Ya'qub wrote:

Courage wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

...plus hobbits are haram because they don't shave their feet.
...and the book is racist and anti-Muslim.

Do you shave your feet? I don't think the book is racist, the film just had an all-white cast, hows it anti-Muslim?

I wasn't talking about an all-white cast at all.

The book is a metaphor for the Crusades.

The hero has to travel from Britain all the way to Jerusalem to destroy the ring. A small area right into the heart of the Muslim world.

The orcs are supposed to represent the Muslims, or more precisely the 'Saracens', which was the name they used to give to Turks.

I thought this was common knowledge.

I don't think the orcs were even once referred to as Saracens. Plus the elves carry Arab Saifs and Arab bows.

xSmurfy786x wrote:

Seraphim wrote:

xSmurfy786x wrote:

Seraphim wrote:

1R4M wrote:

Why is the title of almost every thread a word, followed by "haraaaaaaam"
how immature

Oh let the kids have their fun.

WOW SHOCK! That coming from Seraph is like :O

Whats that supposed to mean?

lol u wasnt so nice 2 me when i joined forum

hmmmm
Come to think about it now he wasnt nice to me either.

Naz wrote:

xSmurfy786x wrote:

Seraphim wrote:

xSmurfy786x wrote:

Seraphim wrote:

1R4M wrote:

Why is the title of almost every thread a word, followed by "haraaaaaaam"
how immature

Oh let the kids have their fun.

WOW SHOCK! That coming from Seraph is like :O

Whats that supposed to mean?

lol u wasnt so nice 2 me when i joined forum

hmmmm
Come to think about it now he wasnt nice to me either.

Aaww... really... well boo-frickety-hoo.

Build a bridge and get over it woman.

Evil does as evil does.

:badgrin:

Courage wrote:

I don't think the orcs were even once referred to as Saracens. Plus the elves carry Arab Saifs and Arab bows.

The story: Hobbits and dwarfs ally themselves with the elves to fight against orcs.

The history: British and French ally themselves with the Arabs to fight against the Turks.

Hmmm...

I didn't say that the books referred to orcs as 'Saracens', this was the name that Europeans used to give Ottomans.

You need to start to realise that books sometimes have messages in them which are oblique or alluded to in metaphor.

Ya'qub wrote:

Courage wrote:

I don't think the orcs were even once referred to as Saracens. Plus the elves carry Arab Saifs and Arab bows.

The story: Hobbits and dwarfs ally themselves with the elves to fight against orcs.

The history: British and French ally themselves with the Arabs to fight against the Turks.

Hmmm...

I didn't say that the books referred to orcs as 'Saracens', this was the name that Europeans used to give Ottomans.

You need to start to realise that books sometimes have messages in them which are oblique or alluded to in metaphor.

Even if it did. Does it matter? If no one made that connection until after you pointed it out (altho i still have my doubts) does it change anything?

Seraphim wrote:

Even if it did. Does it matter? If no one made that connection until after you pointed it out (altho i still have my doubts) does it change anything?

It doesn't change anything. I was merely stating what the book was originally trying to say. The author was a very good thinker and a good friend of Martin Lings. It doesn't really matter, but it is just interesting (to some people).

hmmmm, i see. I never really made the connection tbh. And even if i went on without knowing this it probably wouldnt have made any difference in my opinion as to the crusades. I would have just gone on to believe this to be a story about good, evil and the fellowship.

Ya'qub wrote:

Courage wrote:

I don't think the orcs were even once referred to as Saracens. Plus the elves carry Arab Saifs and Arab bows.

The story: Hobbits and dwarfs ally themselves with the elves to fight against orcs.

The history: British and French ally themselves with the Arabs to fight against the Turks.

Hmmm...

I didn't say that the books referred to orcs as 'Saracens', this was the name that Europeans used to give Ottomans.

You need to start to realise that books sometimes have messages in them which are oblique or alluded to in metaphor.

I never said we shouldn't look into the metaphor, but I think you're reading too much into this. Arabs were called Saracens during the crusdaes. Just like Wednesday said, we should look at the social context rather than be paranoid and jump to conclusions.

Nah, i think you guys are reading WAAAAYYYYY too much into it.

Just enjoy it for what it is.

Midnight wrote:

Nah, i think you guys are reading WAAAAYYYYY too much into it.

Just enjoy it for what it is.

Or maybe she is.

Courage wrote:

Or maybe she is.

Or maybe she isn't.

(this could go on forever).

Midnight wrote:

Nah, i think you guys are reading WAAAAYYYYY too much into it.

Just enjoy it for what it is.

I actually agree with her. You're seeing things where theres nothing to be seen.
Drawing shapes from clouds.

Why would an intelligent person spend a great portion of their life writing an epic book if it was just meaningless fairy stories? There is ALWAYS a secondary/ hidden meaning.

That is why fantasy/sci-fi stories are relevant to us. Because they are trying to say more than just the words that are printed on the page.

You guys need to open your minds a little.

Because they enjoy telling a good story. Maybe you can draw some deeper meaning from it, but that shouldn't distract from the overall story.

For me the Fellowship of the Ring was mostly about Friendship, loyalty, over-coming great odds, and how the smallest of things can make all the difference.

Ya'qub wrote:

Why would an intelligent person spend a great portion of their life writing an epic book if it was just meaningless fairy stories? There is ALWAYS a secondary/ hidden meaning.

That is why fantasy/sci-fi stories are relevant to us. Because they are trying to say more than just the words that are printed on the page.

You guys need to open your minds a little.

Because maybe he was referring to something else. WW2 maybe?

Courage wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

Why would an intelligent person spend a great portion of their life writing an epic book if it was just meaningless fairy stories? There is ALWAYS a secondary/ hidden meaning.

That is why fantasy/sci-fi stories are relevant to us. Because they are trying to say more than just the words that are printed on the page.

You guys need to open your minds a little.

Because maybe he was referring to something else. WW2 maybe?

Maybe... if he had a time machine.