"MuslimSister" wrote:

Well. The martial arts guys were still madly swinging their swords when I was leaving - so perhaps some heads did get cut off.

mashaAllah

Our history lessons didn't consist of learning about the Ottoman Empire (mine didn't) and some people may not know much about Islamic history and the importance of the Caliphate so I thought I would enlighten you by showing you this video.

Please watch the whole of it without forwarding. Preferably with headphones on so you can hear the sounds properly. The video is just under 47 mins long and contains scenes which might make some people cry so have some tissue nearby.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2aX-9j6H8[/url]

I argue with my history teacher everyday why the greatest empire quite clearly isnt taught in history yet we learn about some jacka$$es who funded hitler.

"MuslimBro" wrote:

Our history lessons didn't consist of learning about the Ottoman Empire (mine didn't) and some people may not know much about Islamic history and the importance of the Caliphate so I thought I would enlighten you by showing you this video.

Please watch the whole of it without forwarding. Preferably with headphones on so you can hear the sounds properly. The video is just under 47 mins long and contains scenes which might make some people cry so have some tissue nearby.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2aX-9j6H8[/url]

You do realise it isn't technically a history lesson if it's political propaganda, don't you?

"Beast" wrote:

You do realise it isn't technically a history lesson if it's political propaganda, don't you?

I don't think there has ever been a history lesson NOT full of propaganda, since humans are in their nature subjective and not objective beings.

But this is so obviously propaganda.

In a history lesson you try to sort the propaganda from the "reality".

"Beast" wrote:

But this is so obviously propaganda.

In a history lesson you try to sort the propaganda from the "reality".

Unfortunately the problem with that reality is that it may not necessarily be the "WHOLE" truth. History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.

"Seraphim" wrote:

Unfortunately the problem with that reality is that it may not necessarily be the "WHOLE" truth. History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.

That's true for what most people think happened in the past.

However, history as taught at an academic level is about continually trying to reveal more and more of the "whole truth". History is not set in stone.

History in a short film like this is a "version of past events that people have decided to agree upon". In this case people from HT.

You can in fact find tens and even hundreds of books written on each of the issues covered in this film. You can read those books to find out more of the "whole truth". Or you can get your "history" from short films.

So Beast, did you find anything in the video to be untrue?

To be honest with you I never did find the subject history (in school) interesting. Also I prefer watching videos or listening to something than reading. I'm assuming you love reading big fat books.

"MuslimBro" wrote:

So Beast, did you find anything in the video to be untrue?

To be honest with you I never did find the subject history (in school) interesting. Also I prefer watching videos or listening to something than reading. I'm assuming you love reading big fat books.

As for something being untrue, it's difficult to outright lie when your just presenting little snippets of everything. However, the film overlooks the fact that Ataturk fought the British and French to get Turkish independence. The film also appeared to suggest that the UN outright handed Srebrenica over to the Serbs and left. In fact the Serbs were shelling Srebrenica while Dutch peacekeepers were there. The Serbs then entered the camp and threatened to kill the Dutch peacekeepers if the UN used force against them.

Aside from that, the gist of the film seems to be that the Ottoman Empire was taken over by the French and British, Muslims have been suffering ever since, the answer to the suffering is HT. That's not a history by anyone's standard. It's propaganda.

Thanks for the elaborations.

"Beast" wrote:

the answer to the suffering is HT.

Actually, what I seemed to get is that the answer is to have a Caliphate. You do agree that there should be a Caliphate right?

I seem to think that you got something against HT.

that's a pure HT video (haven't even watched the video, the title screams HT! msbro, don't get sucked in! lol). that dude who stuck it up is the admin of 7cgen, showats forum. they use that video to make people feel guilty about what’s going in the ummah today and bla bla. i can remember a sister made me watch that video.

im ready to thump my sister

her snoring is driving me BONKERS!!!! :evil:

ive already slapped her but obviously not hard enough :twisted:

lol! haha, no light and a snoring sister!

enjoy :twisted:

whenever i'm away from home, even if its just out of city, my family are extra, extra nice to me. i went to london, and my bro would ring me every 10 mins asking if i was ok and if i needed anything. at home he's a complete dog. i was like what's got into you! same with dad, in bham he would ring me at least 20 times a day to check if i was ok, at home, i go without days without seeing dad.

is it just my weird family or is everyone else’s like that?

woo hoo, fajr time is here!

its just your family.

