MashaAllah it's great that they've realised their mistake and are rectifying it

That bit where the speaker says he wishes Assad's face turns into a pig made me feel uncomfortable :/ is that an ok thing to say?

From watching the start of that video, I will suggest that they were more correct before then they may be now.

They will suddenly pretend to be 70 years old.

Why were they 'more' correct before?

Just cuz u don't like talks...

Hmm.. Well, i think it took them a very long time to realise what they were doing and decide they were against it.. I think its become very personal and they've started to hate DOABM! Also, the speaker seems to be too harsh and 'forces' the listener not to question his talk.

I've not listened to many of the speakers talks nor am i aware of his level of knowledge. To me though he doesn't seem to be very current in his approach of giving dawah. I mean what is the actual purpose of the recent 'attacks' on DOABM and Humza more specifically.

I mean if he was trying to give naseeha to the actors or the viewers of their show, then in view he has failed terribly. I also think he's just giving the show more attention.

I don't agree with alot of the things on DOABM but i only hate those things that i see they are doing wrong, i don't judge anyone on the show personally. People need to understand that alot of the young muslims in Britain are sadly misguided and unfortunately heavily affected by the society around them.

Ofcourse they are accountable for their own actions but so are those who have been guided to Islam. Alot of 'practicing' muslims just wrongly pass judgement on those who aren't 'practicing' instead of making dua for them and advising them wisely.

None of us should think that we are better or closer to Allah than anyone else, Allah is the judge. The worse thing is, is that many muslims in the UK get up to alot worse. This approach seen in this video in my view wasn't wise and not very islamic.

Foysol89 wrote:

This approach seen in this video in my view wasn't wise and not very islamic.

Its truee. The speaker mentions how we always judge Shaytaan by saying that he'll be going to hell, but then compares that to a human being. I simply don't see the connection! Humans are created differently and are made special because this life is a learning curve- We ask forgiveness, learn from our mistakes and move on. And there is also a 'possibility' that Humza could change and who knows what lies ahead in the future for him..

_Me_ wrote:

BUT, the speaker did say all the right things.. even though it was really harsh, buts I suppose its the truth!

Well, there was no need to make it soo public, they could've just had a personal chat.. (Im sure there hasn't been any recent DOABM episodes.. did it finish?)

_Me_ wrote:

They made it public to make people realize about this guy and the negative influence he may have on kids who watch it!

I mean, since he started the videos.. I've always heard someone say 'Yo blad' or 'Wag1 Taliban' which- is really pathetic if you think about it.

But thats with anything then isn't it? You always hear people trying to imitate what they see on TV/'Youtube', its just in their nature (to want to be the 'cool' one, the one who knows the 'new' lingo and to make others laugh..)

_Me_ wrote:

Yeh but if children as young as 8 don't even know their 12 times tables, why let something they see on youtube brainwash them!? Clearly not sending a positive message in most of the video anyway, and these guys are correct to oppose what he's doing

LOL, maybe its because we never see anyone singing their twelve times table except for in school or on the way home!

And yeeep, totally agree that most of his videos did not have a positive message except for the end

I decided to go on their twitter page and someone had said to them that they should have privately corrected Humza. Their reply was that they tried and he didn't listen so they had to do this.
I think they felt it was their duty to tell *everyone* not just Humza cuz they were part of something they consider wrong and so they were in effect helping to misguide people. And that's not a small thing!
I think the speaker is pretty powerful and perhaps it was too harsh, but it certainly got the message across. Can't remember if he called Humza evil or what he's doing evil? If it was the former, then that's wrong. I had seen other people say he's mocking Islam etc but did find them extreme but tbh with the examples this speaker uses I'm thinking it's not extreme, and not far from what I believed in the first place about him using the wrong means to guide people.

When it comes to judging people though, I find it hard to know what the right stance is.
What I mean is, you have to think of yourself as not being better than others but then you have to use your brain and know that sometimes people really are misguided! And although obviously you should believe that they're not bad, and it's the *action* that's wrong and that they are capable of changing. BUT you gotta be wary of being around such people and listening to such people. Especially when they're mixing good with bad and make it seem good. That just leads to confusion and is just wrong.

But then everyone's like "ah it's wrong to judge people blah blah blah" and then I feel bad. I mean it's not like I'm thinking I'm perfect but I'm simply recognising what may not be good for me. I mean how else are you meant to surround yourself with good people, pick the best friends etc like the Prophet (Saw)? You have to judge people surely!

@Foysol - he used human examples too!

Err sorry about the rant. I have issues.

I love your "rant" Tpos. I totally agree with everything. but ive got to admit when he went into the whole Assad's a pig, he should be swallowed then spit back then displayed next to his "brother" i got a bit put off...

i just hope the crew arent doing this to get back at Humaza somehow..and that whatever vid is going to come out (if it hasnt already today) tomorrow isnt going to be Humza blaming/bashing. coz that would defeat the whole purpose of everything

and it seems on youtube, this Shaykh was the only one who talked abt doabm and condemn it. i dont know if im crap at researching but i didnt find many vids condemning him.. oh! except for Abu Mussab. maybe looking at recommended vids on side wasnt enough research...

This "expose" is moronic IMO.

Never liked DOABM due to his voice.

but people are not born at the age of 70 and people dont always want to be lectured to. It simply doesnt work and goes against the principle of using hikmah/wisdom.

