No. Titanic is FAT.

Don't want to be on a fat ship.

what r u going on about here? i thought it was about sufism

Is it me... or wasnt The Titanic the name of a ship?

Where they upper and lower classes where laughing and dancing and then it hits an ice-burg and all the commoners die coz they're poor and the rich freeze to death?

... funny movie... laughed really hard at the theatre.

Soo... unless omrows taking some rich ppl and some commoners with him... with the intent to.... you get where im going with this.

Anyho.....

Sufism huh.... what do you make of that?

Salam

Thank you for not saying it my friend.

Its ok master Seraph. Madia is new.

Maybe she doesnt know that life is like sailing.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

Salam

Its ok master Seraph. Madia is new.

Maybe she doesnt know that life is like sailing.

Omrow

hey its madiHa, give me some respect Omrow, and If u wanna talk about the Titanic fine, yeah I’ve watched it, and don’t assume that I dnt know what life is like jst becos I’m new. Yeah life is like sailing, jst make sure u dnt hit an iceberg or else u’ll sink!!!

Salam

Thats why I said Titanic is no good. It lacks Oars

And talking of Oars:

[ The song: Cant Fight This Feeling, by Reo Speedwagon ]

...and I can't fight this feeling anymore
i've forgotten what I started fighting for
it's time to bring this ship into the shore
and throw away the oars, for-ever...

Omrow

I dunno about that.

I would have said 'Life is about tripping and falling and then getting back up again'

Learn from your mistakes.

"Seraphim" wrote:

I dunno about that.

I would have said 'Life is about tripping and falling and then getting back up again'

Learn from your mistakes.

I prefer my version :

'Life is about seeing others trip and fall, and preventing yourself from falling'.

Mini Razoem:

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The love of life is in my heart,
the love of my lord says it cannot co-exist,
I must kick out the love of the dunia from my heart,
and make my heart as pure, as it was, when my life i did start.

I know you'd "prefer your version" but that aint an accurate reflection of reality for me. As no man (or woman) can go thru life without tripping once in awhile. You bound to... thats how you learn.

Bcoz we humans are not born perfect or with experiences which is why we try new things... you may like it you may not like it. We sometimes take risks to achieve what we want sometimes these risks pay off other times they dont.

Live and learn. Trip and fall then get back up again.

Theres more to life than watching other people live it.

On the topic of sufism. It has been made a lot easier for us to follow the sufi path due to sufi silsila's or tariqa's or paths.

There are 4 major paths, which are the Qadri, Naqshbandi, Chishti, and Soharvardi. these are the main ones, but there are many others which are linked to these 4, ~E.G we have the Alawi's, Shahdili etc.

When one want to learn the path, they go to a murshid, who learnt one of the paths, and was given secrets to all, and this Murshid initiates you into the path. Once initiated you are told to follow sunnah, pray salah 5 times a day on time, etc. You are told to become strong in the basics, n then you are givin a wazifa or rukiya etc. It is a special practise of that particular Tariqa, like reciting certain verses of Quran a certain number of times, or reciting certain attributes of Allah certain amount of time etc.

So, who knows more about these tariqas, and who is actually a part of one?

Salam

"razor" wrote:

When one want to learn the path, they go to a murshid, who learnt one of the paths, and was given secrets to all, and this Murshid initiates you into the path. Once initiated you are told to follow sunnah, pray salah 5 times a day on time, etc. You are told to become strong in the basics, n then you are givin a wazifa or rukiya etc. It is a special practise of that particular Tariqa, like reciting certain verses of Quran a certain number of times, or reciting certain attributes of Allah certain amount of time etc.

All that is not true.

Where on earth did you get that from ?

Omrow

why isnt it true Omro :roll:

well u knw who ive had my bayyth from.........but equally, i dont think its necessary that every1 does bayyah, altho sumtymz its good to

Its just doesn't happen. That why it is not true.

what doesnt happen smarty pants?

There is original practice, and there are watered down practices of nowadays.

Originally the job of a shaykh was to guide. A shaykh would guide his mureed to the best of his abilities, educate him, and generally make the person a good muslim. Then when the shaykh had taught all he could, hew ould pass the mureed off to another shaykh who he thought was capable of continuing the mureeds spiritual growth.

Nowadays its mostly in name only, with a few dhikr's given to do.

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

what doesnt happen smarty pants?

That which is not true.

"Admin" wrote:

There is original practice, and there are watered down practices of nowadays.

Originally the job of a shaykh was to guide. A shaykh would guide his mureed to the best of his abilities, educate him, and generally make the person a good muslim. Then when the shaykh had taught all he could, hew ould pass the mureed off to another shaykh who he thought was capable of continuing the mureeds spiritual growth.

Nowadays its mostly in name only, with a few dhikr's given to do.

I dunt think you are completely correct here Admin, if you know of Shaykh Nazim Haqqani, or Shaykh Dergah Nazim or Shaykh Hisham Khabbani, They went through this process which you described. Shaykh Nazim in particular which I know of. They studied under 4 different Shaykhs before actually going to Shaykh Abdullah Feizi Ad-Daghestani. And Under Shaykh Abdullah Shaykh Nazim perfected themselves. Just before Shaykh Abdullah left this realm, they told Shaykh Nazim that he would lead the Naqshbandi silsila.

