"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

can sum1 give ma quick breif statement what Gasht is please?

I think its tabligh...

Lol Med your funny In Milad Mehfils ppl are given "dirty swears" yeh hear it all the time :roll: Its silly not one mehfil of Milad-un-Nabi that i have been to has sworn at those who dont celebrate. All i like to say to those is if you aint got evidence stating Milad-un-Nabi is wrong than hush, if you dont wana celebrate it then dont but leave those to it who want to.

hey its dis bid'ah that some people from the indian subcontinent do....

Actually i am not sure what it is.

It is either a 40 day study circle, or 40 days of preaching. Or something entirely different.

I think I have taken the counter side long enough this thread. It was a joke, but I may have gone too far. if anyone is offfended, PM e and i will remove some statements which have gone too far. (make sure you mention the exact statement which you think is overboard)

If its preaching, I take it you can only preach to men?

(my logic; You state that women should stay at home. Intermingling is banned.)

Btw has anyone heard of an act some ppl do once they get married, straight after that they leave for tabligh? I heard it (duno if its true) it might just be this gasht thing, its rather weird ppl spend time with their wife after marriage ie. honeymoon and these ppl run away from their wife?

women are scary!

:twisted:

Naah I doubt that happens. I cannot see it being islamically acceptable.

there is an incident of a sahabi (I think) who went on jihad on his honeymoon night, and was made shaheed. But that was due to the reason that jihad was declared.

You cannot abandon your spouse straight after marriage.

has anyone read up on the beginings of this thing and can anyone provide proof that this was the way of the sahabahs?
also if it is a bidah then it will esculate and ppl will believe it is part of deen and may misunderstand the way the sahabahs gave dawah under the Prophets command.
any action stuck to for forty days becomes a habit

"Med" wrote:

The 40 gasht is not like this. Firstly there is compulsion to go 40 days, ppl go for 3 days, 10 days, 14 days, half a day etc, 4 months, 1 year etc. There is no compulsion on any set time period. So this is not innovation.

No anti shariah or anti sunnah activities take place. No mixing, no singing, no dancing. Further no abuse is labelled on the people who dont attend, no one stands on the pulpit and calls the non attendees for teh gasht as dirrty kafirs who hate the Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam.

Assalamu Alaikum Med,

From your experience that may be true, and those who began the tabhlighi movement probably had this "voluntary" theory in mind. But unfortunately there are followers who have taken this to another level and made it obligatory in some cases.

For example I was told of one brother whose wife was due to give birth. She already has like 6 to look after. He wouldn't cancel the 40 day trip because he felt it was obligatory and more important than helping his wife through her birth.

Another incident where a brother signed up to go on a 40 day jamat. But later due to another trip he had to take, couldn't go. He decided to get his name off the list. But the organiser said no, since he had signed up he was obligated to go. This organiser went to the point of trying to cancel this brothers other trip via the travel agency without his consent. Only when some local ulema intervened and threatened to prevent this brother arranging further tablighi events did he stop.

The tabilighi method of doing dawah is commendable but there are certain aspects such as the above i don't like. My husband told me very much the same. The main problem is so many ppl join this movement, and don't necessarily have much deeni knowledge, or basic good manners. If ppl of knowledge are carrying out this work it is excellent. But is it wise to allow those ignorant or with bad manners do this sort of work? For every vocation in life there is training, surely these new recruits need training aswell before they start knocking doors?

Although you say 40 days days 3 days 14 days ect is not obligatory it seems as if it is. I mean why was a number of for example 40 days set, it must have arisen from somewhere. Note I'm not trying to discredit the movement just want to understand it.

well it seems that some people have made this Gasht thing compuslory, a must

and according to med, aint that Bidah then? coz altho it may be good innovation, its been made fardh

Would ghast then count as an innovation of the Ahlul Bid'ah?

well as Yashmaki has pointed out, With ACTUAL cases, not made up fairy stories, people have ssemed to make it compulsory and it was non-existant at the time of the beloved rasool (saw), so yes Insector Irfg, it would seem so indeedy

Questions Regarding Jama'ah Tabligh

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Q 1.) For an ordinary Muslim (a businessman, a laborer, a farmer, a professional, etc.) who is not associated with a religious organization, is it Fard, Wajib, or Mustahab to go out for three or forty days, etc. with Jama'ah Tabligh?

