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salaam
What do you make of Zaki Badawi in general?
wasalaam
I have alot of respect for him.
He does seem a bit cosy with the establishment. But you can't have the ear of government if you just rant and rave all the time.
Senior Tory says that suicide attacks are 'totally explicable'
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article303277.ece
The Independent - 03 August 2005
A senior Tory has broken ranks with his party by saying that the London suicide attacks were "totally explicable" because of the deep anger felt by many British Muslims over Iraq.
The Tory leadership distanced itself from Dominic Grieve, the shadow Attorney General, after he said the link between the Iraq war and the terror campaign could not be ignored.
The Government found itself under pressure over the connection yesterday as Muslim leaders told Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister, of the anger felt in their community about British foreign policy. They also said that disproportionate targeting of Asians by police under stop-and-search powers threatened to stoke up resentment among Muslims. Interviewed on Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Grieve said: "I have to say, I find the suicide bombing totally explicable in terms of the level of anger which many members of the Muslim community seem to have about a large number of things.
"And I don't know quite how we are going to tackle that. I don't actually think that simply by going round and visiting community leaders we're going to get to some of these underlying issues." He said many Muslims he met felt angry because of the "tension between their world view and the world they live in".
Mr Grieve added: "I'm sure that something like the Iraq war contributes to it, because after all the Iraq war is about the intervention of Western countries in a state that is seen as being essentially Muslim."
A Tory spokesman said Mr Grieve was expressing a "personal view", adding: "It's not necessarily shared by other members of the Shadow Cabinet."
Asked if she agreed with Mr Grieve, Ms Blears said: "No, I don't. I think people can fundamentally disagree with policy issues, with foreign policy ... but I don't see any justification for people blowing themselves up and murdering hundreds of other people."
I've got a friend going down to live in London for a year to study law.
Altho he goes he aint scared, I can tell his parents are worried.
But since he's already paid his admission fees, he's gotta go.
And you know what asians are like when it comes to money and education.
To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead.
Salam
No. Please tell us.
Omrow
salaam
[b]Attack on London financial centre inevitable - police[/b]
LONDON (Reuters) - An attack on the capital's financial district is inevitable despite tighter security in the wake of the July bombings on the capital's transport network, the area's police chief said in an interview published on Tuesday.
James Hart, who heads the London police force, said police had disrupted "hostile reconnaissance" of the region several times but made no arrests.
He did not give details of which buildings had been staked out, saying only that they were businesses, iconic sites and prominent buildings.
"Every successful terrorist group pre-surveys its target," Hart said in an interview carried on the Financial Times Web site (www.ft.com).
"There is no doubt that we have been subject to that surveillance. If you want to hurt the government ... where better to hit than at the financial centre?"
London is home to scores of banks, law firms, the London Stock Exchange and the Bank of England. Tourists attractions include St Paul's Cathedral and the Monument, a stone tower commemorating the 1666 Great Fire of London.
Hart said it was only a matter of time before bombers targeted the City, bombed twice by the IRA in the early 1990s.
"Look at the number of times we were hit by the IRA," Hart said. "I think (another attack) is a question of when rather than if."
He said security in the district had been tightened since the July 7 bombings, which killed 52 people on three London trains and a bus, and the failed July 21 attacks also targeting city transport.
Hart told the FT he believed those behind the July bombings were not linked to al Qaeda, contradicting previous statements by London police chief Sir Ian Blair.
Instead, the bombers were a third-tier grouping with intellectual sympathies to al Qaeda propaganda, Hart said.
wasalaam
Its surprising that not a single individual has been linked with the 7/7 attacks.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Hasnt there? im sure they paraded a few people all over the newspapers saying these people were responsible and didnt they catch that one guy?
To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead.
maybe cos they all dead
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
wasnt that for the potential attacks that took place a week or 2 later?
So all those who thought of, planned, helped, and carried out the attacks are all dead?
The people currently under questioning and arrest are for the failed attacks.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
A man can risde no higher than the women he chooses to associate himself with...
Is everyone alright from the attacks and the backlash afterward? I heard a young muslim girl roughly our age died and was greatly concerned it was somebody from the forum
It wasn't someone from the forum. But someone on this forum knew someone she knew.
That is terrible - I hope her family is pulling through together.
Was there a significant backlash?
not here, everything seems perfectly fine really
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
There was a massive increase in Islamophobia.
But I didn't experience any personally, although I did get some dodgy looks last time I was on a train with 4 of my mates. The fact that my mates were deliberatly trying to arouse suspicion contributed to this.
I suppose to a certain degree it is unavoidable. People are generally not equipped to fight what they cannot see - so it almost seems a matter of comfort to strike out at what they imagine the monster to look like.
They probably know it's not the monster, but it brings them a false sense of security to do it anyway.
Salam
This is exactly how Al Qaeda extremists see the West.
They also fear it as an imagined monster waging a crusade on the Muslim world.
Both sides can do with a bit of education.
