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Pointless- cos a lot of info in books and the web is by shia haters so they aint exactly unbiased :roll:
I know Shia's and they dont do or believe much of the crap thats been sprouted on this thread
also there are LOTS of diff types of shia-who beleive diff stuff
[b]EDIT: THREAD LOCKED. Do you [i]really[/i] want to open it up again? ------ Judge, Jury, and Executioner[/b]
Salaam
[b]
some discussions here are childless...Islam is simple...when we discuss Islam we should deal with quran, sunnah, ijma and qiyaas.
the main issue here is that shias insult the sahabah...whether it makes them kafir or a fasiq, the issue is simple- they are clearly misguided. Anyone who views otherwise does not understand true mainstream Islam:[/b]
[b]
SHI'ISM AND THE SAHABAH[/b]
The most authentic book of theology of Shi'ism is Al-Jamiul Kafi. In this book in the section, Kitabur Raudha', the following narration is attributed to the fifth Shi', Imam:
"After Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) all people became murtads (reneged from Islam) except three persons - Miqdad Bin Aswad, Abu Tharr Ghifari and Salman Farsi Radiallahu Anhum wabarakatuhum). "
In the Shi'i book, Kitabur Raudhah, the following narration is attributed to Imam Baqir who allegedly made the statement in reply to his disciple who had sought the Imam's opinion regarding Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma)
"What are you asking me about them (Abu Bakr and Umar)? Whoever among us (i.e. the Ahle Bait or the progeny of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) departed from this world, departed in a state of extreme displeasure with them. The elders among us admonished the younger ones to perpetuate it (i.e. this displeasure with Abu Bakr and Umar), Verily, the two of them have unjustly usurped our right. By Allah! These two were the first to settle on our necks (i.e. the necks of the Ahle Bait). Therefore, may the la'nat (curse) of Allah, the Malaikah and of mankind be on the two of them.
(Kitabur Raudhah, Page 115)
In the same book, on the same page appears the following:
"Verily. these two elders (Abu Bakr and Umar) departed from this world without having made taubah for what they had perpetrated against Ameerul Mumineen Alayhis Salaam. In fact, they did not even think of us (of their wrongs against Hadhrat Ali). Therefore, the la'nat of Allah, the Malaikah and of mankind be on them."
In the Shiah book, Rijal Kashi, Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma) are denigrated in the following narration attributed to Imam Baqir:
"Whatever murder is committed in Islam, whatever unlawful wealth is earned and whatever adultery is committed until the appearance of our Imam Mahdi - the sin of all this is on the necks of the two (i.e. Abu Bakr and Umar).
(Rijal Kashi, page 135)
In Kitabur Raudhah on pages 159/160, the Shiahs attribute a narration to Hadhrat Salman Farsi (Radiallahu Anhu) in which it is claimed that on the occasion when the oath of allegiance was given to Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu), the first person to swear allegiance to him was an old man who stepped forward crying:
"All praise to Allah who has not caused me to die yet, enabling me to see you on this pedestal. Stretch your hand. " Thus he (Abu Bakr) stretched his hand and the old man took the oath of allegiance (at his hand)."
According to the narration, when Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) heard this from Hadhrat Salman (Radiallahu Anhu), he asked:
"Do you know who he (the old man who took the oath of allegiance) is?"
When Salman (Radiallahu Anhu) replied in the negative, Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) allegedly said:
"That was Iblees, Allah has cursed him."
Thus, according to Shi'ism, the first being who accepted the Khilafat of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu) was Iblees who placed his hand in the hand of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu).
At the end of this narration in Kitabur Raudhah, the following words are attributed by the Shi'i priests to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).
"Then, they (a group of the Saqeefah Bani Saidah) will come to the Musjid (i.e. Musjid-e-Nabawi) and the first to swear allegiance to him (i.e. Abu Bakr) on my Mimbar will be Iblees, the La'nat of Allah on him. Iblees will appear (on that occasion) in the form of an old man and say so (i.e. what Salman Faarsi has allegedly said)."
Mullah Baqir Majlisi is a renowned personality in Shiah circles. He is regarded as a top-ranking Muhaddith. He flourished in the 10th century of the Hijri era. The Shi'i clergy has accorded him the title, Khatamul Muhadditheen (the seal of the Muhadditheen). His works are regarded as highly authoritative by the Shiah priests. Khomeini has praised and recommended his writings. This Shi'i priest, in his books, writes the following statements whenever he mentions the name of Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu)
"Umar Bin Khattab - on him be la'nat (curse) and athab (punishment).
This, then is the Shi'i attitude towards the beloved Sahabah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).