So, the practise is still alive today, although i only know of 3 who have been through this process. Im sure there are many more.

its alive and kicking

sure there are some who arent up to scratch

and some fakes

but thats not to say the original practices arent carried out anymore

and Omrow.......care to explain in more detail?

either that or shurt ur trap

How can one explain things that don't happen ?

firstly one can start from not talking out of their rear ends........and actually talking in common english, like every1 knws u can

and then explain yaself

razor has given examples..........the sinsila's do exist, and widespread

most sufis belong to a sinsila, or affiliated

so argue your case mousey mouse

Abu Abdul Rahman al-Sulami (d. 1021)

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

do you have to be 'sufi' to believe that^?

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

do you have to be 'sufi' to believe that^?

Ofcourse not.
A sufi is a muslim, and what sufi's beleive all muslims beleve.

"razor" wrote:

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

do you have to be 'sufi' to believe that^?

Ofcourse not.
A sufi is a muslim, and what sufi's beleive all muslims beleve.

so why should it be ascribed to sufiism?

"*DUST*" wrote:

"razor" wrote:

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

do you have to be 'sufi' to believe that^?

Ofcourse not.
A sufi is a muslim, and what sufi's beleive all muslims beleve.

so why should it be ascribed to sufiism?

Becuz, with the appearnces of certain sects, sufism has become known as almost a sect (according to my salafi cousin). I see sufism like a science, like you have the fiqh, aqeedah, seperate things, all which make up Islam.

Ya Digg Or u more confused

"*DUST*" wrote:

"razor" wrote:

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

Be more preoccupied with your inner state than with your external state, because the inner state is what Allah looks at, whereas the outward appearance is what people look at. “There are men who will devote fifty years of effort to guarding against the slips of the tongue in recitation of the Qur’an, yet not at all mindful of the slips that their inner being makes. People in that state are misguided

do you have to be 'sufi' to believe that^?

Ofcourse not.
A sufi is a muslim, and what sufi's beleive all muslims beleve.

so why should it be ascribed to sufiism?

ah sorry.....didnt knw where else to stick it (took it from another forum) - and coz it focuses on inner self and sufism is largely to do with inner perfection - thawt its best suited here

and no its not a sect....i think theres too many already :roll:

it comes under Tassawuff, an aspect of Islam

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

and no its not a sect....i think theres too many already :roll:

it comes under Tassawuff, an aspect of Islam

exactly - why do people make 'sufiism' into a sect of its own? i dont geddit. all the things mentioned in this thread, about perfecting oneself on the inside, reflecting on one's deeds, improving one's connection with Allah and increasing their love for the Deen - these things are all about being Muslim. the Prophet (s.a.w) exemplified all these things and preached them without having to give them a section of their own.
why are we so obsessed with making sects and dividing ourselves like this. i think 'sufis' would further their cause much better if they projected these things as being an inherent and important part of Islam itself, as opposed to a sect of its own.

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Fresh Prince" wrote:

and no its not a sect....i think theres too many already :roll:

it comes under Tassawuff, an aspect of Islam

exactly - why do people make 'sufiism' into a sect of its own? i dont geddit. all the things mentioned in this thread, about perfecting oneself on the inside, reflecting on one's deeds, improving one's connection with Allah and increasing their love for the Deen - these things are all about being Muslim. the Prophet (s.a.w) exemplified all these things and preached them without having to give them a section of their own.
why are we so obsessed with making sects and dividing ourselves like this. i think 'sufis' would further their cause much better if they projected these things as being an inherent and important part of Islam itself, as opposed to a sect of its own.

i dont think anyone has made it into a sect as such - its an aspect of Islam like i said, and jus as you said, ur spot on. It all comes under Ehsaam - doing whats beautiful, whats liked by our Lord and so forth

however its the concepts which its practiced through that some people cant grasp, nor accept - ironically concepts practiced by traditional scholars and saints for a long time - and thus they label people as 'sufi's and turn it into a 'sect' - often associated with 'Brewlis'

but as you mentioned, its all part of Islam - everyone should aim to be a sufi - if you knw what sufism is about, i cant see how anyone can disagree with that aspiration

but again, some people dont like the concept, the way its practiced - either that or are just overly concerned with the practical side of Islam, and neglect the spiritual development

sufism is simply spiritualness - why people cant grasp it or object it - i dunno

best ask them

to me - its what you said, simply put - a 3rd of islam, after Imaan (Beliefs) and Islam (Practical aspect)

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just forgot to address this point

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. i think 'sufis' would further their cause much better if they projected these things as being an inherent and important part of Islam itself, as opposed to a sect of its own.

sufis dont do that, a sufi is a humble person, a darvaish - he isnt even involved in worldy affairs nor pays attention to them....so how hes bothered about sect-creating is kinda funny!