Omrow
[size=18]Al-Qaida claims London bombing[/size]
[img]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/B22D0ADF-D0EB-4DC0-9C6E-7671F1...
Aljazeera has aired a clip from an al-Qaida video in which one of the London bombers explains his reasons for the July attacks on the British capital.
Al-Qaida's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, also appeared on the video on Thursday, promising similar attacks in the future.
London bomber Muhammad Sadiq Khan, a 30-year-old British national from West Yorkshire, said responsibility for the attacks on European and US cities fell squarely on the shoulders of the West.
He explained the West was backing governments that were carrying out crimes against humanity.
In four bombings on the London transport system on 7 July, 56 people were killed. London police believe Khan was the leader of the suicide bombers.
Khan also said that "Western citizens" should no longer feel safe and that they would be the target of similar operations.
Aljazeera said it would air the full tape later in the evening, when the text would be made available.
[b]Slap for Blair[/b]
Al-Zawahiri also spoke at some length on the reasons for the London attacks, and described them as "a slap to the policy of British Prime Minister Tony Blair".
However, he placed the responsibility on Blair, characterising the blasts as a response to UK foreign policy "just as 9/11 was a response to America's".
Further, al-Zawahiri promised similar operations in "enemy territory" in the near future, particularly Europe - because it had ignored an offer of truce from al-Qaida's leader, Osama bin Ladin.
Last December, bin Ladin called for a boycott of Iraq's elections and endorsed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in the country in an audiotape broadcast by Aljazeera.
The message condemned the 30 January elections to elect a national assembly that will draft a new constitution.
"In the balance of Islam, this constitution is infidel and therefore everyone who participates in this election will be considered an infidel," he said.
"Beware of henchmen who speak in the name of Islamic parties and groups who urge people to participate" in the election.
He also described al-Zarqawi as the "amir" of al-Qaida in Iraq and called upon Muslims there "to listen to him".
Bin Ladin had added that his al-Zarqawi announcement was "a great step on the path of unifying all the mujahidin in establishing the state of righteousness and ending the state of injustice".
[b]London blasts[/b]
Muhammad Sadiq Khan, along with two other young British Muslims of Pakistani origin and a fourth Jamaican-born Briton, blew themselves up on three underground trains and a bus in London on 7 July.
Khan visited Pakistan along with another of the bombers last year, where religious schools have been under scrutiny after some were accused of breeding extremism.
Pakistani security forces have also been searching for members of al-Qaida in remote areas of the country recently.
London's police chief Ian Blair said the bombings bore all the hallmarks of an al-Qaida operation as it was a multiple coordinated attack on a city's transport system.
[url=http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B22D0ADF-D0EB-4DC0-9C6E-7671F19CD...
who is the geeza above? Is he the khan person who was the alleged ringleader?
when did this clip come out, is it on normal tv aswell?
first i herd abt it is here.
Ayman al Zawahiri is in afghanistan/pakistan so am i right in guessing that the tape was edited to put him into it?
did ayman al zawahiri refer directly to the attacks?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
The guy in the picture is Muhammad Sadiq Khan.
It's been on the news but it's not the main story.
[i]London bomber Muhammad Sadiq Khan, a 30-year-old British national from West Yorkshire, said responsibility for the attacks on European and US cities fell squarely on the shoulders of the West.
He explained the West was backing governments that were carrying out crimes against humanity.
"Your [the West's] democratically elected governments continue to perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.
"Your support for them makes you directly responsible ... until we feel security, you will be our targets. Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people, we will not stop."[/i]
He talks like he's not British, even though he was born and raised in Britain. He smacks democracy even though he lives in one and you would think he as a Britain knows full well British foreign policy isn't to "bomb gas imprison and torture" his people... Those are the not well publicised failures of our (western) foreign policies... but not the goals.
I'm sure he knew that.
Really makes you wonder whats going through the kids head - looks like a perfectly normal guy to me.
Are anger and brainwashing too easy answers?
All muslims are also one people, but he is (was) kerrazee!
Well this does dispell most of the doubts against the official version of events.
He did get the causes and consquences the wrong way around aswell.
I don't know what to make of it yet.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1613&highlight=#1613
Wow Omrow.
I never even noticed because I was in Washington - you scared Latifah away.
Way to go. - What the hell were you thinking with that comment?
Salam
I posted that just a day after the attacks.
She had not shown up for a long time, so I had to raise the alarm.
I was worried about our joker.
Anyway, how can praise scare a person ?
I was praising her.
What that little remark that she wrote at the bottom in her own language ?
Omrow
Yikes... google it - it's the first result.
No way! :shock:
And second result is this thread.
Could all this result in a change of moderating policy?
Well... I think we should give her a bi on this one.
Think about Omrow's comments in light of her tragic experiences in Bosnia - she's told us all before that she lost family.
And then for that sorta violence to stalk her over to Britain...
Omrow WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING
Omrow was being a Kur*******c.
I agree.
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