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there was a shaykh hamza lecture script on the net that summed sufism up pretty well
cant remember where i seen it tho :oops:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Salaam,
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sum1 asked in another thread about the picture in my avatar. So i posted a few more above, the pictures are of as-Sayyid Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Adil al-Haqqani an-Naqshbandi.
Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Haqqani are of Turkish/Cypriot origin, they were born in a town called Larnaka. They are a saint of our time and the spiritual Master of the Naqshbandi sufi Tariqa.
Shah uz-zaman is one of there titles. MAny regard them as the Gause of this time. There is a story behind it, in short:
When Shaykh Nazim were going through there spiritual training, there Mushid, Shaykh Abdullah Feiz ad-Dagestani, sent them to a 6 month seclusion, to Baghdad, to the tomb of Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Jilani.
Shaykh Nazim wnt n stayed ther, everyday they would recite quran once, then do many other wazaif, salawat, dhikr etc.
There was one person who came to them everyday, who would serve them food once a day.
During this time, Shaykh Nazim had many visions, towardss the end of the 6 monthes, shaykh nazim had a vision in which shaykh abdul qadir jilani called them to there grave. The actual grave was situated only a few feet away from shaykh Nazims room in which they stayed.
Shaykh Nazim, took a bath, prayed 2 rakaat nafl salah, n went to the grave. They stood there for a bit, n nothing. (forgot to mention, shaykh Nazim is of ahl-e-bayt, direct desendant of Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani from one parent, n direct desendant of Mawlana Rumi from the other Parent) They then said "Assalamu-alaykhum Grandfather", as soon as they said this, the grave began to open, n shaykh abdul qadir jilani came out, sitting on a throne which was made of rare red rubies.
Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani hugged Shaykh Nazim, n invited them to sit with them on there thrown, ~Shaykh Nazim says that they sat together like Grandfather and grandson, and talked for a long time.
A few weeks later, Shaykh Nazim had spent 6 monthes in seclusion, and it was time to go. They went to Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Jilani's grave to say farewell, Shaykh Abdul-qadir jilani came out again, n told Shaykh Nazim they were very happy with them, n they gave Shaykh Nazim 10 coins, which were from there time, 700ish years old (shaykh nazim keeps the coins with them still).
As ShaykhNazim were about to leave, they went to say farewell to the person who served them food every day. Shaykh Nazim gave him their Jubba, which they wore, prayed Salah on, and slept on the whole 6 monthes while in Baghdad.
Fastforward 27 years to 1992. Shaykh Nazim were now the Leader of Tariqa, and they went to Lahore, to Data Ali Hujveri's Darbar. From there they met a Qadiri Shaykh, who insisted Shaykh Nazim stay the night with them, so Shaykh Nazim agreed,
At fajr time next morning, the Qadiri Shaykh told Shaykh Nazim they wanted to show them something. He opened a closet in the room, and behind a Glass cabinet was a jubba, The Qadiri Shaykh Took it out and told ~Shaykh Nazim it had belonged to a Shaykh from Turkey, who was the Ghause of his time, and that the Qadiri's had inherited it 27 years ago, when the turkish shaykh gave it to a qadiri shaykh at Baghdad Darbar. He said that anyone who wears it is cured of any disease. When the Qadiri Shaykh looked at Shaykh Nazim, he saw Shaykh Nazim smiling, he asked why they were smiling, Shaykh Nazim told him it belonged to him n he gave it as a present to a qadiri Shaykh.
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If you look closely of the above picture of Mawlana Shaykh, you will see their beard is in two parts , and in the middle there is something resembling a hand. well, the story goes that the Prophet s.a.w. came to Shaykh Nazim in a vision, and they held there beard n shook it playfully, Shaykh Nazim's beard does not grow from that part anymore, so it is split in two kinda.
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
:?
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whats so worrying aasiya?
probably his use of 'they and them' instead of 'him and his'
i still dont get that, nor have i heard it used before
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
dont get what?
aint that the beard story u were referring to?
no no....i get the stories.....yeah that was the beard story i was reffering to
i meant the way he keeps saying 'they' instead of 'he'
i..e
..came to him everyday....who would servence him food once a day
i think he tried explainin it last tym, but made no sense to me!
but the storys are well kool....especially the 1st one
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Yeh i think i should drop the habit i guess it gets confusing.
In urdu when referring to Prophet s.a.w. people say "Aap s.a.w." out of respect, i imitiate it for english aswell.
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
yea, sirus got it. also no offence meant to anyone, but i find those 'stories' difficult to believe. Allahu a'alum.
yea, i got ur explanation last time, but different languages do not mix, whats considered normal in one is not so normal in another. like for example Amina Wadud, the woman who made a big deal outta leading prayer in NY, calls Allah 'He/She/It' just to get across her dum.b feminist point, but what she forgot to notice is that in the Arabic language all words have a 'gender', like the word for 'tree' is feminine and the word for 'chair' is masculine.
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I apoligise for my misuse of the english language, i jus hav a GCSE in english at a grade C, im no expert in english, forgive me, i'll b more disrespectful when referring to people i respect from now on...
