Questions about Shias + free for all

Published by malik on 7 January, 2006 - 13:27
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Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 7 January, 2006 - 23:55

"Admin" wrote:

Calling someone else a kaafir does not make the accuser a better muslim. It can make them a worse muslim.

We are not to judge. That is the Job of Allah (swt)

oh, and the verdict of 'classical' scholars does not apply. Shiaism has morphed over time. Study their history. They have changed alot over the times, swinging one way, then the other. the Shiat 'Ali are not the same as modern shias. Unfortunately I have forgotten most of my history lessons.... so cannot remember the finer details...

You the Man Admin Dirol

Yep-Med if u wanna condemn and place Fatwa's then feel free to do so

you've already made it obvious here that u get ur kicks outta doing so

Submitted by *DUST* on 7 January, 2006 - 23:55

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Med" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
since knowing whether or not shia are kafir will not make me a better or worse Muslim

I'll give it a miss

really?

i'm mystified, plz explain.

condemning them to hell and calling or beleiving that they are kafir will not gaurentee me a place in paradise

BUT wrongly accusing a Muslim of being a kafir is a massive thing-ifI'm wrong then I'm a kafir

I'll leave the judgments for God on Judgement Day


well put.

just because we aren't going as far as to condemn a person to hellfire, doesnt mean we have any less love in our hearts for the sahaba. if tomorrow, someone got up and insulted a sahaba i would defend the sahaba till i lost my voice if need be.

but that still wouldnt involve me condemning the person to hell - what hav i got to gain by doing so?

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Submitted by You on 7 January, 2006 - 23:56

"Med" wrote:
in that case qadianis are not your concern either?

They are not my concern. When asked, I will say their belief in another prophet is kufr. this is more clear-cut, as the defining belief is that of another prophet.

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nor should it concern you when xian missionaries start their activities in muslim lands?

We cannot stop them. We can counter their influence, but that is all.

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nor should it concern you when ppl who are potentially renegades are spreading their batil views and robbing unsuspecting muslims of their imaan?

who? where?

You see the diference is in some situations, you act. In others you judge. Try not to judge, but to act.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by You on 7 January, 2006 - 23:57

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
Yep-Med if u wanna condemn and place Fatwa's then feel free to do so

No don't.

It makes my life as a mod harder.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 7 January, 2006 - 23:58

Med-implement Surah kafiroon when it comes to people who u think are kafir/commiting shirk/biddah etc

to you your belief and to me my beleif

learn to let people be

even if they are or arent Kafir

SO WHAT-whats it to you?

Submitted by Medarris on 8 January, 2006 - 00:02

k.

Firstly I aint commenting on any1 elses love for Sahaabah Karaam. alayhim ridhwaan.

Secondly, I say it openly and with great fakhr that at every step I will oppose the shi'tes and their lies. I m not asking any1 else to join me or anything like that. I will do what I believe my imaan demands from me and my imaan demands that I expose the batil of shi'tes and their kufr.

Regarding morphing of shi'tes - yes they did morph. But when their core beliefs have remained the same over the centuires then their kufr remains.

Ppl may not understand that why is this person so quick to make takfeer on shi'tes? The answer is simple. When a group work under the guise of islaam they rob people of imaan, and pollute the beliefs of gullible muslims. Infact it has been stated that there will always remain a group of ulama in this ummah who expose the innovations and deviations that people try to bring into the religion.

The shi'tes I say with full confidence are the dirtiest kuffar and ban me or delete my posts but I will never stop to say that they are kafir.

If any1 wants to talk abt shi'tes and history then PM me, and their history will be exposed. from ibn saba to bhutto and everything in between.

By ALLAH, i HOPE He accepts me for this work.
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EDIT: I knew this was a bad idea from the start.

Before we all get carried away this thread will be locked.

If you want to ask brother Malik questions regarding Shia
beliefs then please do so in another thread in a polite and
genuinely inquisitive manner.

------ Judge, Jury, and Executioner [/b]

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Sajid Iqbal on 8 January, 2006 - 21:29

this thread should not be locked.
i over rule.
we are having a discussion about shias...simple...
med...just come out with evidences so ppl can learn why most opf shias are outside the fold of islam...

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Submitted by Medarris on 8 January, 2006 - 21:52

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

med...just come out with evidences so ppl can learn why most opf shias are outside the fold of islam...

Ed you lulling me into a false sense of security before pouncing on me, beating me to a pulp, and then throwing me out of this forum?

whats your game or you being serious?

