Some guys look very "girly" if they are clean shaven. My younger brother has the same eyes as me...and if one looks closely they'll notice he has really thick lashes. And his features are kinda similar to mine too.

Whenever he shaves his face clean, he doesnt look "manly" enough.

"yuit" wrote:

"Enver" wrote:

I tried making my tash shorter but it got messed up.

So currently I have no tash.

Nah, my tash is normally 0.5, so too avoid that shining effect you get with a clean shave, that does look silly IMO. I tried the tash, but just feel like a stupid paki with it, so didn't keep it.

There are many ahadith in which the Prophet (s.a.w) told the Sahaba (r.a.) to lengthen their beards and remove their 'tashes.

edit: here's some:

Ibn Umar (r.a.) narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said, "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (grow)". (Sahih Muslim, hadith no 498).

Ibn Umar (r.a.) narrated that Rasulullah (s.a.w) said, "Act contrary to the polytheists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard." (Sahih Muslim, hadith no. 500)

Rasulullah (s.a.w) said, "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard". Reported by Abu-Hurairah (r.a.) in Muslim hadith no. 501.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

There are many ahadith in which the Prophet (s.a.w) told the Sahaba (r.a.) to lengthen their beards and remove their 'tashes.

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all the hadiths u quoted says that u shud TRIM the tash-not remove it completely

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Some guys look very "girly" if they are clean shaven. My younger brother has the same eyes as me...and if one looks closely they'll notice he has really thick lashes. And his features are kinda similar to mine too.

Whenever he shaves his face clean, he doesnt look "manly" enough.

hahahhahaha

I take it you don't expect him to be a forum poster any time in the near future?

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

There are many ahadith in which the Prophet (s.a.w) told the Sahaba (r.a.) to lengthen their beards and remove their 'tashes.

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all the hadiths u quoted says that u shud TRIM the tash-not remove it completely

Actually it say trim closely and i don't think u can getter closer then a 0.5.

"yuit" wrote:

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

There are many ahadith in which the Prophet (s.a.w) told the Sahaba (r.a.) to lengthen their beards and remove their 'tashes.

all the hadiths u quoted says that u shud TRIM the tash-not remove it completely

Actually it say trim closely and i don't think u can getter closer then a 0.5.

true say lilsis, but u know wot i mean. there's not much to trim in a tash anyway (unless ofcourse someones like [url=http://www.thefunnypage.com/moustache/moustache.jpg]this guy[/url]!). yuits explanation makes sense.

From the Hadith i have seen (no reference at the mo), a male should trim his tash so the whiteness of the skin is visible

do you have a tash angel?

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

do you have a tash angel?

It was info for the guys who have a beard/tash. i dont knw why i bother!

why the concern for you then!!!

i think everyone knows...or i presume...that according to Hadith you should trim it

so its less than the beard

it would look silly if it were the same length!

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

why the concern for you then!!!

i think everyone knows...or i presume...that according to Hadith you should trim it

so its less than the beard

it would look silly if it were the same length!

Stop actin so stupid! People are debatin bout the tash....if u knw better get on with it then

"Angel" wrote:

if u knw better get on with it then

thankyou for your conern, but i trimmed it 2 days ago

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

"Angel" wrote:

if u knw better get on with it then

thankyou for your conern, but i trimmed it 2 days ago

good :roll:

you can put your mind to rest now

The daily recitation of a band of angels of Allah is "Holy is the Being who adorned men with beards and [b]women with braids[/b]" (Takmela e Bahr al Raiq, Vol. 3, p. 331)

http://www.islam.tc/beard/beard.html

3 paragraphs up from the bottom

what duz braids mean? Rasta Braids?? [/b]

my cousin kept tellin me its Sunnah to have braids

:?

"Constantine" wrote:

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Some guys look very "girly" if they are clean shaven. My younger brother has the same eyes as me...and if one looks closely they'll notice he has really thick lashes. And his features are kinda similar to mine too.

Whenever he shaves his face clean, he doesnt look "manly" enough.

hahahhahaha

I take it you don't expect him to be a forum poster any time in the near future?

I hope not. He'll just post to tease me and will tell you all embarrassing stuff... :?

Madheia I can control...but that boy very rarely listens to me.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"Constantine" wrote:

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Some guys look very "girly" if they are clean shaven. My younger brother has the same eyes as me...and if one looks closely they'll notice he has really thick lashes. And his features are kinda similar to mine too.

