should there be a referendum on leaving the EU?

Published by lollywood on 25 October, 2011 - 20:17
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Submitted by You on 26 October, 2011 - 19:14

FPTP is not a real issue.

and we shouldnt do.

1. We do not have the time to understand all the complexity.

2. We elect people so that we dont have to.

We just expect the elected people to be sensible and represent the wishes of their constituents.

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Submitted by TPOS on 26 October, 2011 - 19:17

If there were referendums on every little thing, then govt wouldn't run very efficiently!

The whole point of a representative govt is that they make the decisions for us, whilst we go about our normal lives.

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Submitted by lollywood on 26 October, 2011 - 19:39

You wrote:
FPTP is not a real issue.

What if they did as they please anyway?

You wrote:

and we shouldnt do.

1. We do not have the time to understand all the complexity.

2. We elect people so that we dont have to.

We just expect the elected people to be sensible and represent the wishes of their constituents.

They say one thing and do another, look at clegg he said if we get it we will not raise the tuition fees, what did they do?

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Submitted by TPOS on 26 October, 2011 - 19:44

lollywood wrote:
You wrote:
FPTP is not a real issue.

What if they did as they please anyway?

They are not obliged to accept the result of a referendum but it would be political suicide if they didn't, so it is in their best interest to do so.
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They say one thing and do another, look at clegg he said if we get it we will not raise the tuition fees, what did they do?

'never trust a politician'

Anyway Cameron should be more blamed for this, he's obviously got the upper hand.

And 'it needed to be done'.

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Submitted by lollywood on 26 October, 2011 - 19:46

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
If there were referendums on every little thing, then govt wouldn't run very efficiently!

Not sure about that

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

The whole point of a representative govt is that they make the decisions for us, whilst we go about our normal lives.

Look at the mp's expenses scandal they're only worried about filling there pockets nothing else, even Brown and Cameron we caught fiddling

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Submitted by TPOS on 26 October, 2011 - 19:49

lollywood wrote:
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
If there were referendums on every little thing, then govt wouldn't run very efficiently!

Not sure about that
What aren't you sure about?
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Look at the mp's expenses scandal they're only worried about filling there pockets nothing else, even Brown and Cameron we caught fiddling

What exactly is the point of this conversation? Or are you just ranting about everything that's gone wrong with the system?
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Submitted by You on 26 October, 2011 - 19:50

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
And 'it needed to be done'.

I disagree.

It was stupid to raise tution fees.

Education is not meant to be a business transaction.

Allowing people to get more eduction easily would allow people to better reach their potentials, to potentially earn more, innovate more, pay more taxes by earning more and benefit the whole country more.

Some of those things you cant put a price on.

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Submitted by TPOS on 26 October, 2011 - 19:54

You wrote:
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
And 'it needed to be done'.

I disagree.

It was stupid to raise tution fees.

Education is not meant to be a business transaction.

Allowing people to get more eduction easily would allow people to better reach their potentials, to potentially earn more, innovate more, pay more taxes by earning more and benefit the whole country more.

Some of those things you cant put a price on.


I disagree too (that's why I used '..')
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Submitted by lollywood on 26 October, 2011 - 20:17

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

What aren't you sure about?

That if there were referendums on every little thing, then the govt wouldn't run very efficiently!

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

What exactly is the point of this conversation?

My view is that we need more power given to us

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Or are you just ranting about everything that's gone wrong with the system?

That as well

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Submitted by TPOS on 26 October, 2011 - 22:46

lollywood wrote:

That if there were referendums on every little thing, then the govt wouldn't run very efficiently!

Holding elections and referendums requires a lot of preparation, time, money.

If you want to have an opinion on every little subject then it would take a lot of time. The politicians would have to wait for the results to even start doing anything - and this would be for every little thing. They wouldn't just be able to get on with their work, but be slowed down all the time and nothing would be done. Also as admin said, people don't have the political understanding so it'd be silly to give them the option to make decisions for the country.

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Submitted by Ya'qub on 27 October, 2011 - 09:11

Should there be a poll about being a referendum?

no.