This Mullah Baqir Majlisi has mentioned in his book, Zadul Ma'ad, numerous virtues and excellencies of the 9th of Rabiul Awwal. According to Baqir Majlisi, the significance and excellence of 9th Rabiul Awwal are because "Umar, the enemy of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the enemy of the Ahle Bait" will be killed on the 9th Rabiul Awwal. It is for this reason that the 9th of Rabiul Awwal should be observed as a great occasion of happiness and festivity according to Shi'ism. The relevant part of this fabricated narration attributed by the Shiah to the famous Sahaabi, Hadhrat Huzaifah (Radiallahu Anhu) is as follows:
"Huziifah Bin Yaman narrates: Once on the 9th of Rabiul Awwal I went to Rasulullah. I saw Ameerul Mu'mineen Ali Murtaza, Imam Hasan and Imam Husain also there. All were busy eating. Rasulullah smiling in great happiness said to Hasan and Husain: 'Sons, today is the day on which Allah will destroy your enemy and the enemy of your grandfather, and Allah will accept the curse of your mother (Fatimah). Eat sons, eat I Today is the day that Allah accepts the deeds of your Shiah (partisans), and beloved. Eat sons, eat! Today is the day when the power of your enemy and the enemy of your grandfather will be broken and annihilated in the dust. Eat sons, eat! Today is the day when Fir'on to my Ahle Bait, the one who will oppress and persecute them and who will usurp their rights, will be destroyed."
Huzaifah said: I exclaimed: 'O Rasulullah! Will there be such an evil person in your Ummah, who will perpetrate such villainy?'
Rasulullah replied: 'O Huzaifah!
Among the munafiqs (hypocrites) there will be one idol who will be the leader of the group of munafiqeen. He will carry in his hand the whip of cruelty and injustice; he will prevent people from the Path of truth; he will alter the Qur'an; he will change my Sunnah and my ways; he will oppress my Wasi (Appointee), Ali Bin Abi Talib and he will deprive my daughter, Fatimah of her rights. My daughter will then curse him. Allah Ta'ala will accept her la'nat (curse) and prayers.' Huzaifah then said: 'O Rasulullah! Why do you not supplicate to Allah to destroy this Fir'on and oppressor in your very lifetime?'
Rasulullah replied: 'O Huzaifah! I do not regard it proper to interfere in the decisions of Allah Ta'ala... But, I have requested Allah Ta'ala to grant excellence and superiority to that day when that oppressor and Fir'on is dispatched to Jahannum (e.i. when he is destroyed). That day should be decreed superior to all other days so that honoring of that day becomes a Sunnah for my Shiane Ahle Bait (i.e. partisans of my family). Allah Ta'ala then sent this Wahi (revelation):
'It has already been decreed in My Eternal Knowledge that the usurping Munafiqs will persecute you and your family. They will inflict many hardships on you and your family. O Muhammad! Ali has been awarded your rank because of these (impending) hardships which will be perpetrated on him by the usurper of his rights and the Fir'on of this Ummah. I have commanded the angels of the seven heavens to rejoice and celebrate Eid on the day he (i.e. Hadhrat Umar) is killed - this is for the sake of the partisans and lovers of the Ahle Bait. I have commanded the recording Angels to cease recording the sins of My servants for three days from that day. This is in honor of that day (on which Hadhrat Umar will be murdered). O Muhammad! Three days grace and permission in general to commit sins have been given in your honor and in honor of your appointee (Ali) ... Every year on this day, will I free from Jahannam thousands of your Shiahs.' Huzaifah says: 'After Rasulullah said this, he arose and left the room and went to the house of Umme Salmah. After having heard this talk of Rasulullah I was convinced of Umar's kufr. There remained no doubt in this. Finally, after the demise of Rasulullah, I witnessed the fitnah which he (Umar) created. He exhibited the kufr which was concealed in him. He reneged from Islam and usurped the Imamate and Khilafate. To achieve this end he adopted the most shameless methods. He altered the Qur'an and burnt the holy house of Rasulullah. He pleased the Jews, Christians and the Magians and displeased Fatimah and the entire Ahle Bait, and he conspired to have Ameerul Mu'meen (i.e. Hadhrat Ali) murdered. He made haram what Allah had made halal and legalized what Allah had made unlawful. He slammed the door against the face and stomach of Fatimah Alayhis Salaam. Huzaifah then said:
'Finally Allah Ta'ala accepted the curses of His Holy Nabi and his daughter in regard to this Munafiq (i.e. Hadhrat Umar) and had him killed at the hands, of his killer (Abu Lu'lu' Irani). May there be the Rahmat (Mercy) of Allah on his (Umar's) killer."
