Something in Mujahid thread about Women and hell got me thinking. In one of the hadith it state that heaven will mostly be made up of the poor. Well the question has to be ask where should our ambition truely be and what should the balance between Deen and Dunya really be?

Quote:

Harithah bin Wahb (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "Shall I not inform you about the people of Jannah? It is every person who is, modest and humble (before Allah), a person who is accounted weak and is looked down upon but if he adjures Allah, Allah will certainly give him what he desires. Now shall I not inform you about the inmates of Hell? It is every violent, impertinent and proud man".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith tells us about distinction of such weak, poor and secluded persons who do not have any important position in society but are so eminent in the realm of piety that, out of their utmost trust in Allah, if they take an oath for something, Almighty Allah fulfills their oath. Thus, this Hadith highlights the importance of modesty and condemns pride, miserliness and lust for name and fame.

253. Sahl bin Sa`d As-Sa`idi (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: A man passed by the Prophet (PBUH), so he asked a man who was sitting near him, "What is your opinion about this man?'' That man replied: "He is one of the noblest men. By Allah he is certainly a proper person for (a girl) being given in marriage if he seeks to marry, and his recommendation is fit to be accepted if he recommends". Messenger of Allah (PBUH) remained silent. Then another man passed. Messenger of Allah (PBUH) enquired, "What is your opinion about this man?'' He replied: "O Messenger of Allah, he is one of the poor Muslims. He is not a proper person (for a girl) to be given in marriage to, and his recommendation would not be accepted if he makes one; if he speaks, he is not to be listened to.'' Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "He is better than the former by earthfuls".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith contains the following two important points:

1. The distinction and greatness of such poor Muslims who are neither known in society because due to their poverty nor are they respected by people. But due to their Faith and piety, each of them is better in the sight of Allah than others. This Hadith makes it abundantly clear that what really matters with Allah is Faith and piety not lineage nor pomp and show.

2. For marriage purposes, men and women of noble character should be selected even if they are poor because at the level of religion they are on par with other Muslims. Thus, the principle underlined here is that the preference should be given to the equality in respect of religion rather than worldly wealth and richness.

It seem that Dunya and the money within it, truely keep us occupied. But where should we draw the line?

Would we still be grateful too Allah swt if we didn't have all the luxury we have today. The more luxuries we surround ourselve with the more ungrateful we become it seems.

How many of us would accept a life below the poverty line?

How do you see the people who have barely anything in this life?

Yeah but poor in what sense??

If your talking about money then its all clear cut.

Rich people aint happy.... they may think they are.... but they're not.

On the other hand if they'r ealso rich in character.... then they stand a good chance IMO.

its a fact rich people never get enough of their richness, they always want more and more...

thats a fact by me btw..

i would never want to be rich just average because i know for a fact me-myself will become so greedy..

What I would love is to have money and to build a masjid or madrassah SOLELY with my own money. I actually hope I earn a good amount and then can donate to good causes.

Our madrassah is going for an extention and building changes. The only thing Im worried about is that it will all be done by the time i start earning. I hope it isnt cos donating money in masajid and madaris is an excellent opportunity to gain forgiveness.

Btw plz make dua that ALLAH accept the intention to renovate and extend Jamia and that ALLAH grant us His Hidden Help. ameen

There is one thing a Mawlana once stated when giving bayaan and requesting funds. He stated that we should hand over the money that ALLAH has given us. I dunno why but that struck me deep. We refrain from giving maximum money cos we think its ours, I can give a tenner or I can give a fiver, Im doing a great act so its upto me if i wanna give the larger or smaller amount. I dont see it like that. This money in the bank account its not mine, its been given to me by ALLAH so I can give it to the needy. That makes it soo much easier.

Its like zakah money. People who dont pay it are under impression that its their money, but it aint, that zakah money is the poors money. If someone gave me a 100 pound to look after as a trust and when he needed it I wouldnt hesitate to give it back to him, I would psychologically know its not mine, I wouldnt be attached to it. So I try to think that the money I get into my possession are ALLAH's, and when ALLAH needs then who am I to keep His money.

May ALLAH make us constant in giving in the charity.

Good post ^^^

"Med" wrote:

May ALLAH make us constant in giving in the charity.