Whenever he shaves his face clean, he doesnt look "manly" enough.

hahahhahaha

I take it you don't expect him to be a forum poster any time in the near future?

I hope not. He'll just post to tease me and will tell you all embarrassing stuff... :?

Madheia I can control...but that boy very rarely listens to me.

lol - hopefully you guys have seperate computers

"SuperTed" wrote:

my cousin kept tellin me its Sunnah to have braids

:?

My mate says the same thing, i think the prophet had it done when he completed one of his Hajj or umrah by all accounts.

rasta braids?

or does it mean a different style?

anything to back it up?

[size=7]if its true.....im goin 4 it!![/size]

The daily recitation of a band of angels of Allah is "Holy is the Being who adorned men with beards and [b]women with braids[/b]" (Takmela e Bahr al Raiq, Vol. 3, p. 331)

Adorned means to decorate.

N it says women with braids not men with braids, ne1 hav any idea?

I got this from a salafi site, it seem the only site that mention it, it has evidence so i don't see nothing wrong with what they say, but it up too you.

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With regards to the issue of men braiding their hair, then there comes in the hadeeth of Umm Haani' bint Abee Taalib where she said, "The Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam traveled to Makkah and he had his hair in four braids." The hadeeth is collected by Aboo Daawood (#4185), Ibn Maajah (#3631 according to Al-Albaanee), and Al-Albaanee authenticates it in Ash-Shamaa'il Al-Muhammadiyyah (#23) and he says in the footnotes, defining the meaning of dhufr (braid): "it is a section of loose hair that is taken and twisted together." (p.35)

Also what comes in the hadeeth of Ibn 'Abbaas in Saheeh Muslim, that he saw Abdullaah ibn Al-Haarith praying with his hair braided back, and Ibn Abbaas unbraided Abdullaah ibn Al-Haarith's hair while he was praying. So Ibn Al-Haarith asks him after the prayer, "What is with you and my head?" Ibn 'Abbaas replied, "Verily I heard the Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam say: Indeed the example of the one who prays like this is like the example of the one who prays with his hands bound." [Saheeh Muslim, see The Prophet's Prayer Described p.143]

And in another narration in Aboo Daawood and At-Tirmithee that At-Tirmithee grades as hasan (an acceptable level of authenticity less than saheeh), "and that (the braids) is the resting place of the Shaytaan."

Al-Albaanee gives a nice faa'idah, he says, "And the meaning of the hadeeth is that if his hair is unplatted or untied and it falls upon the earth when he prostrates, he is given the reward for each hair that touches the ground. So if it is braided back, it becomes as if it does not prostrate. And this parable of it being like hands bound back, is because they (the hands) would not touch the ground during prostration. So I say it appears that this ruling is specific to the men, not the women, as was quoted by Ash-Showkaanee from Ibn Al-'Arabee." [The Prophet's Prayer p.143 arabic edition]

As for dreadlocks, then this is different from braids, as braids can be undone and dreadlocks can not. And there is also the other issue of the dreadlocks being a religious custom of the rastafarians who are mushrikoon

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The society we live in today has had a great impact not only on Muslims but on many other religious people too. This is to such an extent that people are often ready to criticise an injunction of their faith merely because it does not comply with ways, fads or modes of today’s society.

Is this what we call faith?

All religious scholars are unanimous that that all Prophets kept beards. Furthermore, the Prophets have classified the beard as something (that is) part of nature (Fitrah). ‘Allamah Suyuti explains human nature is based on keeping a beard and does not need a special order to be part of a particular faith. Thus, the beard is part of human nature to which all humans (men) have to adhere.

The Prophet of Allah mentions in a Hadeeth 10 points of nature. Out of these ten, he mentions is the lengthening of the beard. Allah the Almighty narrates the incident when Sayyiduna Harun Alaihissalam calls out to his brother Sayyiduna Musa , “O son of my mother! Do not seize (me) by my beard, and nor by my head.” (94:20)

This verse clearly shows that Prophet Harun had a lengthy beard.

