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Lol!
By us it is the view of the majority that visiting graveyards for women is prohibited. I am not talking about the so called ulama today but rather about the classical scholars who hold weight.
Strange that u say women were banned recently?
My grandmother went for hajj in 1972 and she goes that women were not allowed in then also. I think they may change their policy or if u were young ( i think u mentioned 12/13) then perhaps due to young age they let u in?
When u went in wen u were young, were other women allowed in as well?
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
I was 13 my sister was about 11 and we were allowed in with some older lady's who we had met in Umrah.
I dunno abt that.
Saudi government policy is like yo yo, sometimes up there, sometimes down here.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Abdus
on what basis are women forbidden from visting graves?
genine Q cos I really want to know
Lady Muslima shall have to wait for me to find a relevant article by an authentic scholar on the issue.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Hereunder is the answer provided by Mufti Hazrat of Madrassah In'aamiya Camperdown.
''Hadhrat ibn Mas'ood (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, 'I
used to stop you from visiting graves, (now) visit the graves for it creates
abstention (in love) for the world and reminds of the hereafter. (Mishkaat
p. 154 - Qadeemi)
From the above Ahaadith, it is clear that visiting graves was prohibited for
all (men and women), and thereafter the prohibition was abrogated.
Therefore, it is Mustahabb for males to visit graves. With regard to
females, see the following Ahaadith:
Hadhrat Abu Huryara (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) cursed
women who visit the graveyards. (Mishkaat p. 154 - Qadeemi)
''
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
sorry is that hadith part of the sahih bukhari/muslim or any of the sahih sitah (i cnt spell it properly)?
I do not pretend to know.
I have merely quoted the standard reply given.
Mishkaat i think is a work of hadeeth by an alim after sihah sittah but i believe that the Alim who compiled it gathered hadeeth from sihah sittah and other less well known but nonetheless entirely reliable collections of ahadeeth shareef.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
so why didnt the Prophet (pbuh) curse and forbid ^^^ that woman?
i dont know the history of the hadeeth.
Perhaps that incident occurred before any prohibition on visiting the grave existed.
i cant answer ur question save to say that i have provided the standard reply given by our ulama on the issue.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
I have never heard of Allah cursing woman that visit the grave, so i am gona follow that up inshallah.
You should always understand why a fatwa is given. To gain the understanding, you must gain the knowledge. If you have the knowledge, your opinion may be different from another who has knowledge.
So just saying 'a scholar said it' is an invalid answer. Name the scholar. Then quote why he came to the decision. After that the opinion is either valid or invalid.
However if you just follow without understanding, you may do so, but bringing it up in a discussion is wrong as you do not fully know what you follow.
God gave us all a abrain. We must use it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
what i was about to say to him, but judging by his posts, i thawt Abdus was an online-Sheikh....didnt wanna question his authority
jus me or does Admin not like Abdus? :roll:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
He is too vague, and does not give details.
Here we have a saying: 'pulling an AS'
That means do not answer a direct question. Answer a different question that has not been asked, and cry innocence when people get agitated, saying he answered the he wanted to (and not the one asked).
We pulled a Paxman on him, he pulled an AS.
I do not know him, so I do not have an opinion of him. Just that he avoids answering questions.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i agree with you. ive been reading his posts quite abit.....99% are just quoting something read upon the internet :roll:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Heh, I was ar more damning in my verdict on the old forums.
But bygones are bygones.
And don't knock the 'net. UYou can learn alot if you go about it the right way.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol, nah thats called "pulling a 100" admin!
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he makes too many sweeping statements with no proofs
i have YET to see what proof his teachers have about banning women from graveyards
strange because it is only recently that i have started to quote ulama. In the past i gave the answer as given and taught to us and then referred the issue to our ulama.
I find it indeed surprising that 99% of my posts are quotes.
Before i was criticed for not giving quotes and merely referring you to the ulama, now another person has popped up and said all i do is basically quote stuff.
What is a person to do?
Damned if i dont quote, and damned if i do!
I complain to ALLAH of your state and of mine.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Im sure you'll get over it.
Remember people 'Big Brother is watching you..."
Back in BLACK
It seems at least one Lady Muslima here has perhaps some understanding of my point.
I thought initially that if I referred people to ulama and provided websites or contact details of institutes then the people who approach or contact these authorities to gain clarification.
My foolishness or my naivete, call it what u may, but i was under the impression that people were genuinely interested in finding out what the view is rather than engaging in debate to make oneself feel superior to others.
I thouhgt that the people genuinely wished to understand the point as taught by our teachers so in deference and respect to my TEACHERS and the other ulama connected with our chain i wud refer the ppl there because the ulama wud explain the issue in a way that i am unable to. I thought ppl wud prefer to here a structed explanation rather than read my ramblings but it seems i was mistaken.