"Med" wrote:

Btw plz make dua that ALLAH accept the intention to renovate and extend Jamia and that ALLAH grant us His Hidden Help. ameen

inshallah ameen....our madressah has started on a new building aswell,its for all the jalsas and conferences...so we dont have to go to kidderminister or bury daruloom...

this year i helped raise alot of money...felt so good.

but some people think their money will decrease if they give money to charity, lol we had to motivate alot of people to give...cant believe how hesitant so much people were..

The problem is that money plays such a important part in people life, but it hold no real value to them, it only used for power. Like every week we get the same people giving money too the mosque and getting their name read out. Nothing wrong with that, but when it time to get their hand dirty and clean the mosque, they never there, there have too much pride in them. That what money does too you, it give you a percieve status that doesn't exist. When people become a success in dunya, it make it easier for them to lose sight of akhira. That why it good not to get caught up with love of money as you can never have enough of it and u end up digging yourself a massive hole.

"naj" wrote:

"Med" wrote:

Btw plz make dua that ALLAH accept the intention to renovate and extend Jamia and that ALLAH grant us His Hidden Help. ameen

inshallah ameen....our madressah has started on a new building aswell,its for all the jalsas and conferences...so we dont have to go to kidderminister or bury daruloom...

mashaALLAH thats great and also congratulations on raising money for this noble project.

Must be a big project if you hoping to have conferences in your hometown rather than bury or kidminster.

May ALLAH accept us for assisting his masajid and madaris. ameen

I have terrible money management skills.

I didn’t even realise how bad I was.

I’m fantastic at sticking to a budget – be it £50 or £200. If I can’t afford it, I won’t buy it.

I also pride myself at the fact that I never ask for a loan.

However, what I find difficult is keeping on top of my incoming and outgoing money.

If someone asks me how much fees I paid during my three years at Uni….I won’t be able to tell them.

If someone asks me how much I earned last year. I won’t be able to work it out.

If someone tells me that they borrowed xyz from me – I cant remember giving it to them. Even if it’s a huge amount. If someone tells me that they paid me xyz back – I don’t remember receiving it.

I’m so bad at this that I’ve just spent the last 30min applying for online banking so that they can send me ALL bank statements from the last couple of years – so I can work out if I have anything unaccounted.

More annoyingly, I’m supposed to teach a bunch of kids money management skills – which I haven’t got the faintest, clue how to approach.

How are you guys with your money?

I don't really "do" money management.

So see I have this notion that when I really need some money, Allah (swt) will provide a means.

As such I more or less do not keep too much account of it. Which is bad, but well, that's me.

I spend what I've got in no time and then go skint. MuslimSister, it sounds like there's nothing wrong with your money management skills, and this latest exercise is an example of that.

I dont do money management (that's cz of i dont have any!). When i do have money i just spend and then go skint.

I really need to start saving.

"Mr Honey's Day Out" wrote:

MuslimSister, it sounds like there's nothing wrong with your money management skills, and this latest exercise is an example of that.

I have large sums of money unnaccounted for.

And I don't remember recieving or even spending it!

Thats why I'm chasing up old bank statements.

Unfortunately we do get caught up and "money money money" seems to be a constant for some people in this day and age.

I must admit I was a prime example of this and many asians I worked with were too... We would work 35 hours a week and then add another 35 hours to the month as overtime so we were technically working an extra week in the month just to earn money to spend on ourselves really. Until somebody pointed out to me that a term for this is "chasing the world" I was happily overworking myself and exhausted!!!

Chasing the world... one of the many signs that we are becoming a very materialistic generation and its a shame because the finer things like spending time with our families are pushed aside, even though they make up the most important aspects of life!!!

One good exercise is keeping change in an envelope, alongside a smaller envelope for receipts and withdrawal statements. As a bonus, or especially if you use a card, write the sum of any cash you start with on the envelope and take the time to write how much you subtract for each purchase before leaving a store or not long after, and do your best not to skip anything so it adds up. Occasionally that isn't convenient but you can quickly get used to it and in no time you'll have a better understanding of your spending and how to project and account for it, especially if you're spending on behalf of a company. I had to do this, and I was so distraught when it didn't add up either because I had used my own money intending to do the maths later or because I had bought something personal intending to top up the envelope, and I learnt how to be responsible with other people's money (but not my own, in this instance).

