"stupid salafi" wrote:

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

a genuine Peer is one who doesnt call himself a peer

lol den how do u know if he is a peer?

wot do dey call dem selves den

People call them peers but they dont themselves, they just consider themselves as servants of Allah (swt)

It is better to avoid the use of "[i]Taweez[/i]" and "[i]dam[/i]" etc.

Narrated Ibn Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, "Seventy thousand people of my followers will enter Paradise without accounts, and they are those who do not practice [b]Ar-Ruqya[/b] and do not see an evil omen in things, and put their trust in their Lord."

"2" wrote:

"Berachia" wrote:

It is better to avoid the use of "[i]Taweez[/i]" and "[i]dam[/i]" etc.

is it haram tho?

No, not at all. In fact, clearly, most of the ummah will at some time resort to some form of [i]ar-ruqya[/i], which incidentally includes the use of reciting [i]al-fatiha[/i], a cure for any ailment, [i]subhanallah[/i].

"Berachia" wrote:

It is better to avoid the use of "[i]Taweez[/i]" and "[i]dam[/i]" etc.

Narrated Ibn Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, "Seventy thousand people of my followers will enter Paradise without accounts, and they are those who do not practice [b]Ar-Ruqya[/b] and do not see an evil omen in things, and put their trust in their Lord."

What is “ar-ruqya” cuz it seems to that u r talkin about “taweez” and “dam”

If that is the case i dont understand why people who use dam/or taweez before entering paradise be questioned about this act as you are using Allah (swt) divine words to seek healing so you are turning to your Creator to help you :?

Can you give me the reference to the above Hadith please.

[b]Question: [/b]What is the ruling on wearing an amulet (ta’weez)? People have the belief that wearing a string around the neck will protect them, when surely only Allah protects. Please tell me the ruling on wearing this, for many people say that it is shirk.?

[b]Answer:[/b] via this link: (as admin is gona start moanin bout postin long stuff :twisted: )

http://daruliftaa.com/questions.asp?intPage=1&strNavDir=next&txt_Categor...

member "2" it wasn't my house my parents invited him, im just a child in my parents eyes. Sure i voiced my criticisms as did all of my brothers but my parents ignored us, can't really blame me or my brothers for a parental decision.

i can't remember that hadith let me look it up first please , see i'm not clever at all.

i may be wrong but doesn't that hadith you're referring to, comment on major shirk. Our prophet (Saw) never feared major shirk such as worshipping other Gods or idols for the muslim ummah. But he did fear that they would resort to fighting each other for worldy gains, and end up destroying each other. Is this the hadith you're on about?:

narrated by ‘Uqbah Ibn Amir and collected in the Sahihayn [Bukhari and Muslim]: ‘Rasul-Ullah (sall-Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) ascended the minbar, and it was the last time I saw him on the minbar. He said: ‘I do not fear that you will become mushrikuns after me, but I fear that, because of worldly interests, you will fight each others, and thus be destroyed like the peoples of old.’

This doesn't mean we won't commit minor shirk though. Coz there are other ahadith which i haven't dug out, maybe someone can help me out which say things like "of all that will befall you shirk is what i fear more". These refer to minor shirk.

But i'm not a hadith scholar so don't take my word for it. I can't comment further on it no knowledge here sorry.

P.S look at us Muslims today can we really say we don't commit acts of shirk? :roll:

There may be ahadeeth on this topic. But that doesnt mean we should be lax and say oh the ummah is not going to fall into shirk so we dont need to worry.

Firstly its a fact some muslims have in the past and in the present apostated and committed shirk. Once they did that they no longer remained in this ummah. So clearly any person who claims to be a muslim and commits shirk, he is not in this ummah so no fear of shirk being in us.

Secondly we also have a hadeeth which states to the fact that imaan will return to Madinah Munawwarah just as a snake returns to its hole. In this light, it can be seen that the nation of true believers will diminish and flock to Madinah Munawwarah whilst kufr engulfs the rest of the world. Again the people who remain in this ummah will be in this ummah because they are free from shirk.

yes all shirk is bad i agree, but hadith scholars seem to interpret the hadiths referring to particular types of shirk to highlight that these hadith don't contradict each other, even if they appear to at first sight.

Talk about grave worshipping my brother saw in in ajmer sharif, in india. It's a place to which a lotta muslims regularly send letters infused with prayers and a wad of cash in return for a miracle cure in the form of a talisman. Well my brother visited this place let's just say he was shocked at what he saw.

My husband tells me it's worse in Bangladesh they have a Shah Jalal shrine. Course Shah Jalal never ordered this, ppl did it against his wishes. Not just grave worship takes place there if you know any Bengalis who have been there ask them what takes place im sure youll be shocked :shock: i was.