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:05

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
this thread should not be locked.
i over rule.
we are having a discussion about shias...simple...
med...just come out with evidences so ppl can learn why most opf shias are outside the fold of islam...

I agree with Mr Ed

go on Med provide all the evidence that proves that Shia are KAFIR

cos that would make Mr Ed's life more complete :roll:

even though it doesnt make sense why the man is bangin on about unity all the time :roll:

Submitted by Beast on 8 January, 2006 - 23:08

This thread should have remained locked.

We all know what problems this sort of argument breeds.

You only have to look at what goes on in Pakistan, esp. Karachi. Sunni/Shia violence involves going into mosques and shooting people dead whilst they are praying.

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:11

"irfghan" wrote:
This thread should have remained locked.

We all know what problems this sort of argument breeds.

You only have to look at what goes on in Pakistan, esp. Karachi. Sunni/Shia violence involves going into mosques and shooting people dead whilst they are praying.

I agree with u

but Mr Ed the MODERATOR-the EDITOR of the Revival-the VOICE of the MUSLIM YOUTH obvioulsy disagree's :roll:

I am surprised-God knows what proving that they are KAFIR will achieve

maybe he'll recieve a pat on the back :roll:

Submitted by You on 8 January, 2006 - 23:13

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

i dont normally agree with Med but on this occassion he is correct. Any disrespect to the sahabah is kufr.

Prove it.

AT a maximum from what I am aware is its fisq...

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Omrow on 8 January, 2006 - 23:14

Salam

Ifran likes to run away from problem.

Why can't he be a man and face the reality. Does he not have this ability ?

Running away or locking up things does not solve anything.

Omrow

Submitted by *DUST* on 8 January, 2006 - 23:14

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
this thread should not be locked.
i over rule.
we are having a discussion about shias...simple...
med...just come out with evidences so ppl can learn why most opf shias are outside the fold of islam...

I agree with Mr Ed

go on Med provide all the evidence that proves that Shia are KAFIR

cos that would make Mr Ed's life more complete :roll:

even though it doesnt make sense why the man is bangin on about unity all the time :roll:


LilSis, for a change, ED is [b]agreeing[/b] with MED on this topic... Wink in fact, Ed said he would provide me with the evidence he is now asking Med to provide...
see here:
"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
"Aasiyah" wrote:
"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
"Aasiyah" wrote:
"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

salaam

i dont normally agree with Med but on this occassion he is correct. Any disrespect to the sahabah is kufr.
How can anyopne say sahabah were not loyal to the prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) !!! how can anybody say they were just like ordinary muslims!!!!
th eprophet himself praised highly alot of the sahabas including the khulafa-e-rashidin....

so if shias disrespect sahabah then that is kufr...

wasalaam


dare i ask for evidence? :roll:

evidence that disrespect of sahabah is kufr?

is that a problem?

no i was asking whether that was what you are looking for. no its not a problem. i will look up for some evidences an dpost them here.

come on guys, either u have a solid argument, or u dont... if i were u, even that 1% of doubt would be enuf to put me off labelling people as 'Kuffaar'.

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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:17

"*DUST*" wrote:

LilSis, for a change, ED is [b]agreeing[/b] with MED on this topic... Wink in fact, Ed said he would provide me with the evidence he is now asking Med to provide...

come on guys, either u have a solid argument, or u dont... Blum 3 if i were u, even that 1% of doubt would be enuf to put me off labelling people as 'Kuffaar'.

LOL

thats true actually-instead of banging on about how they are KAFIR or commiting KUFR and threatening to "drown us in evidence" :roll:

and instead of just beating around the bush- they should just spit it out

HOW are they kafir?

I dnt get how a person would be quick to state that someone is a KAFIR and not quick to prove HOW :roll:

Submitted by Omrow on 8 January, 2006 - 23:20

Salam

"*DUST*" wrote:
...in fact, Ed said he would provide me with the evidence he is now asking Med to provide...

come on guys, either u have a solid argument, or u dont... Blum 3 if i were u, even that 1% of doubt would be enuf to put me off labelling people as 'Kuffaar'.

Whoa. What a woman.

Good observation there by the newcomer.

Bosses are being cornered by a woman.

Omrow

Submitted by Beast on 8 January, 2006 - 23:20

"Omrow" wrote:
Salam

Irfan likes to run away from problem.

Why can't he be a man and face the reality. Does he not have this ability ?

Running away or locking up things does not solve anything.

