Yes in my experience
14% (3 votes)
Yes in my experience
14% (3 votes)
No in my experience
18% (4 votes)
No in my experience
18% (4 votes)
Yes regardless of my experience
14% (3 votes)
Yes regardless of my experience
14% (3 votes)
No regardless of my experience
5% (1 vote)
No regardless of my experience
5% (1 vote)
Total votes: 22
[url=http://www.aauk.org/]Alif-Aleph UK[/url]
I invite anyone interested to get involved and understand or contribute to the common ground of British Muslims and Jews.
got nuffin against jews
jus' israil
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Welcome back 100,
Interesting webpage - goodluck with the initiative
Salam
100. Where have you been ? Its a long time.
By the way, I dont fully understand the question in your poll.
If you can explain, then I will vote.
And whats with Alif ?
Are you trying to learn Arabic ?
Omrow
I think Aleph is the Hebrew letter A, just as Alif is in arabic.
Pointing out similarities between them
Hi! I got too annoyed arguing with Ging Ging.
Alif-Aleph isn't my initiative, more fool me, if you look around the site you'll see its been up and running a while. Today was the first time I came across the website so I had to swallow my pride and share it here.
Omrow, its probably a sign of openness that you don't see the question. It's gauging determination, pessismism and optimism. So either, in spite of difficulties our cultures will have strong ties or they won't, or there are no real difficulties. I started with 'yes regardless', because I have experienced people who would like it to go wrong, but they have not persuaded me to forget everyone else or become resigned.
I hope you intend to stick around
Wheres Med gone?
wherever it is......seems he's taken Ed with him :?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Easy Constantine (Constantine!),
I will have to pop in and out. Thank you. Nice to see you.
Nice to see you again as well
I myself do not see a point behund Alif-Aleph.
We all know we have differences.
We all know that you cannot judge everyone by a few (or even alot) people.
We all know the biggest sticking point is Israel.
Now some will have good relations, others will not. I do not see what a cheerleader can or will do.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin,
You have been running a website and busying yourself with public projects for a while that I believe confront you with the fact that Jews and Muslims and others live here together and can be apart or together as part of the fabric of a proud United Kingdom. I believe you are fairly exceptional in that regard and could contribute a lot to an organisation like Alif-Aleph.
It is one-sided to maintain that Israel is the sticking point. To me the sticking point is slander and isolation.
Israel IS the sticking point.
We admire the fact that the jewish community is far more organised than us. It is far more effective.
The jewish faith is a real faith, though slightly corrupted.
The sticking point IS Israel.
We do not tolerate Israel. You do not tolerate our intolerance of Israel.
Apart from that everything is kosher. We can eat most each other's foods. We both believe in god. We have other differences, but they are only minor. Differences everyone lives with.
I am not against having better relations. That is needed. They can be better. However in regards to israel both sides need to agree to disagree. Massively.
Denying israel as a sticking point is like saying Iraq had nothing with the terrorism in the UK.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin,
I am not denying you that. But for some reason you do not see the value in what I have said. I stick by it.
Much of the common Muslim information about Jews is disgusting slander that justifies responding to your 'sticking points' with a good many more sticking points. The sticking point for Israel is terrorism and refusal to acknowledge it's existence. The sticking point for Jews is slander. Saying the sticking point is Israel gives no hope.
Yea i've noticed that. A lot of the slander muslims and jews believe about each other is derived from Israel. The disagreement on Israel is prolly not gonna go away but some of the detritus that has been cluttering things up so well over the last 30 years can and should definitely be swept away.
You wouldn't believe the stuff some of my friends think about jews and muslims.
Almost comical if they weren't serious
Yes there is alot of slander. But that is life.
That can mostly be overcome.
Israel is a whole other ball game. Consider you with your good muslim pal, enjoying a meal. Turn on the TV, an its Israel/Palestine. Either you both lie to each other, or you resort to fisticuffs. Or acknowledge each others position, saying the other is wrong, but hey what the heck.
There is no compromise on this issue. On either side.