The first nation ever to shave their beards was the nation to whom Allah the Almighty sent Sayyiduna Lut , the people of Sadoom ( Sodom). Hadhrat Hasan Basri reports a Hadeeth that the nation of Lut was punished for 10 sins they committed; the Prophet mentioned ‘trimming the beard’ from the 10 sins. These sins then resulted in severe punishments from Allah the Almighty as mentioned in the Holy Quran in numerous chapters. Gradually other nations also started to trim and shave their beards but were less in number. However in the 17th century, the King of Russia, Patrice propagated ‘shaving of the beard’ in Europe and was successful in his mission. In the 20th century, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and western influences swamped nations. By the mid 20th century, these influences had penetrated the Muslim world, which has gradually resulted on corrupting Muslims. Today, this is the reason why we see that most Muslims unfortunately either trim their beard or shave it off.

We have to remember that cultures change day in day out, cultures are man made; hung on man’s ideologies, perceptions and ideas. On the other hand, the Shariah, the Islamic holy divine law is from Allah the creator of all, who is the best of all planners. The Shariah is such that it is compatible to every era till the day of judgement.

In the Shariah (Islamic law), it is Haram (unlawful) for men to shave the beard, this ruling is with the Ijma (consensus) of the scholars of all the Schools of Thought. Among the scholars who have attested to this consensus, include Allamah Mahmood Khattab 6, Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri Hanafi, Allamah Muhammad Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Allamah Hasfaki, Allamah Kamal Ibn Al-Humam Hanafi, Sheikh Ahmad Nafrawi Maliki, Allamah Abu Muhammad Ibn Hazm Zahiri, Allaamah Shaykh ul islaam Ibn Tayimyyah, and many other scholars.

Various present day scholars have misunderstood from what some Shafiee scholars have stated that to shave the beard is Makrooh (disliked). This has been mentioned by Imam Nawawi, Rafi’ee. Allamah Abbadi states, Allamah Ibn Rif’aah refutes this, as Imam Shafiee has mentioned in his famous work Kitab Al-umm, which is thought to be one of his final works: “to shave the beard is Haram.”

This has also been mentioned by Allamah Haleemi, Allamah Qaffal Shashi, Allamah Azrai and many other Shafiee scholars.

There are many Ahadeeth, which clearly state the above. Primarily the famous Hadeeth narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Umar and others that the Prophet ordered us to lengthen our beards. This Hadeeth has been narrated with six different words, all of which refer to lengthening the beard and leaving it alone without interfering. This is why in the Shariah (Islamic law) if one was to shave the beard or trim it to less than a fist length then he will be sinful. Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri writes,“None of the scholars have permitted trimming the beard to less than a fist length.” Various other scholars such as Allamah Hasfaki, Allamah Ashraf Ali Thanwi and Mufti Rasheed Ahmad have mentioned similar to this.

The Prophet ’s beard was dense, and would cover his chest. The Sahaba realised, by the movement of he ’s beard, that the prophet would recite from the Holy Quran in Zuhr and Asr; clearly indicating that the beard was lengthy. In the same manner Hadhrat Abu bakr and Umar possessed a dense beard. Hadhrat Uthman possessed a fine beard stretched out in length where as Hadhrat Ali’s beard was spread in width covering the area between his shoulders. Therefore, when the Prophet ordered us to legthen our beards we have to follow his and his Sahaba’s Sunnah and their method of keeping a beard. The Prophet says, “Hold fast unto my ways and the ways of the guided caliphs after me.”

Hadhrat Molana Hussein Ahmad Madni writes, “It is clearly narrated from Hadhrat Umar , Ammar Ibn Yasir , Abdullah Ibn Umar and Jabir that their beards were more than a fist length, and they would order the Muslims to do the same.” Hadhrat Sheikh Moulana Muhammad Zakaria writes, “It has not been narrated from any of the Sahabah that they trimmed their beards to less than a fist”. When Abdullah Ibn Umar would perform Hajj or Umrah, he would hold on to his beard with his fist and trim the remaining. In reality, we have explicitly been ordered to increase and lengthen our beards without any interference whatsoever, but as Abdullah Ibn Umar and other Sahaba would often trim their beards up to a fist length, the scholars have given permission to do this.