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A 1.) Dawah (inviting people to Islam) and Tabligh (conveying the Message) is a collective responsibility of the whole Ummah and an act of great reward as it has been declared a distinguishing characteristic of this Ummah by the Qur'an.[See Albaqarah 2:104, 110. Yusuf 12:108. Hamim Al Sajjdah 41:33]

Dawah falls in two categories:

Inviting Muslims to follow the religion. It has two levels:
Special or Individual. Every Muslim is required to inform his household and people under his care about religious instructions and to forbid them from performing the munkarat (evils). Quran and Hadith clearly declare it a mandatory duty of everyone. ["Everyone of you is a supervisor and everyone will be asked about those given in his supervision…." Hadith]

In addition, if a particular person alone is in a position to influence another person, and there is a major expectation of his effectiveness, the first person is required to try to correct the behavior of the other person, even though the other person may not be his family member or subordinate. ["If anyone of you witnesses an evil, he should correct it by his hand. If he is not in a position to do so, then by his tongue. If he is not in a position to do so then by his heart. And that is the lowest level of Iman." Muslim]

This level of Dawah is Fard Ayn (mandatory individual duty).

Inviting non-Muslims to Islam. Every Muslim in general and the particular group mentioned above, specially would be responsible for this Dawah.
It should be noted that Shariah has not prescribed a special format for the Dawah effort. Whether it is performed by going to homes as Jama'ah Tabligh does, or through writings or publications, or through any other means, the responsibility would be discharged. This explains that it is not Fard Ayn for every Muslim to participate in the work of Tablighi Jamat because a) Dawah at the general level is not Fard Ayn and b) the particular style of work adopted by the Tablighi Jama'ah is not mandated by the Shariah. However, since the work of Tablighi Jama'ah, with the blessings of Allah, has been greatly beneficial and it has proven to be an effective means of countering the work of anti-religious forces, therefore cooperating with this Jama'ah and participating in its work to the maximum extent possible is an act of great reward. Doing it with balance and within the limits prescribed by the jurists is a very effective means of protecting ourselves and the Ummah.

There may be a situation in which participating in the work of this Jama'ah may become Fard Ayn for an individual. Consider the case of a person who has no religious training and who is ignorant of the basic religious teachings concerning his life. For him it is mandatory to seek the minimally necessary religious education and training. If such a person finds no other means of getting this basic instruction other than going out with the Tablighi Jama'ah, then for him it would be required to join this Jama'ah. If this person does have access to other means like sitting in the company of scholars, or joining a religious school, etc. then it would not be mandatory for him to join the Jama'ah. The participation would still be desirable because of the benefits that we have seen through experience.

It should also be noted that different approaches appeal to different people. Some people are influenced by listening to a sermon, others through reading. For some, simple facts have a great appeal, others require in-depth academic discussion. So all approaches should continue for the benefit of their intended audiences.

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Q 3.) Is the particular style of Dawah work started by Moulana Ilyas (and used by Jama'ah Tabligh) established by evidence from the earlier Islamic period?

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A 3.) As was explained in the answer to question #1 above, Shariah has not mandated a particular format for Dawah work. Religious education, Tabligh, Jihad, etc. are different ways of discharging this collective responsibility and they are all important in their own right. The popular format chosen for a given function is an administrative matter. For example, today our religious schools offer instruction for ten months a year, for six days a week, for six hours a day. They also have exams at predetermined intervals. This arrangement has been found useful through experience but it was not used at the time of Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and one cannot find any evidence requiring it in the books of Hadith. However, since this arrangement is not considered mandated by Shariah, but it is only an administrative matter, therefore it cannot be considered a bid'a (innovation).

The format adopted by Tablighi Jama'ah is also an administrative matter, and therefore, is permissible and it does not need any evidence in its favor as long as it is not considered mandated by Shariah. However, for our understanding, it is sufficient to note that all Prophets and Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, himself had gone to the people to invite them to Islam.

It is incorrect to regard the wisdom of going out in Jamaa`h as concrete and solid basis for going out in Jamaa`h as the recommendation of the numbers of days (7, 40, etc) could change.no compulsory rule has been set on matter of days spent towards work of dawah,

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Comments by Justice Mufti Taqi Usmani

I concur with the above Fatwa. The discussion of Fard Ayn and Fard Kifayah included here is in accordance with the juristic evidence. However, it does not diminish the importance of the work of Tabligh and it should not be used as a basis for reluctance in this matter. In our times when the forces of evil are very active, the work of Tabligh and Dawah has assumed special importance and Masha-Allah Jama'ah Tabligh is, overall, discharging this responsibility very well. Therefore, Muslims should cooperate with it. At the same time, efforts should be continued to correct the overstatements (ghuloo) made by some of its members. And Allah knows best.

med there's a way of making your points. If things like intermixing really occurs in the mosque named or other misdemenours you should contact the ulema at those respective mosques. Why try to humiliate them here?

I doubt you would take kindly to ppl mocking the practises of the mosque you attend. Wouldn't you prefer some kind advice?

Make your point to the mosque administration or keep silent.

ive been gankhol shareef mosque in brummy land once

i was impressed, i assume your makin it up again

Now did the Prophet do tableegh for a set period of 40 days?

The original question is still not answered Med. People thinking they HAVE to go fo the full 40 days... by your definition...

IMO it is all good, but my definition overall is diferent from yours.

