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The truly pious people have this aura about them...they have radiant faces….gentle, soft and patient dispositions. And a generosity as large as the ocean. Also, you cant help but love them.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
The truly pious people have this aura about them...they have [b]radiant faces[/b]….gentle, soft and patient dispositions. And a generosity as large as the ocean. Also, you cant help but love them.

not sure about radient face

to be frank i find it sumwhat racist

[i]On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief ? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved. [/i]Quran 3:106- M Pictall translation

:?

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

Racist? :?

How thou?

I think the sis meant, that they have Noor on their faces and a glowing shine to them...
The ones hu have been truly blessed by Allah.

Radiance, i.e. the Noor (light) that shines on the faces of pious people should not be taken literally.

It is possible for a black person to be blessed with this Noor and for a really fair person to have a face clouded over with “darkness”.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
Radiance, i.e. the Noor (light) that shines on the faces of pious people should not be taken literally.

It is possible for a black person to be blessed with this Noor and for a really fair person to have a face clouded over with “darkness”.

thank u MS

now that makes sense

god bless u

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

Is Sufism an inward journey toward God - like say a Buddhist Monk who reflect upon themselves and their relationship with (God), or is it an outward journey like Franciscan Monks who concentrate on an ascetic lifestyle and service to others?

Is it primarily about knowledge or actions?

all of that

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"Odysseus" wrote:
Is Sufism an inward journey toward God - like say a Buddhist Monk who reflect upon themselves and their relationship with (God), or is it an outward journey like Franciscan Monks who concentrate on an ascetic lifestyle and service to others?

Is it primarily about knowledge or actions?

More inward than outward.

Whilst it is established that seclusion, cutting yourself off from the world, giving up food/sleep etc is part of Sufism.....it is possible to live amongst people and still practise seclusion (if that makes sense)

The emphasis lies in the inner condition...it is said that the best Sufi is the one who buys, sells, interacts with others in the market but never forgets God for a single moment.

Its neither knowledge and actions....its more based on your intention.

Cos according to Islamic belief Saten was not lacking in knowledge...but his pride led to his downfall (which is a inner condition)

Furthermore, there are many accounts of martyres, scholars, generous people etc who were thrown in hell because their actions were based on love of praise from people...in other words their intentions were wrong which is a inner condition.

as for Sufism i would love to go out in a secluded place a cave somewhere high up where i cud then properly isolate myelf and come into teh state of Halwa, Jalwa dedicate my self 100% to teh Allmighty

inshallah one day soon i will if the grace of Allahswt is bestow upon me reach my ulterment goal become the vry best servant he deserves or even supreme become as beloved shayke says not just a friend but Allmight Allah swt best friend.

Ameen

A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil

state of halwa?
isn't that something you eat?

Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.

"zara" wrote:
state of halwa?
isn't that something you eat?

no sis its the state of seclusion and jalwa is the company.

as our beloved Prophet saw started to love seclusion khalwa he use to leave makkah and go to the cave of hira where he would be in the company of (Julwa) the Allmighty.

at camp this year honourable shayke gave a beautiful lecture about teh topic of Khalwa and Julwa

A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil

i get it now, thanks
what camp are you talking about?

Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.

"zara" wrote:
i get it now, thanks
what camp are you talking about?

Al-Hidayah which took place this year cant help but say 4 allhamduallah spirtuval days!
check out link below it will give u a greater insight if ur intrested sis
http://www.al-hidayah.co.uk/

A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil

khlawa must get lonely

these days i wake up around 10 and mums gone mosque, bro/sis etc in school/uni, dads at work

i feel very lonely eating my breakie all by myself Cray 2

Seclusion doesnt have to be, were one is physically away from other humans.

The best seclusion is when one is around other people, yet his heart is elsewhere.

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

"razor" wrote:
The best seclusion is when one is around other people, yet his heart is elsewhere.

That has diferent names. Two of them being woolgathering and daydreaming.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

"Admin" wrote:
"razor" wrote:
The best seclusion is when one is around other people, yet his heart is elsewhere.

That has diferent names. Two of them being woolgathering and daydreaming.

Another two being Muraqabah and Tasawar

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

"MuslimSister" wrote:

I've always believed that the heart and the soul IS the same thing...this agitation that we feel in our heart when we do something wrong....or this coolness/peace that we feel in our heart when we do Dhikr is in actual fact what the soul is feeling.

I believe that the soul dwells in the heart.

thanks muslim sis - this makes sense

"laila" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:

I've always believed that the heart and the soul IS the same thing...this agitation that we feel in our heart when we do something wrong....or this coolness/peace that we feel in our heart when we do Dhikr is in actual fact what the soul is feeling.

I believe that the soul dwells in the heart.

thanks muslim sis - this makes sense


that doesn't make sense to me. the heart doesn't necessarily start beating faster when we sin. it's an organ. when we die, it dies too. but the soul lives on, and is lifted to the heavens. 'heart' and 'soul' may be used interchangeably in our language as they are seen to be synonyms, but in actuality i don't believe they are.

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"*DUST*" wrote:
"laila" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:

I've always believed that the heart and the soul IS the same thing...this agitation that we feel in our heart when we do something wrong....or this coolness/peace that we feel in our heart when we do Dhikr is in actual fact what the soul is feeling.

I believe that the soul dwells in the heart.

thanks muslim sis - this makes sense


that doesn't make sense to me. the heart doesn't necessarily start beating faster when we sin. it's an organ. when we die, it dies too. but the soul lives on, and is lifted to the heavens. 'heart' and 'soul' may be used interchangeably in our language as they are seen to be synonyms, but in actuality i don't believe they are.

there are two hearts tho, inner and outer. the physical organ and ur spiritual heart, the one which if sick requires dhikr. the physical one requires physical medicine

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

"Sirus" wrote:
"*DUST*" wrote:
"laila" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:

I've always believed that the heart and the soul IS the same thing...this agitation that we feel in our heart when we do something wrong....or this coolness/peace that we feel in our heart when we do Dhikr is in actual fact what the soul is feeling.