In the eighth year of Hijri, the Prophet sent a letter with Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Huthafah to Feroz, the king of Persia. Feroz tore the letter apart and ordered Bazan, the king of Yemen to send two officers to the Prophet to kidnap him. They arrived in Madinah Munawwarah, on seeing the Prophet , started to shiver. However the Prophet asked them, “Who ordered you to leave your moustache and shave your beard?” They replied, “Our Lord” (referring to their King). The Prophet declared, “But my Lord orders me to trim the moustache and lengthen the beard”. Those who shave their beards should decide for themselves whether their Lord is Allah or someone else! Just imagine how much pain the Prophet must be going through due to all of those people who shave, as these two men were fire worshippers, but never the less, the Prophet could not bear to look at their faces.

Some people have a misconception that lengthening the beard is unattractive. This view is seriously flawed as the Prophets especially Sayyiduna Muhammad possessed great beauty as Allah the almighty chooses those who are perfect in character and creation. It is reported in a narration, “Allah the Almighty sent each and every Prophet with a beautiful face and a melodious voice.” Many Sahaba relate that the Prophet possessed the most beautiful face.

Allah the most wise has distinguished between men and women just as he has distinguished between the male and female animals; and the distinguishing feature in itself holds great beauty. Allah the almighty mentions some of his bounties he has bestowed upon Mankind, he says “He (Allah) fashioned you and perfected your shapes.” (64:40) Some scholars narrate a weak narration “Glory to the one who beautified the men with beards and the women with plaits”. Allamah IbnAl-Qayyim explains, “The beard has many benefits, such as beauty and dignity.”

In many Ahadeeth, the prophet has cursed men who imitate women and those women who imitate men. There is no doubt that shaving the beard is a clear imitation of a woman’s face.

Many scholars have stated that shaving the beard is Tagyeeru Khalqillah (changing the creation of Allah). Allah mentions in the Holy Quran the promise of Satan, “Indeed I will order them (Mankind) to change the nature created by Allah” (4:119). In effect, the one who shaves his beard is obeying Satan. The great Caliph Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz would say, “Shaving the beard is Muthlah (mutilation). Verily the Prophet has prohibited Muthlah”. A similar verdict has also been narrated from the great Imam of Madina Munawwarah, Imam Malik.

The sin of shaving the beard is not only a Kabirah (Major) sin, but it is also Bagawah (open offence). The prophet says, “My nation will be forgiven except those who sin in the night and then boast about their sin the following day.” Although one may not boast about this sin verbally but indirectly, he will boast by showing his face to the people. Some sins are limited to the time of the act or omission, for example, Zina (adultery & fornication) is a grave sin; the sinner is sinning for the duration of that act. Whereas this sin’s time remains for as long as the beard remains shaven or trimmed to less than a fist’s length. The person will be regarded a sinner for every second his face is devoid of a proper beard, therefore sinning for that entire time span. this means it's severity aggregates and persists more than other sins.

In the aftermath of the Tsunami disaster, many Muslims attained the status of Shahadah (Martyrdom). Due to the excess amount of bodies it was difficult to identify each individual. Regarding Salat Ul-Janazah the problem arose that how will we be able to differentiate between a Muslim and non-Muslim? Finally, it was decided that the prayer would be lead upon those deceased who possessed beards. People in the world have hopes that people will benefit them after their death, by performing Salat Al-Janazah and carrying out other deeds. However, in a situation like this, would this be possible?

Similarly in the grave when the deceased is asked, one of the questions is, “What would you say about this person? (Referring to the Prophet ) Some scholars are to the opinion that the Prophet will be present in front of the deceased! How do you think the Prophet will react when he sees a person who has shaved his beard?

Furthermore, on the day of judgement when the Prophet will intercede for the Ummah and quench the thirst of the Ummah at the Hawdh of Kauthar, the angels will stop some of the people. The Prophet will say that these people are from my Ummah (nation); thus let them proceed. The angels will reply, “You do not know what innovations they invented after you”. The Prophet will reply “Destruction for those who innovated after me”. A point to ponder upon is that the Prophet will not recognise these innovators because they will possess beards and their outer Islamic appearance, so what about those who do not possess beards. The Prophet will not need to be informed that these were innovators, as he mentions in another Hadeeth that the deceased will be resurrected in the condition he died in. The Prophet will not even look at these people just as this would hurt the Prophet . The Prophet says, “Whoever so hurts me, displeases Allah. And who ever displeases Allah, is likely to be punished.”