People here are not interested in understanding what our Teachers respected teach but rather wish to engage in debate.
In light of this again I refrained from giving my personal opinion, because contrary to what many people think, I dont claim to have any standing in religion, nor am I capable to comment on ALLAH'S QURAN or the Ahadeeth Mubarak. Hence I began to quote our ulama verbatim, so at one time i provide you with the facility to read our stance and also save myself from attributing lies to ALLAH Rasul salallahu alayhi wa sallam.
Now neither option it appears is good enough.
To ALLAH do I complain!
But let me make it clear if any1 expects me to start quoting hadeeth by myself or quoting ayaat by myself they shall be sorely disappointed. It is not for a sinner and ignoramus like myself to offer my personal opinon on the sacred texts.
Yes I agree we have intellect. But none of the people here would start diagnosing an ill person until he became a doctor, so why do u expect me to start dabbling in deen when i have not had the training. I have not offered my personal opinion, but rather as u will note have continually either referred to my Teachers Respected or referred you to ulama.
Never have I made a claim to an opinon for that is among the 4 traits of fitnah.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Lady Muslima you surprise me!
A few posts prior to this I provided a quote from Madrassah Inaamiya that is the reply to the issue of women and graveyards.
I opnely declare that other than this reply I have nohting more to offer because that is the reply given by our ulama.
But kindly explain why u rite that i havent provided any proof? The qote from Madrassah Inaamiyah was the ''proof'', perchance u mised reading it?
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Heh, thats life!
quoting is a good thing in my books. It stops you making stupid mistakes, which you realise later on. (I have been guilty of this myself. Corrected by others.)
However it is better if you also understand the issues, and discuss them from a semi open position.
Instead of linking to a website, link to a apecific article which is relevant.
For instance if in a debate I said see The Revival; you will be confused. We have 12-1800 pages on our site!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salam
To answer the lady's questions:
Omrow
salam im here to say that i go to grave yards when ever i get time , i go there and put incence on every muslim grave, even the little kids and old guys etc , and pray for them to be forgiven,i belive it is ok to go and show respect to my brothers sisters and uncles and auntys that have pastaway, i hope when i die 1 day, there will be someone like me who will do what i do and pary for me too ,, inshallah allah is great ...
Wsalaam.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
great sectarianism is the disease of this ummah, what do wahabis have to do with not permitting women to visit graves?
deobandis and berelwis can be against is also.
It's not true that souls can see through women's clothing.
As muslimsis pointed out it was mainly to do with a lack of hijab, and women wailing, or causing a danger to themselves by visiting without mahrams at strange hours.
It depends on what madahab you follow but this is what i know according to hanafi views, you should read a dua' on entering the graveyard, to which all the muslim souls will reply..obviously you won't hear them lol.
if possible recite Surah yasin, take a mini Quran if you don't know it by heart. Shorter surahs to recite are all the Quls or ayatul Kursi.
After that you can make du'a of your own.
Apparently the dead find comfort in the living muslims especially their own family visiting them, and supplicating for them, and the living derive pleasure from knowing they are helping their deceased loved ones by praying for them. Also more obviously its the best way to remember death standing amongst the graves.
It is sunnah to visit the graves on Thursday night up to Monday itself. Many men visit straight after jummuah. Barig this in mind sisters may wish to avoid the crowds of men an visit on an alternative day or hour.
When im in my hometown i go to the graveyard once a week without fail, my mum is there how can i neglect her.
We can supplicate for muslims in general even if we have no loved ones that have deceased, so there is still benefit to be gained by visiting.
As for non muslim graveyards i guess if it helps you remember death it may be good, but im sure you know we are not permitted to supplicate for them. I have visited a crematorium once, it was like the most beautiful park in the town, like a country park but very well kept, made me think why aren't all muslim graveyards like this minus the trees, i dont like trees especially when its gloomy, just look so eerie. Strangely i felt at peace there and even though they're non muslims i still felt how temporary and meaningless this life was compared to the next.
“O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the hereafter that is the home that will remain forever.” [Ghafir : 39]
No disrespect but the Saudi's are american arse licking puppets, they are removing all places of baraqaat, They have no respect for other nationals and are only interested in revenue generated by tourism, their human rights standards should be checked towards multi national work force, they are planning to buld a shopping mall at the site of Prophet peace be upon him;s birth place, they slap you with sticks at prophets mosque shoild one want to make dhua,they are palnning on closing cave Hirah. These Salafi's, (Rightly guided ones: what a joke), Wahabi's need a revolution to rid of them.the two harams do not belong to the Arabs, these two places are for all Muslim UMMAH,I bet The Saudi goverment wont tell you that.These Wahabi should be given a Fatwa " Non Muslims" like the Qadiani's.
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