitted by star on 19 February, 2006 - 16:02 #136
Ey yes we know ALLAH has no gender but we can refer to him as he cant we now.
Submitted by You on 19 February, 2006 - 16:11 #137
The point being an poff the cuff post was replied by an off the cuff post.
Both understood what they wrote.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by star on 19 February, 2006 - 16:18 #138
ahan..
yea and Admin do check yr spelling....the 2nd time aint it.
Omrow just has to find the opportunity to waffle somat silly.
Submitted by You on 19 February, 2006 - 16:20 #139
"naj" wrote:
ahan..
yea and Admin do check yr spelling....the 2nd time aint it.
so you keeping tabs on me or something?
(and yes its the second time in just a few days...)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by star on 19 February, 2006 - 16:26 #140
Submitted by Dave on 19 February, 2006 - 20:03 #142
God isn't his name it's his title.
In Hebrew it's a masculine noun (I think) and that's why we call him "he"
Submitted by Omrow on 19 February, 2006 - 21:14 #143
Salam
He is not a woman.
And He is incharge.
Thats for sure.
Omrow
Submitted by iRazor on 19 February, 2006 - 21:14 #144
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD PEOPLE, I ONLY POSTED THAT TO SHUT OMROW UP, NOT TO START A DEBATE.
THIS IS A MARRIAGE THREAD ANYWAY, BACK ON TOPIC
IM
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_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD PEOPLE, I ONLY POSTED THAT TO SHUT OMROW UP, NOT TO START A DEBATE.
THIS IS A MARRIAGE THREAD ANYWAY, BACK ON TOPIC
IM
he shouted and the topic died.
but here i am to BUMP!
and talk about polygamy! (as it seems to be what that topic turned into) with the NEW generation of Revivalers! (plus Mr You)
how would you feel girlies if your hubby wanted to marry again?
actually..i hope i marry someone who would marry a lady for a more honourable reason then "she's pretty" (And insinuating, that 1st wife isnt anymore). Something like a divorcee or widow. Like the prophet (pbuh) did.
and marrying someone younger (for a guy) for the worng reason is just sick. (imo) hopefully, no Muslim Brother would do that...
okay, what IS the problem with old guys marrying young girls? it feels sick and wrong to me but i cant identify why, anyone wanna have a go?
and i believe the husband has to be fair in all material stuff like time, money etc... but i believe there is this mention of a man not being able to control his emotions, hence he cant "love" both the same, and coz you're the first wife, you'll always be *Special* (hopefully :S ) so nowt to worry about eh?
we shoudlnt regard the 2nd wife as an enemy, for God's sake...that would be pretty childish, well as we said, cant control the emotions, some girls are jealous and possesive. *shrugs* that DOESNT mean it's okay for them to be like that. Islam should regulate our behaviour, just some are more prone to jealousy.. it SOMETIMES cant be helped...but that's not a good enough excuse imo.
I don't think it'd be easy to accept...
I've just read the whole topic :oops: (no it didn't actually take that long!) and I agree with other posts on here, including some of MS and Yashmaki's, cbb to point them out now...
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
so his point is not so much about a wife's opinion of her polygamous husband, but rather any Muslim's opinion on the topic of polygamy itself...
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
:oops:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Actually I think Adil's response is the most genuine defense of Polygamy in Islam i've heard.
Much as I would like to take credit for my comments - I have to confess that it was basically a word-for-word regurgitation of what I have heard from esteemed clerics.
Yes it is a good post. I disagreed with a bit which I had misread.
(Basically I disagreed with something that was not there!)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
salaam
i have a question............well more like i need to know if its correct
i have heard that a woman can divorce her husband if he asks her to do something islamically unlawful e.g. taking off her head scarf, is this correct.
wa/salaam
She can divorce her husband regardless. (some disagree here though...)
Divorce is disliked, but a marriage can be annulled for many reasons. If they are used.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yes i know she can divorce her husband regardless!!
i guess what i shud have said was what if she does do as he says, will it be classed as commiting a sin on her half aswell as his. or should she lets, say to save her marriage remove her headscarf but then isnt she better off divorcing him as hes asking her to commit a sin.