(Zadul Ma'ad - Pages 433-436)
Needless to say, this whole narration, from beginning to end, is a colossal fabrication of the Shiah enemies of the Sahabah in general, and of the first three Khulafa (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan) in particular. Shi'i priests are notorious for the fabrication of narration's which they impute to such great men of Islam, whom they describe as their "Imaams", when in actual fact, they (the so-called Imaams of the Shiahs) were august personalities of the Ahl-e- Sunnah wal Jam'at.
[b]The salient features of batil stated in the aforementioned fabrication are:[/b]
1. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu), the second Khalifah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) was a kafir.
2. Not only was Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) a kafir, but a munafiq.
3. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) was the leader of the Munafiqeen (hypocrites).
4. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Ahle Bait had cursed Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu).
5. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had prayed for the murder of Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu).
6. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) had altered and interpolated the Qur'an Shareef.
7. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) was a cruel oppressor, unjust and a usurper.
8. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) prevented others from Imaan and Islam.
9. Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) conspired to murder Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu).
10. The day on which Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu), was murdered by the Persian kafir, Lu'lu', is the most auspicious day of the year.
11. The Rahmat of Allah is on the Kafir murderer of Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu).
12. The day when Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) was killed is such an occasion of rejoicing that Allah Ta'ala declared the permissibility of sinning for three consecutive days. That is, each year for three days from the date of Umar's murder, Shiahs are permitted to fornicate, consume alcohol, steal and commit all sins and crimes with complete equanimity since sins are not recorded in these three days.
[b]NOW DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHAT THE SHIA ARE AND ARE NOT...I WONT SAY ANYTHING.[/b]
[b]
WHAT ISLAM SAYS ABOUT THOSE WHO INSULT THE SAHABAH[/b]
Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said: ‘Do not slander my Companions, for if one of you were to spend an amount of gold equivalent to the size of Mount Uhud, you would not even come halfway up to their level." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3379). So by slandering the Companions (Sahabah) you would be commiting Kufr! for Allah says in the Quran:
Say (O' Muhammed -s.a.w-): "Obey Allah and the Messenger, But if they turn away, then Allah does not Like the disbelivers." So by slandering the Companions, you are not obaying the Prophet ((may Peace Be Upon Him)) which is disobaying Allah! Can't those Shi'ites see the truth which is in front of their faces?
Imaam Ibn Hazm quoted a report with an isnad going back to Hishaam ibn ‘Ammaar, who said: "I heard Maalik ibn Anas say: ‘Whoever curses Abu Bakr should be whipped, and whoever curses ‘Aa’ishah should be killed.’ He was asked, ‘Why do you say that concerning (the one who curses) ‘Aa’ishah?’ He said, ‘Because Allaah says concerning ‘Aa’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her (interpretation of the meaning): "Allaah forbids you from it [slander] and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers." (al-Noor 24:17)’"
Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: "Because the people who slandered ‘Aa’ishah accused a pure and innocent person of immorality, then Allah exonerated her. So everyone who accuses her of that of which Allah has stated she is innocent is rejecting what Allah says, and everyone who rejects what Allah says is a kaafir. This is the opinion of Maalik, and the matter is very clear to those who have insight."
During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." So, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a dsibeliever, because the verse says, "…the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah)."
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here Ed.
No one is saying that we agree with them, infact we believe them to be mis-guided however we dont support the manner inwhich they're being bashed on this thread.
On a side note i dont think the other mods appreciate being over-ruled like this as your simply leaving the thread open to more uncalled for cussing.
Back in BLACK
Edit:
Just read Ed's posts. I think with His beautiful posts and my posts the case has been made.
ALLAH guides whom He wills.
I will not be writing here again.
KAFIR KAFIR SHIA KAFIR.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
like phantom said pls direct all enquires to malik
So he can either confirm your claims or otherwise disredit them for whatever reason. Its just the way your going about it Med.
other than that i agree them to be mis-guided.
Back in BLACK
The other mods will appreciate what Ed tells them to appreciate!
whos cussing?
i am giving mainstream view of islam....
why cant people have an open discussion about shias...geee
it is up to the shia bro to defend himself...which he is not very good at i'm afraid.
ok , if everyone is so scared to discuss then we might aswell lock this thread...
and talk about beards, hijab, marriage, and the rest of the usual stuff you guys talk about....
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Yes please!
Pretty please with a cherry on top...
yes all the other Mods want thread to be locked, i dont...but as we believe in democracy...this thread will be locked for good now.
Beast , shut up you childish git...
some ppl honest! :twisted:
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