Omrow

Lets run towards it, shall we Omrow?

Lets have [url= of this[/url].

Does anyone remember AbdusSamaad's response to this^^?

Submitted by *DUST* on 8 January, 2006 - 23:24

"Omrow" wrote:
Good observation there by the newcomer.

a newcomer with almost 2000 posts? think again... Blum 3
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

Submitted by *DUST* on 8 January, 2006 - 23:26

"irfghan" wrote:
Lets run towards it, shall we Omrow?

Lets have [url= of this[/url].

Does anyone remember AbdusSamaad's response to this^^?


Irfan, i can see where ur coming from, but this is a discussion forum, not a recruitment place for some militant group.
and don't u mean AbdusSalaam?
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

Submitted by You on 8 January, 2006 - 23:27

"irfghan" wrote:
Does anyone remember AbdusSamaad's response to this^^?

I do. Paxman did his job.

In the end that was the start of his downfall.

He supporetd the murder of innocent people. And when he said that was the position of his teachers aswell, I would not just let him get away with that as a defence.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:28

"*DUST*" wrote:
"irfghan" wrote:
Lets run towards it, shall we Omrow?

Lets have [url= of this[/url].

Does anyone remember AbdusSamaad's response to this^^?


Irfan, can see where ur coming from, but this is a discussion forum, not a recruitment place for some militant group.

I think the point of Fred's post is to prove what happens when sunni/shia relationship get full of extreme hatred for one another

Submitted by Beast on 8 January, 2006 - 23:30

"*DUST*" wrote:
"irfghan" wrote:
Lets run towards it, shall we Omrow?

Lets have [url= of this[/url].

Does anyone remember AbdusSamaad's response to this^^?


Irfan, i can see where ur coming from, but this is a discussion forum, not a recruitment place for some militant group.
and don't u mean AbdusSalaam?

It's what this sort of debate leads to.

It will only make people like AbdusSalaam reinforce their views.

Submitted by Omrow on 8 January, 2006 - 23:30

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
I think the point of Fred's post is to prove what happens when sunni/shia relationship get full of extreme hatred for one another

Thats not his point. He doesnt have a point. He is ifran remember ?

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:31

"Omrow" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
I think the point of Fred's post is to prove what happens when sunni/shia relationship get full of extreme hatred for one another

Thats not his point. He doesnt have a point. He is Irfan remember ?

this is a shia bashing thread-not a Fred bashing thread

if u wish to bash Fred-pls start a new topic

Submitted by Beast on 8 January, 2006 - 23:34

"Omrow" wrote:
"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
I think the point of Fred's post is to prove what happens when sunni/shia relationship get full of extreme hatred for one another

Thats not his point. He doesnt have a point. He is Irfan remember ?

The people who carry out these attacks do so only because they are told that Shias are kafir's. And then you get the inevitable revenge attacks and cycle just fuels itself. There are very few other socio-economic factors behind it.

Here are some more examples:





Submitted by *DUST* on 8 January, 2006 - 23:34

"irfghan" wrote:
It's what this sort of debate leads to.

It will only make people like AbdusSalaam reinforce their views.


are u saying the rest of us will just sit here and let other people spew hatred? i'd like to think we're not THAT bad at reinforcing OUR views Irfan... Blum 3
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

Submitted by Medarris on 8 January, 2006 - 23:35

Give me a maximum of 3 days. and inshaALLAH I will produce a thorough document to the best of my ability in this regard.

For now I will begin giving small pieces of evidence.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Omrow on 8 January, 2006 - 23:36

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
this is a shia bashing thread-not a Fred bashing thread

if u wish to bash Fred-pls start a new topic

Go ahead make one for me.

Submitted by Medarris on 8 January, 2006 - 23:36

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

I agree with u

but Mr Ed the MODERATOR-the EDITOR of the Revival-the VOICE of the MUSLIM YOUTH obvioulsy disagree's :roll:

I am surprised-God knows what proving that they are KAFIR will achieve

maybe he'll recieve a pat on the back :roll:

This is indeed a first. The Mureed of Ed has finally decided to go against her own shaykh?

Lol.

LilSis u really are a most amusing person. May ALLAH make you smile in highest paradise. ameen

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 8 January, 2006 - 23:37

"irfghan" wrote:

The people who carry out these attacks do so only because they are told that Shias are kafir's.

And then you get the inevitable revenge attacks and cycle just fuels itself.

And Mr Ed wants the proof too. Very disapointing Cray 2

I am no longer his cheer leader.

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