There is no obedience of creation when the Creator is being disobeyed.
exactly...
saadia, everyone is responsible for their own actions and so yes, a woman will be held accountable for removing her hijab. but there are many steps she can take before she is faced with an ultimatum - i mean discussing it with her husband would be a good start, getting him to see her point of view... if they have a good relationship, then surely he would listen to her, even if he disagrees to begin with? but if after all that he disagrees and still asks/forces her to remove her hijab, i dont see y she cant divorce him.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
divorce is always the last option. Nowadays so many young couples resort to divorce like they're cancelling a cheque. Divorce is permitted only if all other avenues of reconcilement have not worked.
I believe a lot of issues married couples have could be resolved without divorce, but one partner or both just can't be "bothered" to make the effort. Or they're in such a fit of rage they don't see sense, and do things in the heat of the moment, which they later regret.
Many muslim brothers often say i divorce you, when they are angered by their wives, little realising they have effectively divorced their wives. They continue to live together out of wedlock believing everything is halal.
Divorce is disliked. The word disliked shouldn't be taken as Allah's happy approval of the act. None of us would like to displease our Creator. So we should strive to solve our marital problems with sincere intentions,before proceeding to divorce.
Salam
When did He become a member ?
I checked new members introductions.
Nothing there.
Naturally, He must be in the Invisible mode, permanently.
Also, would you be deleting His posts also ?
Omrow
See the problem with your post is that you have given God a gender. Knowing full and well that God is beyond all human features and attributes.
So, to post what you did, it is clear that you are Ignorant.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
I had failed in coming up with a suitable reply.
Thanks Razor.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
No probz. The war against ignorance is eternal, and has no bounds.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Ey yes we know ALLAH has no gender but we can refer to him as he cant we now.
The point being an poff the cuff post was replied by an off the cuff post.
Both understood what they wrote.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
ahan..
yea and Admin do check yr spelling....the 2nd time aint it.
Omrow just has to find the opportunity to waffle somat silly.
so you keeping tabs on me or something?
(and yes its the second time in just a few days...)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Grrr.....no course not not
i dint even notice till omrow quoted you, ......
Obvioulsy God has no gender
but God is most frequently referred to as HE
of course this dont mean that God is HE
God isn't his name it's his title.
In Hebrew it's a masculine noun (I think) and that's why we call him "he"
Salam
He is not a woman.
And He is incharge.
Thats for sure.
Omrow
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD PEOPLE, I ONLY POSTED THAT TO SHUT OMROW UP, NOT TO START A DEBATE.
THIS IS A MARRIAGE THREAD ANYWAY, BACK ON TOPIC
IM
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
he shouted and the topic died.
but here i am to BUMP!
and talk about polygamy! (as it seems to be what that topic turned into) with the NEW generation of Revivalers! (plus Mr You)
how would you feel girlies if your hubby wanted to marry again?
actually..i hope i marry someone who would marry a lady for a more honourable reason then "she's pretty" (And insinuating, that 1st wife isnt anymore). Something like a divorcee or widow. Like the prophet (pbuh) did.
and marrying someone younger (for a guy) for the worng reason is just sick. (imo) hopefully, no Muslim Brother would do that...
okay, what IS the problem with old guys marrying young girls? it feels sick and wrong to me but i cant identify why, anyone wanna have a go?
and i believe the husband has to be fair in all material stuff like time, money etc... but i believe there is this mention of a man not being able to control his emotions, hence he cant "love" both the same, and coz you're the first wife, you'll always be *Special* (hopefully :S ) so nowt to worry about eh?
we shoudlnt regard the 2nd wife as an enemy, for God's sake...that would be pretty childish, well as we said, cant control the emotions, some girls are jealous and possesive. *shrugs* that DOESNT mean it's okay for them to be like that. Islam should regulate our behaviour, just some are more prone to jealousy.. it SOMETIMES cant be helped...but that's not a good enough excuse imo.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I don't think it'd be easy to accept...
I've just read the whole topic :oops: (no it didn't actually take that long!) and I agree with other posts on here, including some of MS and Yashmaki's, cbb to point them out now...
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
*puts hands in the air* guilty as charged.
and yep, quite an enjoyable thing to read.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
A figure like a trigger and a bum like a drum...
If I ever have to kill for something, it would be for, "A woman"
If I ever have to kill something it would have to be, "A woman"
Unless you're the reason why he got married to a 2nd wife.
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
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