"MuslimBro" wrote:

Actually, what I seemed to get is that the answer is to have a Caliphate. You do agree that there should be a Caliphate right?

I seem to think that you got something against HT.

I don't know about the restoration of the Caliphate. I haven't read any scholarly opinions on it. So I'm open to persuasion.

Bear in mind, towards the end the Caliphate was more or less a symbolic office and was open to political manipulation. A restored Caliphate would also be open to such manipulation.

Whether the restoration of the Caliphate is the solution to the problems of the Muslim world, I doubt it. People aren't about to forget their differences and unite under a single religious authority.

"Noor" wrote:

whenever i'm away from home, even if its just out of city, my family are extra, extra nice to me. i went to london, and my bro would ring me every 10 mins asking if i was ok and if i needed anything. at home he's a complete dog. i was like what's got into you! same with dad, in bham he would ring me at least 20 times a day to check if i was ok, at home, i go without days without seeing dad.

is it just my weird family or is everyone else’s like that?

woo hoo, fajr time is here!

My family generally isnt - but my dad usually is. And thats even when Im away from home and he's with me...just so that I dont get homesick. He'll stuff my pockets with cash - he'll buy me icecreams and milkshakes reg (treating me like I'm a baby)...when we went to hajj he shivered in the night but gave me the top part of his ihraam when I was cold in the nights of mina...once when I was ill in pakland he watched over me as I slept and fell asleep on the floor/sofa....he'll take me to all the expensive resturants....and I must have been around 20 in those trips!

He turns into a different man when I'm not at home.

lol, same here. in pk my dad took me and my sis everywhere, every night he would take us to islamabad, restaurants etc. same with uncles, they treated us like royalty there and back here, they're completely different people!

Its only my dad though - I wish my good for nothing brother had a sense of responsibility on him.

Whenever I asked him to get me something in saudi he'd complain about the heat - whearas dad, without complaining would stand in the long queues, in the midday heat of about 40plus, fighting with the Arabs to get our lunch and told us to wait in the cool hotel.

I dunno whats wrong with teenage Muslim boys though - they have no sense of responsibility.

Im sure there was a thread for ideas for the revival mag but cant seem to find it….. oh well.

Anyway have you thought about advertising second hand cars like Loot and Auto trader do? You could charge ppl to place an add. Its advantageous to both the magazine and the ppl placing the add, they get to sell their car and you can profit from it.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

I dunno whats wrong with teenage Muslim boys though - they have no sense of responsibility.

yeah im sure the muslim boys you met have none but you shouldnt generalise like that.

"Noor" wrote:

they use that video to make people feel guilty about what’s going in the ummah today and bla bla.

But shouldn't we be feeling guilty? The Prophet (pbuh) described the Ummah as a body, so when one part of the body feels pain the other parts of the body feel it too. If a part of our body aches, we're not going to sit there and do nothing.... we're going to do something about it but what are we really doing about the state of the Muslim Ummah today.

Hell there are even Muslims who don't even know where or what the Gaza strip is, let alone making du'a for them.

@ Beast - InshaAllah I'll try and get you some info about the restoration of the Caliphate. I also don't think the Caliphate would be able to get rid of all the problems we face today but I certainly think that we would be living a better life if there was one.

i attended a short series of talks by a very knowledgeable brother re: the caliphate. He went through all the proofs from the quran, hadith, sahaba and classical scholars a long with the proofs against secular democracy. He basically persuaded me that it is pretty much fundamental to the faith that the Muslim lands collectively should be ruled in this way - of course there hasn't been a true caliphate since the death of Uthman (ra) - all the later rulers we basically kings with long dynastys and all the things that go along with them - corruption, exploitation of the poor, big palaces and inevitable in-fighting and struggles for power.

In uni, have been here since 6.15ish and i've only done a paragraphs worth of work.

The way i'm going, i'm probably going to fail :?

Regarding the Islamic state, there is an excellant book published by the MQ youth team on the Islamic state, taken from the lectures of Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri. Maasha'Allah it is excellant, need to re-read the book again but, if you can get hold of the lecture (it's in English), i advise you to watch that, it's fantastic. Clears everything up.

Going home, been pushing my cousin on the chairs for the past hour and having 'rides' lol. We're so childish.