I believe that the soul dwells in the heart.

thanks muslim sis - this makes sense


that doesn't make sense to me. the heart doesn't necessarily start beating faster when we sin. it's an organ. when we die, it dies too. but the soul lives on, and is lifted to the heavens. 'heart' and 'soul' may be used interchangeably in our language as they are seen to be synonyms, but in actuality i don't believe they are.

there are two hearts tho, inner and outer. the physical organ and ur spiritual heart, the one which if sick requires dhikr. the physical one requires physical medicine

Also, the physical and spiritual heart are connected, according to philosophers such as Imam Ghazali, Shaykh-ul-Akbar Ibn Arabi and Ibn Taiymiyya, who all claim that if the spiritual heart is diseased, it will have an effect on the physical heart.

The scholors have said that when the spiritual heart is not getting enough "vitamin"(in this case rememberance), then the individual may go through, what in modern day is known as a mid-life crisis. where life seems boring, n doesnt make sense, n the individual feels a lack of fulfilment.

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

razor and sirus, i agree we have a physical heart and a spirtual 'heart', otherwise known as one's soul, and that the state of one's soul may have an effect on one's physical state. what i wasn't so sure about from MS's post was 'the heart and the soul IS the same thing... the soul dwells in the heart'.

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"razor" wrote:

Also, the physical and spiritual heart are connected, according to philosophers such as Imam Ghazali, Shaykh-ul-Akbar Ibn Arabi and Ibn Taiymiyya, who all claim that if the spiritual heart is diseased, it will have an effect on the physical heart.

The scholors have said that when the spiritual heart is not getting enough "vitamin"(in this case rememberance), then the individual may go through, what in modern day is known as a mid-life crisis. where life seems boring, n doesnt make sense, n the individual feels a lack of fulfilment.

I strongly agree with the above.

For instance, over-eating affects the spiritual as well as the physical heart...in the same way we literally feel agitated and uneasy/depressed when we sin, this is felt by the both the physical and the spiritual heart.

The soul does dwell in the heart-the spiritual heart, which can at times affect the physical heart.

Salam

Know ye all what the matter is
Tis not tuning to waves on high
Nor feasts of heavenly food
Nay, thy lobe hungers for honesty

Omrow

God has given us a dark wine so potent that,
drinking it, we leave the two worlds.

God has put into the form of hashish a power
to deliver the taster from self-consciousness.

God has made sleep so
that it erases every thought.

God made Majnun love Layla so much that
just her dog would cause confusion in him.

There are thousands of wines
that can take over our minds.

Don't think all ecstacies
are the same!

Jesus was lost in his love for God.
His donkey was drunk with barley.

Drink from the presence of saints,
not from those other jars.

Every object, every being,
is a jar full of delight.

Be a conoisseur,
and taste with caution.

Any wine will get you high.
Judge like a king, and choose the purest,

the ones unadulterated with fear,
or some urgency about "what's needed."

Drink the wine that moves you
as a camel moves when it's been untied,

and is just ambling about.

beautiful :o

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

I read in a book that sufism was around before Muhammad Dirol

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"TEX" wrote:
I read in a book that sufism was around before Muhammad Dirol

In the religious History of the world, you have many "Sufis". Khidr a.s. was around before the Time of Sayidina Musa a,s, In the times of the prophets, they influenced people to such a level, that they attained closeness to Allah swt. If you read about the characters of all the prophets, you will see an embodiment of sufic thought, just read about Jesus/Isa a.s. they were very highly spiritual, and after Isa a.s. and before the holy Prophet s.a.w came, there were many christians, who can be considered Sufis, because they devoted there entire life to Allah swt, and the work of the lord.

Saint George of what is today greece is an example. They embodied the Sufic way, but obviously not the way we have prescribed to us today. And, infact, more proof of this, although an opression on saint george from his peoples, is the fact that saint georges body, is preserved in a see through glass coffin in a church in greece. And, according to reliable sources, this body lays there, as if it has only died an hour ago, there is no sign of decay.

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

Fool

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"MuslimSister" wrote:
"razor" wrote:

Also, the physical and spiritual heart are connected, according to philosophers such as Imam Ghazali, Shaykh-ul-Akbar Ibn Arabi and Ibn Taiymiyya, who all claim that if the spiritual heart is diseased, it will have an effect on the physical heart.

The scholors have said that when the spiritual heart is not getting enough "vitamin"(in this case rememberance), then the individual may go through, what in modern day is known as a mid-life crisis. where life seems boring, n doesnt make sense, n the individual feels a lack of fulfilment.

I strongly agree with the above.

For instance, over-eating affects the spiritual as well as the physical heart...in the same way we literally feel agitated and uneasy/depressed when we sin, this is felt by the both the physical and the spiritual heart.

The soul does dwell in the heart-the spiritual heart, which can at times affect the physical heart.


jazaakillah for clarifying that MS. Smile

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Isn’t it weird that…

We live in a time where man can be in one side of the world in the morning and the opposite side of the world in the evening….man can build roads under sea and view planets that are billions of miles away….man can communicate in a matter of seconds with people who live in opposite side of the globe….man can even visit the moon.

However, with all this “progress” most of us can not even bring peace and tranquility into his own life.

Man’s true nature is to be cheerful and content with its state-its external factors that make us miserable….apparently; the most contented of us are young children and the Awliya’s, (friends of Allah).

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