I would never in a hundred years listen to the moronic lecture at the end of that. Its just offputting and pushes people away from Islam.

@ Golden Darkness. Totally agree, just not the right approach plus lack of understanding of the youth. 

Nothing against the speaker but IMO got this one wrong but insha Allah his intentions were in the right place. Giving Dawah aint easy, sometimes you're right and sometimes you're wrong. 

Not saying i agree with all of Humzas work either but Allah knows best. 

EDIT: It's not breaking into paragraphs!!!!

Foysol89 wrote:

EDIT: It's not breaking into paragraphs!!!!

It is now!

yeah...Muhammad Abdul Jabbar...he screams a lot. even though all he said in that vid was true i didnt like the way he said it or some of the things he said.

and as for badman. i was into it at beginning, kinda ignoring the music (trying) but then it got too much..with the girls..so i thought.. "this is more bad than good" and stayed out of it. my bro wanted to see it and i explained to him. tried to anyway. and Alhamdoulillah he understood.

and badman did a LOT of vid. and throughout the course of his making vids there were warning out there. i dont know if those warnings ever reached him but..he should have stopped a while back. i know Abdul Jabbar shouldnt have shouted like this..but maybe that was a good thing, for all the people who have followed badman from the beginning to the end...

May Allah guide us Allah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnVu4V0XDgw

Finally, some sense.

_Me_ wrote:

Northen Southener wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnVu4V0XDgw

 

WOW

He actually sounds REALLY innocent... 

Maybe he wasn't in the wrong after all?

Hmm interesting he says no one spoke to him in private. :/

I think they were both wrong in their approach. Nice response vid though!

May Allah guide us all.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I think they were both wrong in their approach. Nice response vid though!

May Allah guide us all.

I havent seen enough of DIary of a Badman to disagree, but I think I will just for the sake of it.

Too easier to get holier than thou. I know because I have been there myself.

Islam is not for angels only, but for the real people with real lives and real issues and real thoughts.

Maybe he reached them better than a lecture full of anger by someone pretending to be 70.

I don't think you get the point. I'm not saying having a laugh is haraam. I'm saying there is a limit, just like with everything else. 

You can't give the right message by doing the wrong things, the ends don't justify the means.

And I said before, the guys in the vid were too harsh.

Both need to find the balance. And even Humza says he realises now that he's been doing some wrong stuff and will try to change...

(P.S everyone I know who's watched his vids talks more about the funny and rude stuff he says than the positive messages at the end, but then again clearly others, like Golden Darknesses friends, don't have the same response to his vids...)

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

(P.S everyone I know who's watched his vids talks more about the funny and rude stuff he says than the positive messages at the end, but then again clearly others, like Golden Darknesses friends, don't have the same response to his vids...)

Subconscous learning.

and a change in perception from seeing things from a new angle.

Not something that will be normally discussed or noticed.

Whatever, point still stands. Islam does not allow wrong means to get the right end. Little kids who aren't old enough to appreciate what he's doing just go around shouting "tutti" etc and acting like a badman isn't great either. 

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Anyway, stop making me sound extreme! I won't reply back now. I just want to say I have nothing against having a laugh etc and I know he has influenced loads of people but he needs to keep the haraam stuff out. His voice was annoying but I kinda made myself carry on watching a number of vids cuz well mainly cuz everyone used to always go on about them and I did find them funny and I do think he has the right intention, which is pretty clear from his response vid too. 

He's managed to capture a very large audience which is more than can be said for those who hate him. And it's not because the audience think everyone else is watching this so I must too, but more because they can relate to the material some way.

Being stuck at home (mainly in the bedroom) with nothing to do, mum in the kitchen cooking or shouting orders, a father that's spoken about but never in the home. That's exactly how it was for me growing up too.

And the haram we talk of... what is it? the free mixing and the "dissing the mother" stuff?

Well, all that is how a lot the youngsters watching these clips feel. That's what they see, that's their life. He's not trying to say this how you should live, but in trying to reach out to them he must, in his internet drama, create a scene that is familiar to his audience.

The way I see it is Stage One is complete. He;s managed to say to the lost youth "you know what, you're not alone. I'm here with you and going through what you're going through"

Now what he needs to do is carry on almost as before, but in season two (if that's where he's up to) start introducing changes like how he's going to search for ways to overcome some of these issues that he's faced up to now.

And by Season Ten he'll have the kids (followers / fans) thinking "woah - if Hamza can do it, why can't I?"

And then we'll live happily ever after like one big happy functional family.

People keep going on about the whole "relating to the youth" business but I think that's a bad excuse. 

At the end of the day, the Prophet didn't do haraam to make people feel like they could relate to him and then change. He used love, and kindness and showed people the beauty of Islam to attract them to it. He showed them they could be better than what they are and made them see what they were doing was bad, through his actions etc. He didn't act anything out! 

The sahabah struggled too - take for example that hadith which mentions one of the sahabi looking at a female and the Prophet just made him look down. They were human too, and they found ways to deal with issues, bring both the youth and the old who were stuck in their ways to change, and completely revolutionalise their lives.

They didn't need to swear and act like they have gf's or whatever. 

We maybe in completely different times, but the Prophet was for all times; his teachings and the methods he used. Let's try to use them.

(And when I said I wouldn't reply, I meant to You, who kept making me basically repeat the same comment! )