Yeah, certainly, that was definitely what Umar bin Khattab did. We can take precedence from that.

Sharia law is barbaric

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lollywood wrote:

Sharia law is barbaric

That video isnt shariah.

Sharia would actually prevent that.

Ergo, Sharia law is quite humane.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

:roll:

Sharia law is unfair in someways

• rules of inheritance under sharia law are intricate, and a female's portion is generally half the amount a male would receive under the same circumstances
• The father, or in some cases the paternal grandfather, may choose a suitable partner for a virgin girl.

• Men can lead both men and women in prayer, but women do not traditionally lead men in prayer

• Men are fully obliged to financially maintain their household, whereas women are not,even if the woman is a millionaire and he is poor, he is still obliged to spend on her

Sharia law can not work

lollywood wrote:

Sharia law is unfair in someways

rules of inheritance under sharia law are intricate, and a female's portion is generally half the amount a male would receive under the same circumstances

Not the same as the male as more responsibilities and MUST provide for the women, while a womans inheritence he her own and only her own.

The Muslim woman may marry only a Muslim man,The Quran allows a Muslim man to marry a chaste woman from the People of the Book, a term that includes Jews, Sabians, and Christians

I wouldnt advise anyone to take such an option, man or woman. What are the chances of bringing up the kids in a good environment?

The father, or in some cases the paternal grandfather, may choose a suitable partner for a virgin girl.

and if she disagrees she has the right of refusal and the marriage is not valid without her permission. and this only applies to young people, just like how 16 and 17 year olds in UK law cannot marry without the consent of their parents but 18 year olds can.

Men can lead both men and women in prayer, but women do not traditionally lead men in prayer

I dont see any issue with this.

Men are fully obliged to financially maintain their household, whereas women are not,even if the woman is a millionaire and he is poor, he is still obliged to spend on her

give and take. He also has greater inheritance to account for such things.

Sharia law can not work

except that it does and even UK common law is modeled on maliki fiqh.

You wrote:

Not the same as the male has more responsibilities and MUST provide for the women, while a womans inheritence he her own and only her own.

Why can't she share it with her husband?

You wrote:

I wouldnt advise anyone to take such an option, man or woman. What are the chances of bringing up the kids in a good environment?

Its the people who make environment good or bad

You wrote:

and if she disagrees she has the right of refusal and the marriage is not valid without her permission.

Come on.... what are the chances of that happening?

Mom has given you that scary desi look before the nikah its a frown with eyes popping out through gritted teeth and then the usual blackmail in urdu

Agar tum ne ye shadi na ki to khandan wale humein taane dein ge
in Engish it would be saying the family is going to taunt us if you don't marry our chosen partner

If she has refused which I have never heard or seen of in real life I've only seen it in Lollywood films then they say
Tum ne hamari naak katwa di

In English it would be like saying that you have cut off our noise but you could translate it as you have brought shame on the family and this shame has often lead to murder like the Shafilia Ahmed case

You wrote:

and this only applies to young people, just like how 16 and 17 year olds in UK law cannot marry without the consent of their parents but 18 year olds can.

But in Islam girls can marry as young as 9

You wrote:

give and take. He also has greater inheritance to account for such things.

Why is she not asked to share her wealth when the man is?

You wrote:

except that it does and even UK common law is modeled on maliki fiqh.

Are you sure?

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

She can share with her husband and family if she wants to, but she doesn't have to.

Why should the man be made too?

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

The point is Islam is giving her the freedom she never had before Islam.

Freedom?
You’re joking right

A women can only go out if she has a male member accompanying her she still has to be covered up head to toe even the face has to be covered in some case's, in Saudi a women is not allowed to drive in this day and age- they just got the permission to vote only a few weeks ago, if that's what you call freedom then I dread to think what oppression would be like

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

Before moving onto the whole environment thing a man can only marry a woman from the People of the Book if she is willing to convert for him.

I'm not sure about that

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

Its very likely that she'll say no. I'm a girl from the desh (bangladesh to be precise :D) and if my parents told me to marry so and so guy if he seemed nice enough yes, if i didn't like him HELLL NO. and parents should respect that if they don't the sin is on them.

Saying no is not an option with Asian families Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
the -Izzat- card comes out that would make you agree and if you still didn't then they would trick you in going back to Bangladesh when you get there they would force you as much as they can because the law can be brought in Asian countries so they would not be worried about being locked up – example the British Bangladeshi doctor Humaira Abidin she was forced to marry in Bangladesh

On August 3, 2008, Abedin was allegedly duped into returning to her family home in Bangladesh's capital city of Dhaka by family members claiming that her mother was seriously ill. She was allegedly beaten, drugged and held against her will for more than four months, while her family was preparing to marry her to a Muslim man she had never met.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humayra_Abedin(link is external)

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

You obviously havent seen alot, because i've seen and heard many cases where the answer is no until death threats begin (yes death threats....).

Have you seen any case where the parents have agreed?

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

They cannot marry at the age of nine. They can only marry once they have reached puberty. If she's hit puberty at 9 then yes islamically she can,

First you said they can't then you yourself said they can, don't you think that's wrong?

Lets say a girl does reach puberty at 9 in an Asian country because its hot and she’s made to marry a 25 or 30 year old man how an earth is that justifiable? why did Islam allow this sort of thing? how is that giving girls -women freedom its enslaving them at a young age not to mention if she gets pregnant at a young age that could be a risk to her health it may even kill her if it doesn’t then it gives her the added responsibility at a young age when it should be her time to get an education play with her friends and not be worried about these things

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

but remember you must follow the laws of the state you live in. So she wouldn't be getting married for another 7 years anyway (MINIMUM).

ok
what if we get Sharia law in this country?