How are these stories hard to beleive? As muslims, we believe Allah Almighty can give any ability to anyone, and that Allah swt can give people close to them powers, which ordinary people do not have. Therefore these "stories" are proofs of the bounties bestowed upon those faithful servents.
Ya Digg
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
i have no doubt in the stories....but your use of language i do lol
shes ryt...it dont work in English
i get what u mean how they say it in urdu...'aap' - but that would be 'You' and not 'They'
anyhooooo...ive never heard it in english
hard to believe stories? living saints...sit infront of them and then see how hard it is to believe lol
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
So, on the topic of sufism, anyone here actually follow a sufi tariqa, as no1 replied last tym thought id ask again,
When treading the sufi way, it is extremely important to have a Shaykh, sum1 who has perfected the art of sufism, any treaders?
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Salaam
Below is a very good detailed read which covers a few things in short:
[b] - The proof of the caliphate and the proof of spiritual sovereignty (wilāyah). provides a clear understanding of the reality of the two institutions in order to present them to the people as unity, and not as division
- clear understanding of the Political legacy, Spiritual legacy , and Intellectual and practical legacy of the Beloved Prophet (saw).
- its link to Hazrat Ali (RA) and Imam Mahdi (AS) - the opener of the spiritual sovereignty and the seal of spiritual sovereignty.
- THe spiritual chains that start from Hazrat Ali (RA) and its authenticity
- The status of Hazrat Ali (RA)
- As mentioned above, the importance of the Caliphate
- and much much much more
N.B. I do apologise for it bieng a slightly long read, but if i cutted parts out - it wouldnt make sense and would leave doubts. so here is the preface to the book titled 'The Ghadir Declaration' - the declaration made at Ghadir Khum by the Beloved Prophet (saw). The rest of the book provides 51 authentic Hadith's to re-affirm the status of Hazrat Ali (R.A.)
like i said, i know its a long read, but i got thru it! and with no offence intended at all, i would like *Dust* and Yuit to take a read, and anyone else who may doubt the status of sainthood or need to clarify it.
Happy reading[/b]
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Only read the 1st four reasons...
..."The Ghadir Decleration"?
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Ghadir al-Khum - first heard of that from my Shi'a friend, they believe its where Mohammed (s.a.w) appointed Ali (r.a) as the next leader of the Ummah, as a Sunni obviously summat i'd never heard of. thanx for that, i'll have a read inshaAllah. who is it written by?
and may i point out that i do not 'doubt the status of Sainthood', i know that certain people in the past and maybe even in our time are Waliullah. i think u made that assumption from my short post about the stories razor posted.
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true denying particular stories is not denying sufism...
I too am sceptical of them stories. There are way too many fables and bed time stories that are taken as fact.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
so what differentaites the waffle from the true stories?
cos these stories are not like hadiths that u can easily dismiss as tru or false
Maybe? Heard of the 40 Abdals?
There will always b Waliullah on Earth, askin Allah to forgive the Beleivers, askin for deliverence from calamity, asking Allah swt to shower blessings upon the beleivers. Some of them will be made apparent, some will remain hidden from us, because if they weremade apparent people may distract them from their objectives, or they may b in danger (I.E. saudi arabia(wahabbis to b precise)).
Regardin beleving these stories or dismissing them as fables. It come down to how much faith you have, im not questioning anyone's faith here, jus to be certain.
U can easily dismiss them all, cuz to beleive them, u jav to beleive in the person relaying the story, and who it is about, and how the story became apparent.
The stories i posted were About Shaykh Nazim Adil Al-Haqqani, n they were originally told, in a short biography, written by one of Shaykh Nazim's mureed (follower/student), who is called Shaykh Hisham Khabbani.
Now, there are amazing stories of miracles told by many respected sufi scholors in the past. If you beleive them, or dismiss them is up to you, it comes down to the amount of knowledge of sufism or Islamic Mysticism as its often called. Knowledge of things which become possible once sumone reaches astate where he is lost in loev for Allah, and knows nothing else, and then, the knowledge of what favours Allah swt bestows upon his loyal servents, and friends, and knowledge of Allah swt, and knowledge that Allah swt can make absolutly anything happen.
U may have heard of Gravity defining Sufi's, Angelic sufi's, sufi's whom seem physical, but in actual fact are in a state, which no normal human being can touch him/her, i.e. the story of the sufi who, when swords were swung at him, they went thru him as if he were a ray of light, and the swords did no physical damage, they passed right through him.
So, it comes down to knowledge, and belief in the unlimited power of Allah swt.
I pray Allah blesses us all with strong and firm Imaan.
Wasalaam.
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Salam
Some of my favourite Sufi sayings:
1. Smoke it.
2. Die before your death.
3. Drink only the best wine.
4. He who knows his own Self, knows his Lord.
Omrow
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have u heard Black Eyed Pea's new song?
tis called "Pump it"-its a wicked song
it reminded me of ur made up sufi saying above :roll:
Lol,think u misunderstood, u c Wahabbis n sufi's jus dunt mix. When the Wahabbis came about, they knocked down all the darbars, n killed a lot of sufi's, and killed all those who were practising sufism.
