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Salaam
Preachers do not have to be saints. However, they should at a very minimum avoid the major sins such as zina, drinking alcohol, drugs, fraud etc etc
A preacher involved in the above delivering lectures is just as absurd as a girl dressed in a mini skirt and sleeveless top delivering a lecture to hundreds of people about the Hijaab.
When a preacher who involved in extremely anti Islamic activities delivers lectures, he should know that it’s not just his own credibility that suffers, its also the credibility of his family, his message, his group/organisation and to non Muslims the image of Islam suffers as a result…
Such people cause more damage then good…this is why you often hear certain elders say stuff like “it’s the preachers from so and so group/organisation that are the bad ones; I once saw so and so….etc etc”.
Of course, WE shouldn’t judge or condemn, however, we should also be aware that society on the whole IS quick to nit pick…so like I said, why give them a reason to talk?
Wasalaam
That's so true, if you dont practice what you're preaching it can be dangerous as others feel that you're not taking your own advice so why should they.
Hayder, i agree people are judged on their intentions and they might be trying to change themselves but they can't preach something they aint doin themselves, its hyprocrisy. So rather than helping others they will just lead them to be put off the message itself.
i dont think we're THAT desperate for preachers/leaders yet that the worst amongst us have to start taking that role :roll:
yes we are.
Wjy do you tink its always the Loonies that are picked up by the media? because there are too few credible mainstream leaders in he uk.
This goes all the way from top to bottom.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin i dont get your point , are you saying that because there are a lack of leaders we should settle for hypocrites as leaders
well i wont, i dont like anyone who preaches to me what they dont practice, sis makes a good point, we aint that desperate
[b]let the hypocrite leaders/imams/speakers look in the mirror preach to themselves in the mirror until they get their own message[/b]
The loonies are always picked up because the media [b]looks[/b] to pick them up, their are loonies in every religion and organisation
what has this got to do with the hypocritical preachers :?:
And its common knowledge that these "preachers" have done a LOT more damage then good...
and there will always be people vying to fill the place left vacant due to lack of proper leadership.
These people can do alot of damage. but then again, someone needs to step forward. And we are all humans. We are all fallible.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yes i agree on major sins such as those mentioned above.........thats blatant. them kind of people should not hold respectable positions, and if they do, should be spoken out against.
but you cant be perfect.........i.e. i do dawah work at uni, and knw many people who do, but all of us are far from perfect (a stage which cant be reached by us!), and i knw for sure theres people who dont like me and talk about me
another point i was going to say yesterday b4 i fell asleep....
take whatever good you can from a person, however little or large it is, and leave the rest behind as its of no value.
plus what about that saying you said, 70 excuses for your brother? you shouldnt give people reason to talk, but peole shouldnt talk anyway - thats todays big problem..........which is why best to take whats good from them, and remain silent on the rest
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
good point hayder bro, but doing dawah work and being an imam are too seperate things
an imam has a position of authority they are well respected , if they cant practice what they preach , theres something really wrong.
At the mosque where i was thought the head imam who was extremely learned in islam and would preach regurly, many of the young ones looked up to him with respect and honour and then he was caught commiting adultery with a prostitute, this was a shocking :shock: and caused lots of people to question :?: everything he said
this isnt the only case , what about the many imams who abuse children, in another local mosque to me an imam sexaully abused 7 kids, i will not give details because its too sickening :evil: :x :evil:
nothing in the world can justify this, if people are so fallible they shouldnt be imams.
these imams dont practice nothing of what they preach
and dodgy leaders/imams/islamic authority figures is what really damaging our beautiful religion
salaam
sorry raf (?), i wasnt reffering to Imaams in my comments....jus about people who active in dawah work and preaching
i knw the Imam stories, and i knw sum are true unfortunately
the people. i.e. the comittee, who out these kind of Imaams in charge should be questioned...........coz most of times, its ones they bring over from pakistan who are like that
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
it is these comitees which often back up these imams, i saw a documentary where a young girl reported being molested by her imam in bradford, the commitee and community elders then had the nerve offer the family money then threthen them when they refused :x
Few days ago I was in my room looking over a speech I was asked to deliver on “Mothers days”. I was in a bad mood cos of family stuff…and my mum came in my room and I said to her “why does everyone in this family drive me crazy? Leave me alone I’m trying to learn my mothers days speech”.
Yep I’m aware of the blatant contradiction in my words and actions….
Today I was reading a chapter on Zuhd (asceticism) in my Sufism book, and it was talking about gluttony and I was reading the page out loud to mum whilst eating a huge bowl of double chocolate chip ice cream..
In my house cos we have guests over we have to cook a lot more and annoyingly everyone eats in stages…so when I’ve finished making chappatti’s for two people, an hour later two other people decide that they want their dinner…this happens all day long, it was really getting on my nerves today, and I’m usually the one who knows so many stories about how considerate the Sufi’s were and how much they were willing to bend for others…
:oops:
i think i know where you are coming from Muslim Sis, but as you yourself said in another topic that as the heart becomes purer so we start to make better and right decisions - true
in that case bending too much and feeling bad or irritated may not be the right thing to do. perhaps we should all do what is within reason and what we are happy with thus having no cause to be irritated or feel put upon.
this way we may come to feel that a thing is not a chore nor a service but actually a blessing and pleasure then we can proceed further little by little willingly and with a joy
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