What do I not see value in? You are being too subtle for me.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
The value in acknowledging the effects of slander and propaganda. Two states would be good, but it doesn't work if your soap operas are all about an international bloodthirsty conspiracy.
i got loads of jewish friends and israil makes no bloody difference. this is gods world, not ours, we are only here for a short time, time is something we lack, fighting for land is a waste of time and only leads to misery or short-term victory b4 the next big problem arrives. it wud be great if the land was shared but that is never gonna happen. my jewish mates are all from different nationalities and only 2 are from israil.
100 i remember u doin a thread on the old forum which was called "jews" and u were asking what jews do. I didn't get a chance to reply so i is gonna reply now.
Jews.
1. believe god is weak (why?)
2. Break wine glasses on weddings (why?)
3. Stone women who commit adultery to death (why?)
4. Don't like talking to muslims about thier religion (why?)
5. R not allowed to touch thier wives when they is on thier periods (why?)
6. Them candels look nice (but y? candels are hazerdes)
7. eat funny looking bread (why?)
8. Think wine is a gift from god, put it in ur cooking at then serve it to the muslims (why?)
BUT WHY????
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Salam
100. I still do not understand the question.
And this is why I am abstaining from casting my vote.
I just dont know what is going on. Its very confusing for me.
Omrow
i think he means can muslims and jews get on despite the palastinian conflict...
course they can, there must be somthing wrong wid u if u can't.... well unless ur a palastinin ofcourse....
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
100 isnt around but I can take a stab at some of em, i'm sure he'll correctly if i'm wrong.
1. The Jews believe God is all powerful - as well they should, their very existence and identity is fully dependent upon him. He took them out of slavery in Egypt, punished them by keeping them lost in a very large desert for 40 years - but allowed them to somehow survive, he gave them a homeland (these are former slaves remember), and continued to reward and punish them all throughout history.
Must feel somewhat micromanaged to be a Jew... I can think of no other people on this planet that fully understand just how omnipotent God is.
2. They step on the glass at weddings to symbolize the destruction of the temple.
3. I believe it is Leviticus that says they are to stone adulterers, not up on talmud though so I dunno what their position (if changed at all) is today.
4. ...never met a Jew who was reluctant to talk about Judaism with anybody - maybe thats a British thing, interesting people actually - maybe you should hang out with more Orthodox Jews. You can learn a lot from em.
5. Never heard that before - but it just sounds humane, I mean seriously girls got the short end of the stick on biology when it comes to that.
6. Dunno about candles
7. Mazza is delicious - its to do with the fact all they had when they were getting ready to leave egypt was unleavened bread. I think its now part of the passover celebration.
8. Shouldnt be a problem actually, the problem with wine for islam is alcohol I think, the alcohol actually gets burned out when used in cooking thus you just get the taste of 20 year old grape juice. Its a fantastic catalyst in cooking because it burns so quickly and retains the most taste. (There's a book called the Chemistry of Cooking which goes into that in a little more depth)
well i did hear two of mi jewish mates say that god is weak coz thats y this world is so flawed.
they prolly don't wanna talk about it to me, they know what i am like with mi own religion.
lol u mean [b]in[/b]humane right?
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Dave thanks! Hope you don't mind if some of my answers simply reiterate yours.
Judda,
Another time please feel free to ask for more detail, and I can look things up where my answers are brief or incomplete.
1. We do not believe God is weak. How have you come to that?
You are basically correct. ftr these laws are always overridden if health is at stake. Please Google or ask a rabbi.
2. Even when celebrating our extravagance has limits. The crushed wine glass remoinds us of the loss of the temple. On a similar theme, on Passover we read the Haggadah, texts about the exodus from Egypt, with our families before we eat. It takes a long time. As we recite each of the ten plagues visited upon the Pharoah we take with our finger a drop of wine from our glass, so one for every plague. This is because we are sorrowful even at the hardship of our enemies. We are always to consider the big picture.