Those who are lax in fearing shirk:

[i]Sayyidna Abu Musa al Ashari radhiyallahu anh narrates.

One day the Messenger of ALLAH salallahu alayhi wa sallam delivered a sermon saying:
"Oh People, fear shirk for it is more hidden than the creeping of an ant."
Those whom ALLAH wished, asked: "And how do we avoid it when it is more hidden than the creeping of an ant, O Messenger of ALLAH salallahu alayhi wa sallam?"

He salallahu alayhi wa sallam replied:

"Say -
Oh ALLAH we seek refuge in You from knowlingly committing shirk with You and we ask Your forgiveness for what we do not know about"[/i]Musnad Ahmad, Tabarani

Here the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam is warning - warning who? - warning the SAHAABAH Karaam - to beware of shirk. When this is the warning on those who were chosen at the beginning of creation to be the Companions of Nabi Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam then the people today are even more deserving of this warning.

Ya ALLAH grant us tawheed and save us from shirk.
Make our end on imaan and save us from kufr.
Ennoble us with sunnah and protect us from bid'aat.

ameen Ya Rabbal Alameen.

"yashmaki" wrote:

i may be wrong but doesn't that hadith you're referring to, comment on major shirk. Our prophet (Saw) never feared major shirk such as worshipping other Gods or idols for the muslim ummah. But he did fear that they would resort to fighting each other for worldy gains, and end up destroying each other. Is this the hadith you're on about?:

narrated by ‘Uqbah Ibn Amir and collected in the Sahihayn [Bukhari and Muslim]: ‘Rasul-Ullah (sall-Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) ascended the minbar, and it was the last time I saw him on the minbar. He said: ‘I do not fear that you will become mushrikuns after me, but I fear that, because of worldly interests, you will fight each others, and thus be destroyed like the peoples of old.’

Yes. That hadith is quoted six times in Bukhari Shareef.

Another intresting hadith on this subject is the following which I heard in a study circle

The Holy Prophet which has been narrated by Abu Ya'la, from Hudhaifa and about which Ibn Kathir said, "It's chain of transmission is good." Abu Ya'la said,

"The Prophet has said, "One of the things that concerns me about my nation is a man who studied the Qu'ran, and when its grace started to show on him and he had the appearance of a Muslim, he detached himself from it, and threw it behind his back, and went after his neighbour with a sword and accused him of associating partners with Allah.'

I then asked, "Oh, Prophet of Allah, which one is more guilty of associating partners with Allah, the accused or the accuser?' The Prophet said, "It is the accuser.'"

"2" wrote:

the koran tells us that u must not accuse without proof

it says that god will NOT forgive shirk, major or minor shirk, (if maintained till death and da person did not re-do thier shahada.)

.

Agreed.

"2" wrote:

So what u quoted was a very dodgy, weak ahadith and by no means will it abrogate the word of the most wise.

Your entitled to your view. It doesnt bother me what you think.

I'm secure in my belief.

"2" wrote:

"mod" wrote:

[b]POST EDITED: SLANDEROUS PERSONAL INSULTS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED [/b]

THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU LET PEOPLE CALL ME "BUDDA JUDDA" :?: :?: :?:

Because you invite that sort of name calling.

It's interesting that as 'E20' you were very mature and grown up.

It just reaffirms the idea that your contention that you are 14 years old is a big fat fib. And the fact that you act immature is to get on everyone's nerves.

You shouldn't be surprised if you get called names. In fact it's what you crave.

erm... name calling is not nice.

Cab people refrain from it. even for Juddah/2/

(I admit that I have ocasionally used the name Judas for him....)

"Admin" wrote:

erm... name calling is not nice.

name calling is not nice

but slander is worse

I was accused of being a "grave worshipper" even though I have NEVER visited a grave in my 18 years of existence on Earth

they give me the creeps

and others members joined in

so his SLANDEROUS post was edited and some were deleted

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

erm... name calling is not nice.

name calling is not nice

really? you do that at times lilsis & so do a few others at times.

really it is not nice

"naj" wrote:

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

erm... name calling is not nice.

name calling is not nice

really? you do that at times lilsis & so do a few others at times.

really it is not nice

I know I do-I dont deny that

but I never slander people

but calling me a graveworshipper he's slandering me as well as accusing me of commiting Shirk

I think thats a bit worse then mere name calling :roll:

course such accusations are not abit worst but ALOT worse

but since you dont deny name-calling BUT clearly state its not nice...maybe you should go about putting a stop to it yea.

"naj" wrote:

but since you dont deny name-calling BUT clearly state its not nice...maybe you should go about putting a stop to it yea.

as soon as perosnal slander of grave worshipping/halwa lovin etc stops

I'll stop the name calling