Again i should have phrased this a lil better, What i meant was with knowledge of sufism, [b]AND [/b]of the favours of Allah [b]AND[/b]...etc
What im tryna say is basically these stories which some find hard to beleive, stories of miracles, u need only to realise Allah is all powerful, and Allah swt can give any ability to whomever Allah swt wishes.
[b]Regarding Miracles Attributed to the Burda of Al-Busiri (Qaseeda Burda Shareef).[/b]
There are many miracles attributed to Qaseeda Burda. The story goes that the Author, Imam Sharfuddin Busiri radiallahu anhu, was paralysed, the doctors had no cure. before the paralysis befell him, he was a poet, and thought of writing a poem about the Prophet s.a.w. But he became paralysed and he had not begun writing it yet.
One night the prophet s.a.w. payed a visit to Imam Sharfuddin Busiri radiallahu anhu, in a vision/dream. The prophet s.a.w. told him that he should write the poem, and they placed a scarf over the Imam. When the Imam awoke from the vision, he found the scarf was actually on his body, the way the prophet s.a.w had placed it on him. And just like that, he was cured of his paralysis.
So he write the poem, and it was sang by all types of people, rulers, caliphs, Imams, students of knowledge. And, it was attributed to many other miracles.
Fast forward to present day. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf decided to translate the Qaseeda Burdan shareef, and have it produced onto cd. So, they got a studio booked, Got the Fez singers, from Fez in Morocco. And went about recording.
While recording in the studio, Shaykh Hamza took in a cameraman to make a lil documentary of the project. While they were in the studio, the cameraman is recordin sum footage, he's on his last tape, Shaykh Hamza tell him its his last tape and theres no more left, so use it wisely. The tape finishes, so the camera-man think, ok i better go ride to the store to buy some more tape, on his way out of the studio, thers a whole pack of 5 camera tapes, jus lying on the table, the studio people say it dnt belong to them, it defo dnt belong to the cameraman, so shaykh Hamza tells him to use it.
After the recording Shaykh Hamza explains to the cameraman about the miracles attributed to the Qaseeda Burda, and also Shaykh Hamza said they felt that, they witnessed a miracle in the studio that day.
Thers a lil documentary available on the filmin of the Burda by Fez singers. towards the end of the docu thers a lil bit bout this incident/miracle. If u wna c documntry look round alhambra or zaytuna websites, shud b round sumwher.
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Lol,im not one to hold a grudge, its summin been with me from birth i spose.
I didnt say there cnt b wali's in the wahabbi sect. Ofcourse there can be, but they are hidden, cuz if they were apparant, then wahhabis would imprison them. As they did with Imam Alawi a few years ago, he wasnt a wahabi, but he lived in madinah, n was imprisoned cuz he was teaching sunnism.
LOL, depends who its written by, I wasnt aware of these things. Reciting sumthin 1001 times, hmmmm...I dno.
Thing is, sum great wali's are given secrets, which none others have, so these secrets are then given to the students of the one given the secret, n its passed down the tariqa or the school. Mayb thers sum secrets to the burda we dnt kno of.
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
When anyone praises the Holy Prophet, salallah alaih wasallam, it is going to bring blessings because Rasulallah is Allah's most beloved creation.
Allah describes him as the "mercy of all the worlds" in the Quran (Rehmat ul al alameen). So anything associated with the Prophet is of the greatest blessing and virtue, even for non-Muslims.
There is a famous hadith in which Abu Lahab, the Prophets' uncle and sworn enemy, has his torment in the grave reduced ever Monday just because he was very happy when Rasulallah was born and gave sweets out for this occasion. So for one who recites and composes something as beautiful like the Qaseeda Burdah imagine what his reward and blessing will be.
And just to link it in with this thread, think about who the Sufis are - they are the people who love Rasulallah the most and have the closest connections with him as many of them are Sayyid.
P.S: the use of We or Them in the english language is known. It is used for important dignataries and officials such as the Queen. Queen Victoria was known for using the phrase "We are not amused" meaning herself. This is also used in Arabic as well - there are occasions where it is says something like "Did We not reveal..." with We meaning Allah in some cases but also including his Angels as well at times.
"Eid is the day when I leave this world with my Iman intact."
Shaikh Abd al-Qadir Jilani, Sultan al Awliya
Welcome aboard Asif.
Oh n to Dust n Hayder, Suckers,. Told u so, "them" can be used in english, now we have proof.
Dunt try any excuses now, cuz we is not amused
Ya Digg?
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
I love this thread because I learn sooo much from it!
btw razor I also tend to use 'them' 'they' instead of 'him/her' 'he/she' for elders and respected people - so I totally understand where your coming from!
FINALLY, sum1 who understands.
U r
like me
Ya Digg?
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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
The girl has respect. She will go far.
Speaking of "etiquettes alone" why do you consider yourself too good to respond to my PM's?
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