3. We do not have a temple and a supreme religious court, so we do not pass biblical punishments. It is a good question and I could spend many hours with many Rabbis learning about these punishments, but ftr they are not observed. I do not study much on the matter these days but I will make a point of it when I am with my family for the upcoming festivals. Please feel free to remind me.
4. Religious Jews cannot discuss Torah with those who are not of goodwill. This is measured by observing basic universal, humanitarian laws given to Noah and believing in God. I follow Rambam (Maimonedes) who says Muslims are upright monotheists and we can discuss Torah with them. In any case, Jews can talk more broadly about anything they like within the bounds of responsible conversation, ie honest and not offensive or stirring. Conversion is welcomed but not sought, and salvation is possible without becoming Jewish, if you are essentially upright.
5. Good question.
6. Candles have lots of symbolic value and I could wax lyrical but I'm being fast, must work. Come off it.
7. Challah loaves were huge loaves prepared in the temple. We still make challah, although it is not necessary if the idea is to begin a meal with bread. Staple food and drinks are considered miraculous and holy. Matzah (dry flat bread, quickly made from flour and water), was all the Israelites had time for when they left Egypt. It keeps well. On Passover we eat it in commemoration, and cannot eat any bread made with yeast. After a while it gets annoying, which is part of the point - we hold it aloft on the two seder nights and proclaim it 'the bread of our affliction'. It sure is. I make a very nice heimishe meal with the leftover matza, called matza brau, which involves soaking the matza, chucking in some eggs and frying it. I top it with loads of sugar and cinnamon.
8. What on earth is that about serving wine to Muslims? There is a dish on Passover which I can think of that contains wine and I guess if you have been served it you should have been warned, would have been an innocent oversight.
Omrow,
I daresay the answer is 'Yes in my experience'.
Judda,
I think you should get clear with your mates whether they are talking on authority or from the top of their heads.
lol obviously they were being blasphemous.
True, it's a matter of politeness not to constantly irritate somebody with their religious views when it has been made clear that you are not interested in hearing.
I think the forum's tried to intimate that to you a couple times...
...have you ever met a girl during that time of month?
They don't [i]want[/i] to be touched, bothered, talked to, irritated, agitated, moved, disoriented, or called.
That's a lesson guys learn the hard way.
lol that's just divine wisdom.
intersting stuff
!
one of my Jewish mates had a book written by a rabbi (cannot remember the rabbis name) and he said something like "[i]we must make the most of this life because this is the only one we may have, god wants good stuff to happen to good people but sometimes he cannot do it, he is not strong enough[/i]"
I'll ask mi mate what the rabbis name was and what the book was called coz i cannot remember....
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
I rang him up and he said the book was called: "When bad things happen to good people" and was written by Rabbi Harold Kushner.
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Judda, thanks for checking. Harold Kushner is a conservative rabbi. I don't have an issue with that but it gives him a lot more leeway on unorthodox interpretations.
One word we use a lot for God is 'the Almighty'.
My education is that we all have free will, and God doesn't intercede much, and that's how come bad things happen to good people. So if that really is his exact wording I do take issue with it but c'est la vie. Taking life from the position that anything can happen and I have free will, basically informs my every move.
I read a book called "To pray as a Jew" which was a guide to the prayer book and the synagogue service / Hayim Halevy Donin written by Donin, Hayim. In the book I found a lengthy explanation of the Prayers as done by the ancient Jews and few of the contemporary Jews. In this book the author put diagrams showing the movement and positions during the prayer. They are very similar to salat/contact prayers as performed by muslims. It is also interesting to learn from this book that the prayers of the Jews involve wash before the prayers, (like Wudu for Muslims), and the call for Prayers (like the Azan for the Muslims). The book was talking about early jews but do u still pray like that today? Did u think Rabbi Judah was correct in saying that u couldn't add a single word to the prayers because it breaks the "Mathamatically composed literature" of the prayers? or don't u believe in the " Mathamatically composed literature" in the prayers?
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
it was deffo somthing they got from the top of thier heads...
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
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