Beattie wrote:

But is her case not different? Can we really relate to that?

I think her case is different and we can't relate to it

I've always thought of her being a Muslim...[/quote]

Wasnt she Jewish? Of course Islam came after Christianity but as we believe Islam is the one true religion (which is why we say reverts and not converts)[/quote]

...which is why *you* (and many others) say reverts and not converts. I find calling them reverts to be condescending.

Being pure in nature is like being a muslim, but not the same - being Muslim requires actual choice.

As for Hadhrat Maryam (as), she was muslim in the sense that she followed the correct religion (correctly) of the time.

I think we believe that the ancestoral lineage of of all the prophets was "pure", as in they were monotheists (but this is clouded when in the qur'an it is mentioned that Prophet Ibrahim (as)'s father was an idol maker... but it has been interpreted by some to say that by "father", it means uncle and that he was raised by his uncle.)

Beattie wrote:

I dont think the case of Maryam is relevant. She was an unmarried pregnant woman yes, but as the story goes she was a virgin.

It is relevant and not relevant at the same time. None of these people will be like her, but at the same time, it does signify how every situation is different and tarring everyone under the same brush will cause problems.

You wrote:

I think we believe that the ancestoral lineage of of all the prophets was "pure", as in they were monotheists (but this is clouded when in the qur'an it is mentioned that Prophet Ibrahim (as)'s father was an idol maker... but it has been interpreted by some to say that by "father", it means uncle and that he was raised by his uncle.)

really? learnt something new today

malik wrote:

A Shia Muslim girl would never commit fornication because Allah would protect her because she loves Imam Ali.
Sisters who do not love Allah's chosen Imam are vunerable. They easily engage in haraam sexual activity when the right oppertunity arises. Only love for Imam Ali whom Allah has blessed saves you from sins. Without Allah's protecttion it is very very hard to stay away from pleasures of lust.

Ya Ali Madaad !!

[Shia man married me, now dumping me while pregnant! Maybe, brother, instead of making announcements here, remind your brothers about Allah there ]

first let me clear some misunderstanding , killling in islam or any other punishment is still judgemental , in islam adulty is forbeden as much as killing someone , but to reduce any crime there should be a strong punishment .in USA for example after paning death punishment it was returned after increase in crimes.

I received one comment but i cant view here , However , some Muslims are restricted by traditions and culture more they are considering Islam teaching . which make people think this is from Islam while it is not .
I will try to make it sample :
There is a punishment for breaking a law
There is subsequent for breaking a law
There is mercy
When the Muslim society was small ( only a view people ) applying mercy for crimes will increase the number of crimes , so there was a reason for punishment at this time , by the increase of number of Muslim throw time , the need for punishment decreased and nowadays non-Muslim only see the ugly face of Islam because of Muslim behavior to concentrate on the punishment to advertise for Islam.

SMuslims are restricted by traditions and culture more they are considering Islam teaching . which make people think this is from Islam while it is not.
I will try to make it sample:
There is a punishment for breaking a law
There is subsequent for breaking a law
There is mercy
When the Muslim society was small (only a view people) applying mercy for crimes will increase the number of crimes, so there was a reason for punishment at this time, by the increase of number of Muslim throw time , the need for punishment decreased and nowadays non-Muslim only see the ugly face of Islam because of Muslim behavior to concentrate on the punishment to advertise for Islam.

It differ from a Muslim country to another Muslim country , in some countries you can keep the baby and give the education and health care , in some countries you can keep him but without giving him the rights of education and health .

Killing some is a sin by it self which all agree with.