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Smoke ban threat to shisha cafes
The smoking ban which comes into force in July could drive shisha cafes out of business, traders have warned.
Cafe owners in Edgware Road, west London, are campaigning for the popular Middle Eastern tobacco pipe to be exempt from the new legislation.
Cafe owner Ibrahim El-Nour said shisha contained "small amounts of tobacco" and was less harmful than cigarettes.
"Shisha smoking is a social activity enjoyed by different age groups in social gatherings and a happy environment," he said.
"By driving shisha cafes out of business and causing their closures, the government is showing disregard to the whole community."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6498099.stm
Smoking is a disgusting habit. It’s rude to smoke in front of non smoker and I totally agree with the smoking ban that will become into effect from July.
However, whilst I’m not a Shisha lover myself…doesn’t anyone think it’s silly to implement a smoking ban in a Shisha restaurant? It’s like enforcing a ‘no alcohol’ ban in Pubs.
I understand that this ban is for the benefit of non smokers….but why on Earth would a non smoker who can’t stand second hand smoke spend her/his time in a Shisha restaurant?
I don’t visit Shisha places…mainly cos, my local ones are full of teenagers. However, I’m not against them totally…I can see the appeal in classy shisha restaurants, especially the ones in Edgware Rd…
Is anyone else looking forward to the ban?
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But they are billed for it. We call it tax.
In the same way why should someone pay the same as another person who is more likely to get injured or use the NHS?
How do you know the person will pay up later?
Car insurance does not cover NHS costs.
The manner in which you types up the NHS story implied you thought they were linked. Now you have clarified they are not.
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[quote="Admin"]In the same way why should someone pay the same as another person who is more likely to get injured or use the NHS?[/quote]
Because its not their fault....
[quote="Admin"]How do you know the person will pay up later?[/quote]
If they don't you can start legal proceedings or get a bailiff after 'em.
[quote="Admin"]Car insurance does not cover NHS costs.[/quote]
Then why do insurance companies cover medical expenses, emergency treatment, and cover for death or injury caused to the persons involved in an accident. It all comes as standard; comprehensive and third party.
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[quote="MuslimBro"][quote="Admin"]In the same way why should someone pay the same as another person who is more likely to get injured or use the NHS?[/quote]
Because its not their fault....[/quote]
and why should i care?
[quote][quote="Admin"]How do you know the person will pay up later?[/quote]
If they don't you can start legal proceedings or get a bailiff after 'em.[/quote]
More expenses.
[quote][quote="Admin"]Car insurance does not cover NHS costs.[/quote]
Then why do insurance companies cover medical expenses, emergency treatment, and cover for death or injury caused to the persons involved in an accident. It all comes as standard; comprehensive and third party.[/quote]
Most of those are for places and situations where those things are not covered. The money does not go to the NHS.
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[quote="Admin"]and why should i care?[/quote]
Not asking you to. There will be things you disagree with and that's your opinion.
[quote="Admin"]More expenses.[/quote]
The extra expenses will be paid by the person who couldn't care to pay the costs in the first place. It happens with everything, if you don't pay something within a certain period then you have to pay extra. If the bailiff come after you then you will also have to pay their charges on top of what you already owe.
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is it possible to 'report' people smoking when the non smoking ban is implemented?
i cant wait to pull out the fone when someone blows smoke in my face in a non smoking area :twisted:
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Some smokers are inconsiderate. Others are becoming victims of over-regulating, such as people who cannot smoke in their own air-conditioned office or in pubs that will not be allowed to provide a smoking room. The treasury receives almost 90% of the cost of every pack of cigarettes and smokers already rationalise that they are paying a good deal back, without having to suffer discrimination from the NHS. I believe blowing smoke in someone's face should be classed as a specific nuisance, like farting in a lift if not worse - I already am fed up of people who blow weed smoke my way - but smoking in a designated area is not really an inconvenience even to a non-smoker who passes nearby. I feel that to assert otherwise is just persecution. Sorry to say I eventually caved in after my last effort to give up but I am switching back to tobacco snuff. Since this inconveniences nobody it will be interesting to see if I continue to get abuse.
The argument that smokers bring ill-health on themselves and should pay for it is doubly unfair given that this logic is not applied to the consequences of bad driving, over-eating, under-eating, drunkenness or rehabilitation on the NHS, none of which incur the same taxes that smoking does. I think it would be better to campaign for a scheme to opt-out of the NHS for tax credits provided one has comprehensive health insurance (which already does penalise smoking).
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smokers are a dying breed
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Everyone alive is a dying breed! :twisted:
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[quote="Admin"]Everyone alive is a dying breed! :twisted:[/quote]
Except me... i intend to live forever... so far so good. 8)
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[quote="Admin"]Everyone alive is a dying breed! :twisted:[/quote]
thank you that cheered me up no end
[quote="Admin"]So, you advocate leave the injured at the sides of the road? Afterall it is their fault.[/quote]
Nope, treat them then send them an invoice. The taxes that people pay should only cover what is considered to be an accident where the victim is not at fault.
[quote="Admin"]If you mfall while walking you get treatment, but if you run, you don't?[/quote]
Nope, you get treated for both.
[quote="Admin"]They also pay the taxes that fund the NHS.
The NHS is free at point of service. It is not Free. People pay taxes. I pay taxes. I expect to be treated even if I did something stupid. [/quote]
As I've said before, taxes should cover only what is considered to be an accident where the victim is not at fault.
[quote="Admin"]Almost all road accidents can be attributed to one party or the other. Maybe one should be left to bleed on the side of the road.[/quote]
That's what car insurance is for, they pay for the damages and healthcare.
[quote="Admin"]The scheduling for a minor operation would not be affected by extra people in accident and Emergency.[/quote]
The bit about drunk people in A&E was an unrelated point to the minor operation.