People claim to love the Prophet but still do not keep a beard. What kind of love is this? There was once a poet in the city of Delhi , Mirza Qateel, famous for praising the Prophet . An Iranian citizen decided to visit this poet assuming that he was a great pious scholar. On arriving in Delhi, he was informed that this poet has gone to the barbers. He proceeds towards the barbers and what does he see? The poet is having his beard shaved. He cries out “’O’ the one who claims to love the Prophet , you are shaving your beard!” The poet replies “yes, but I am not hurting anyone’s feelings”, they continued their debate. Finally, the Iranian exclaimed, “you claim that you are not hurting anyone’s feelings, I warn you that you are hurting the feelings of the one who is the leader in this world and the hereafter, the Prophet ”. On hearing this remark, he fainted, when he regained consciousness he accepted and admitted his mistake, repented to Allah, The most forgiving and thanked the Iranian for guiding him.

In reality when a person loves someone, he will fulfil every command of his. We cannot see the love a person possesses in his heart for someone except by his actions. We have been guided to judge people according to their apparent and visible actions. The Prophet has repeatedly said, “I have not been ordered to cut open the hearts of people.” (to see their intention) When a disbeliever recites the Shahadah, he will be classified as a Muslim, despite of what his beliefs are in reality. Thus if a person shaves his beard it cannot be judged that he loves the Prophet . Nowadays we see the love people possess for celebrities and football players, which is evident; people are ready to dress the way they dress, live the way they live; emulating them in every way possible, so why is it that people are not ready to accept the Sunnah of the Prophet ?

Unfortunately, many Muslims nowadays mock and joke about the beard. If someone has a beard, he is labelled a ‘beast’. To make a mockery of any minor order of the Shariah is KUFR without any doubt; the same applies to undermining a sin. The great Muhaddith Allamah Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn Siddiq Al-Gimari says, “To mock the beard is KUFR with the consensus of all the Muslims”. The consequences of this would be that the Nikah (Marriage) would invalidate and renewing the Imaan (faith) will be necessary.

taken from inter-islam.org

"yuit" wrote:

"SuperTed" wrote:

my cousin kept tellin me its Sunnah to have braids

:?

My mate says the same thing, i think the prophet had it done when he completed one of his Hajj or umrah by all accounts.

hey guys, i happen to know summat bout that^ coz one of my bros is always going on about it too:

apparently the Prophet (s.a.w) braided his hair when going into battle.

yes. The braids however did NOT resemble the braids of women.

The braids have also been mentioned in the Shamaail Tirmidhi along with the commentary of the Shaykh Ul Hadeeth of India, Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhlawi. alayhi rahmah.

Any1 who wishes for some more detail may refer to that book with the relevant commentary. It is widely available.

that was an excellent article med...good job you put it up

i hope PPL learn and act upon it.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

apparently the Prophet (s.a.w) braided his hair when going into battle.

See the thing is i have heard it being mentioned in Fiqh that when a woman has braids in her hair and is required to do ghusl then it is ok for her to leave her hair braided as long as she wets her hair properly from the roots to the tips whereas males should unbraid their hair while doin ghusl (so that means braids dont come under the category of being wrong cuz then why wud it even be mentioned in Fiqh?)

EDIT

However the best example would be that of the Holy Prophet's (saw), haven't come across it though.

"white" wrote:

that was an excellent article med...good job you put it up

i hope PPL learn and act upon it.

May ALLAH grant you the happiness you desire.

But the credit goes to the ulama and talaba connected with inter-islam.org.

I merely copied and pasted.

"Angel" wrote:

See the thing is i have heard it being mentioned in Fiqh that when a woman has braids in her hair and is required to do ghusl then it is ok for her to leave her hair braided as long as she wets her hair properly from the roots to the tips whereas males should unbraid their hair while doin ghusl .

i've read that to...BUT why should the men have to unbraid their hair?

"white" wrote:

"Angel" wrote:

See the thing is i have heard it being mentioned in Fiqh that when a woman has braids in her hair and is required to do ghusl then it is ok for her to leave her hair braided as long as she wets her hair properly from the roots to the tips whereas males should unbraid their hair while doin ghusl .

i've read that to...BUT why should the men have to unbraid their hair?

the only reason i can think of the top of my head is men have shorter hair hence its easier for them to un braid and women have longer hair hence could take forever to un braid them, other than cant think of a reason.