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Submitted by lollywood on 27 October, 2011 - 17:43

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Holding elections and referendums requires a lot of preparation, time, money.

They could do things online

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

If you want to have an opinion on every little subject then it would take a lot of time. The politicians would have to wait for the results to even start doing anything - and this would be for every little thing. They wouldn't just be able to get on with their work, but be slowed down all the time and nothing would be done. Also as admin said, people don't have the political understanding so it'd be silly to give them the option to make decisions for the country.

They take ages anyway

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Submitted by TPOS on 27 October, 2011 - 18:05

lollywood wrote:
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Holding elections and referendums requires a lot of preparation, time, money.

They could do things online

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

If you want to have an opinion on every little subject then it would take a lot of time. The politicians would have to wait for the results to even start doing anything - and this would be for every little thing. They wouldn't just be able to get on with their work, but be slowed down all the time and nothing would be done. Also as admin said, people don't have the political understanding so it'd be silly to give them the option to make decisions for the country.

They take ages anyway

You really don't understand this do you Fool

Anyway, if you're so bothered about the referendum -http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133

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Submitted by lollywood on 27 October, 2011 - 18:20

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

You really don't understand this do you Fool

Anyway, if you're so bothered about the referendum -http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133

What I do understand is that if we don’t get out of the EU then we are going to be ruled by them and we’re going to be paying of other countries debits

Everyone in the UK should sign that epetition

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said Europe has moved closer to solving the eurozone debt crisis, as an agreement was reached in Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15478358

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Submitted by TPOS on 27 October, 2011 - 19:01

lollywood wrote:

What I do understand is that if we don’t get out of the EU then we are going to be ruled by them and we’re going to be paying of other countries debits


Off
Debts.

How dare you correct other peoples spelling mistakes after admitting your English isn't very good!

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Submitted by Valkyrie on 27 October, 2011 - 19:20

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
lollywood wrote:

What I do understand is that if we don’t get out of the EU then we are going to be ruled by them and we’re going to be paying of other countries debits


Off
Debts.

How dare you correct other peoples spelling mistakes after admitting your English isn't very good!

Oooooooh,,, never thought I'd see the day!!!!! That's the secound..... I mean second..... time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by TPOS on 27 October, 2011 - 19:34

Valkyrie wrote:

Oooooooh,,, never thought I'd see the day!!!!! That's the secound..... I mean second..... time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Technically third, no? Blum 3
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Submitted by lollywood on 27 October, 2011 - 19:37

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Off
Debts.

How dare you correct other peoples spelling mistakes after admitting your English isn't very good!

I will pay more attention next time

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My English is not very good

Submitted by TPOS on 27 October, 2011 - 19:43

lollywood wrote:
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Off
Debts.

How dare you correct other peoples spelling mistakes after admitting your English isn't very good!

I will pay more attention next time


Don't correct other peoples typos either.
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Submitted by LookingToSee on 27 October, 2011 - 21:38

whats up PoS jealous he's taking over the typo police job you had? lool

anyway, noooooooooo dont leave EU!! wht happens to me?????? will i need a freaking visato go to the continentand back?

and n.ireland uses euros dont they?

who's watching junior apprentice?

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Submitted by TPOS on 27 October, 2011 - 21:41

a) I was never that bad (don't think Blum 3 )
b) I know when to stop
c) He admits his english isn't good so what right does he have to tell others off? Especially when they're clearly typos.

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Submitted by lollywood on 27 October, 2011 - 21:55

Lilly wrote:

anyway, noooooooooo dont leave EU!! what happens to me??????

you'll get over it eventuality

Lilly wrote:

will i need a freaking visa to go to the continent and back?

I think so

Lilly wrote:

and n.ireland uses euros dont they?

I think they use our pound

Lilly wrote:

who's watching junior apprentice?

I watched it
The girls were crafty adding things and then charging extra
You've got to pay for the ice cream cone as well lol

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Submitted by You on 27 October, 2011 - 22:16

Northern Ireland, as part of the UK used UK currency. Republic of Ireland uses the Euro.

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