Jerin Sultana Begum wrote:

As to why she is not asked to share her wealth like a man i am unsure, but i'd theorise that because if they end up getting divorce where does the stigma lie? Although the stigma is not islamic Islam acknowledges culture. She would be unlikely to find a husband easily as compared to a man.

If the woman was worried about stigma I don't think she would get divorced in the first place I know many Muslim women who are only living with their husbands because they don't want to leave the kids or they want the kids to grow up with both parents and they don't want to be seen as divorced because in some cultures its the women who is seen as wrong even if it's not here fault

Golden Darkness wrote:

Because when he marries he has obliged to take care of her and should they have children obliged to take care of them too.

Ok what if the man serious injures himself in an accident and is unable to work then why can’t the wife use her wealth to help him out?

Golden Darkness wrote:

I said before. Before islam the state of Arabia disgusting.

It still is, it has a very bad human rights record women are still stoned and executed

Golden Darkness wrote:

A son could take his fathers wives (as long as it is not his mother) as his own. The little girls were buried alive simply bkuz they were too expensive to keep.
They could be handed around like toys among men.

Son taking his fathers wives is to do with keeping money in the family still Muslims get married within the family

Girls are still buried alive in some parts of Sindh Pakistan

Golden Darkness wrote:

They had no voice more any right to inheritance or any other sort.

Its still the same in most Muslim countries

Golden Darkness wrote:

Your telling me Islam didunt give them freedom?

I don't think it did or if it did it gave with one hand and took with thw other
Burqa has to be worn in all weathers hot or cold- is that freedom?
women have to go out with a male family member mehram they can't go out on their own, they can't drive, they can't mix or talk with non mehrams under sharia law is that freedom?

Golden Darkness wrote:

Saudi is admittedly not the best example of a muslim country

I think it has Sharia law

No Muslim country is a good example that's why you see Muslims running to western countries or they want western democracy and life style in the land they're living in that's what their dyin for

They would do anything to get here, in some villages they don't know a word of English but they seem to know me going the englaand no here good bad saddam, bad gadafi bad bashar ul asad he killing people If you gave them a choice between Islam or a western country to live in I'd say they would chose the western country because Muslims have started to realise that Islam has failed and failed miserably in almost every state its in

Golden Darkness wrote:

i know well enough that yes they may not do somethings, but that is their culture. And some women see it as being chauferred around.

But western women don't put up with any crap, 1 word and out the door they go, they couldn’t give a stuff about the kids or what the family and society are going to say about them

Golden Darkness wrote:

Frankly i disagree with you and so before we are at each others throat lets agree to disagree.

Ok

Golden Darkness wrote:

and with forced marriages being a known fact and something likely to occur in south asian families alot of girls dont go back 'home' after a certain age to get away from the more prying eyes of men and the risk of being forced into marriage.

They get tricked into going back grandma’s ill uncle's getting married or we want to show you our culture

Golden Darkness wrote:

I am 16 now and i would NEVER go back home, bkuz if i say no then bad things can happen to me, my family and the family honour.

This is just what i mean you have a fear of going back

Golden Darkness wrote:

I was trying to explain that i've seen cases where she has said no and if u read it properly then i said before threats come out (or it might have been in my head)

I was saying that they don't agree, what usually happens is that the children ran way have a 1 yr old child together then the parents find out about the child then they come to their senses and agree to the marriage its never lets respect the choive of our children and let them marry who ever they want

Golden Darkness wrote:

why should age matter?

Because 9 is too young

Golden Darkness wrote:

Non muslims get married with huger gaps, but bkuz in its islam its disgusting and its proof that islam is a barbaric religion?

Have you ever heard of a non Muslim girl getting married at 9 10 11 12?

I have heard of many case's when 80 yr old man marry 9 yr old girls mostly in Saudi and south asian countries

Golden Darkness wrote:

Understand this in the time of the Prophet (SAW) a 9 year old girl was mature enough to run a household, hence the rules.

That's impossible

Golden Darkness wrote:

And it is the families choice whether to marry her off at that age, but would a mother really want to lose her her beloved at the age?.

No it's not the families choice they follow the Quran the Quran says marry your daughter asap

Golden Darkness wrote:

And as i have said before her judgement is the most important. she wants then let the dancing begin but if not then later on in life maybe.

Young girls would not understand the responsibilities that come with marriage kids being one of them

Golden Darkness wrote:

The pregnancy thing...Allah does not give his subjects more than they can bear. Who said she can't get her education and be married?

You won’t be able to fully concentrate you’d be thinking about house work that needs doing shopping that needs buying, food that needs cooking cloths that need ironing

Golden Darkness wrote:

I'm 16 I could get married nw and still carry on with my education.

16 and marriage no way

Golden Darkness wrote:

i'd either end up shankin him (i have quite a temper) or doing a runner and using a mediator to tell him give me mahr (dowry). Once again i don't dictate culture

I don't think Asian women would do that... the usual
Sabr shukr teaching would come from the parents and the girl would just bear it

Lilly wrote:

#Silly Lilly, where did you niency go?# lool, it was in correlation with another topic and was relevant then. twas a bonfire time thing.

did i write this? i dont remember writing this. O.O

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

You be silly Lilly

i be insane sister..