I'm useless at saving money. Every time i tell myself I’m going to save it never happens. Every month as soon as i get paid I’m out there spending like mad and most of the stuff i buy is absolute crap. It’s a force of habit that I can’t seem to break. Its just soooo easy to go to cash machine and withdraw your money. But saying that i have always had enough money in my account for any emergencies. Anyway in the end i told myself enough was enough i opened one of those accounts where you get a book and i gave the book to my mum for safe keepings (that way i cant go withdraw the money because my mum will not let me within 10 yards of that book lol).

I think I manage my money quite well and I think that’s got a lot to do with Dad. I disagree with quite a lot when it comes to my Dad, but I think if any of us kids are able to manage our money well it is because of him, partly because he is sooooo tight, and partly because of the way he gave us pocket money from a very young age. However the day we leave college is the day our pocket money stops in our house. After that we have to sort ourselves out when it comes to money. I can honestly say that since my last day at college Dad hasn’t given me a single penny not even on birthdays or Eid not even when I was completely skint and didn’t have a job. It’s his way of making us stand on our own two feet and “be responsible”. He very regularly lectures us on how we don’t realize how high the cost of living today is and how the hell are we going to afford our own houses.

When I first started work I spent loads, mostly at HMV lol. After a few months Dad queried how much I had saved and I myself was a bit shocked when he did the maths, he was like so you earned this much and have spent [i]this[/i] much of it! Had he not spelt it out for me I would have probably carried on the same way, only because I hadn’t realized how much I had actually been spending. It was all well within limit, but I was still wasting it on not much at all.

The best way I manage my money is to try to always deal with cash. I know some people who for every transaction always pay with their card even if it’s a tiny amount, but I find it hard to keep track of my money if I pay by my debit card coz then I have to actually read my statement as opposed to just skim it and check my wages have gone in. I don’t have a credit card and never intend on getting one, the idea of spending money I don’t have just sounds really crazy to me.

Of course I find it very easy to spend money, but I think it’s important to save too. I guess for the future. I don’t know if it’s coz of the way Dad is with us, but I think I would honestly find it hard asking someone for money, especially if I knew they had more important things to spend on like bills, mortgage, family etc etc as opposed to handbags for me. Dad always goes on about how the basics are to have a roof over your head and a bit of food – everything else is luxury. In which case I have plenty of luxuries – I buy whatever I want, whenever I want, but I’m not on a mission to spend every penny I earn coz I know that if I save any now it might make things easier for me in the future.

I lost my wallet yesterday :? :x :shock:

Not much cash in there- Alhamdulillah
Oyster card had a new bus pass - I can claim it back - Alhamdulillah
Bank card - a cancelled it before anyone could use it - Alhamdulillah
Work pass - the photo on it looked silly anyway - Alhamdulillah

The wallet itself was REALLY nice and it was a present, so thats the thing I'm actually upset about.

But I was originally supposed to be carrying my group's charity money, which is about £1000. Thank God I left it at home yesterday!

Every since college ive always worked and paid for my own things. Food, clothes, University Fees etc ...

Every summer id get a job and save up enough to pay Uni fees & save money to pay for extra things like books, food... and petty cash which im likely to blow on things like clothes or trips out with friends etc.

Mostly coz my parents have always been tight with money and wanted me to learn to stand on my own two feet. I never blow my entire months wage... my limit is 50% MAX although i try to keep it to 30%. That way im saving enough and im still living comfortably.

If i want something thats gonna cost me more than 50% i wait another month and then buy it with my next wage plus the previous wage.

about 50% of my wage goes on rent alone! once you take out food/travel i've only got a few quid for everything else. I don't manage to save hardly anything...

im planning to move to a MUCH cheaper apartment in october, about half of what im paying now (but it is pretty grimey compared to where I am now).

everyone who lives at home: [b]enjoy it while it lasts!!![/b]

"Ya'qub" wrote:

about 50% of my wage goes on rent alone! once you take out food/travel i've only got a few quid for everything else. I don't manage to save hardly anything...

im planning to move to a MUCH cheaper apartment in october, about half of what im paying now (but it is pretty grimey compared to where I am now).

everyone who lives at home: [b]enjoy it while it lasts!!![/b]

I hate paying rent...student accomodation is so epensive..i could save thousand's if i didn't have to pay for the rent...