Tablegh is a Fardh kifaayah (I think). i.e. someone in the community MUST be preaching, or the whole community is sinning. The prblem here is with specifying it for a certain number of days.

(btw where did this 40 days things start from? John the Baptist? (and was he not a prophet?) is he not supposed t have gone to the desert for 40 days? and is Hadhrat Isa (as) not supposed to have done the same thing?)

your right, were all wrong

as usual

cud do that myself....y go mosque for it

lol, no problems

why would they swear at you if you're minding your own business doing your prayers?

aye, unless of course you go there telling them they are wrong, we are right

now where hav i seen that before

So there is evidence for 40 days?

and the evidence is to 'be with god', or become close to god. hmmm. not tableegh, but just being a good believer.

So its allowed as a measure of time? for everything? (ofcourse unless it has a different time scale.Such as ramadan. which is a month.)

"Med" wrote:

mashaALLAH good article.

Now, my response to those who question whether Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam did gasht, is yes He salallahu alayhi wa sallam most definitely did.

Taif is an example of gasht, the fact that Sahabah Karaam are buried in Kandahar, Gawadar, Misr, Shaam Iraq, Cyprus all bear witness to the gasht of Sahabah Karaam.

People, I invite you to Markazi Jamia Masjid Ghamkol Shareef, Golden Hillock Road, Small Heath, Birmingham when they have their saint festivals or milad festival. I will attend, u attend also. Then we shall sit and listen to these big allamahs from pakistan swearing at me, lol u want proof. I have an open nvite, and for the women who lack in modesty, they also have a womens section so they dont have an excuse to miss out on this.

Btw plenty of halwa is gonna be present, now if u aint gonna come after THAT info has come to light, then when will u come?

lol

mashallah keep up the insults, slansder, keep taking mick out of your fellow muslims, your hatred for muslims who are not from your sect is so obvious...
all this must be what you learnt from your madrassah...where else...

"Med" wrote:

Which is actually quite amusing because saint festivals, plates of halwa, qawwalis, lack of full shari beard, lack of purdah, are all distinguishing featursof the socalled ''ahle sunnat val jamat'' of indo-pak. Our sunnah libaas, our simplicity in masajid (yep we dont stick up tinsel and fairy lights for christmas - oops i mean eid (again ghamkol shareef)), our emphasis on shari prudah, on shari' beard etc are all backward and cultural. lol

mashallah...more accusations, insults, micky taking....wow... you're such a cool guy...your madrassah taught you well.... keep it up!

"yashmaki" wrote:

why would they swear at you if you're minding your own business doing your prayers?

sister , this happens in alot of mosques unfortunately

brelwi take mick oput of wahabbi
deobandi take mick out of brelwi
brelwi take mick out of wahabbi
wahabbi take mick out of brelwi

alot of the speeches, programmes ar eto prove each others aqeeda wrong..one says they are bidati, other says they ar emushrik, other says they are gustaak-e rasool.

Med has carried this forward in to this forum..... he should be proud of himself..an dnow he has a small fan club aswell.
Before Med, i never got involved in sectarian topics...but when someone repeatedly has a go at you, at your beliefs, at your principles, views...then you cant stay quiet all the time.
Med has started the fitna of sctariansim on this forum....now it is his responsibility to bring it to an end.....
if not as Moderator I will have to bring him to an end...as i wont allow him to destriy these forums.

"Admin" wrote:

Now did the Prophet do tableegh for a set period of 40 days?

The original question is still not answered Med. People thinking they HAVE to go fo the full 40 days... by your definition...

(btw where did this 40 days things start from? John the Baptist? (and was he not a prophet?) is he not supposed t have gone to the desert for 40 days? and is Hadhrat Isa (as) not supposed to have done the same thing?)

it is not necessary to go out for 3,10 40 days etc. if one is committed, it is never detrimental to do so. One may still involve oneself in the community based and local activities of the Jamaat. why u emphasising on 40 days for? gasht doesnt revolve aroung forty days only! like med said 3 days 4 months 1 year many years no compulsion.

unlike milaad dont attend big thing , oh u dont love the prophet etc..
khatams dont do , oh u dont care about the deceased
dont kiss thumbs durood not accepted

u dont get non of this in tablighi jamaat.

"jazzy" wrote:

unlike milaad dont attend big thing , oh u dont love the prophet etc..
khatams dont do , oh u dont care about the deceased
dont kiss thumbs durood not accepted

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must be in the Milad's u attended :roll:

i never heard a preacher say any of that

dont generalise

"jazzy" wrote:

unlike milaad dont attend big thing , oh u dont love the prophet etc..
khatams dont do , oh u dont care about the deceased
dont kiss thumbs durood not accepted

u dont get non of this in tablighi jamaat.

only uneducated people make the above statement..
also if you read sister yashmaki's statement... some people in tablighi jamaat have made the gasht, 40 days etc compulsory.