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I have added a quote to my post to clear up the confusion in your head.
I was referring to that wretched paper.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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Seahawks is better team than Steelers.
I couldn't have said betta than Mike Holmgren [b]"We knew it was going to be tough going against the Pittsburgh Steelers. I didn't know we were going to have to play the guys in the striped shirts as well."[/b]
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Seahawk Darrell Jackson and Chris Hope of the Steelers go face-to-face after a Jackson pass reception in the end zone. The touchdown was nullified because of an offensive pass interference penalty.
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Jim Fromke, of Kelso, who calls himself the "Sea Hulk" sports his colors at Ford Field.
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Seattle Coach Mike Holmgren calls for a review of the Steelers' first touchdown. The touchdown was ruled good
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Meet [url=http://www.litteraturnet.dk/danvalg/f_portraet.asp!fid=133&fid=133]Kåre Bluitgen[/url].
Kåre has made a career out of writing childrens books introducing them to weighty concepts like God and the third world. He is a noticed activist for third world causes and his books about God have been recognized time and again for their depth and worth.
Kåre is responsible for the Danish Cartoons.
Apparently Kåre wrote a book called "The Qur'an and the Life of the Prophet Muhammad" introducing children to Islam. The purpose of the book was to teach children about Islam, and it was not an islamophobic book. Unfortunately when Kåre was looking for illustrators he was met with death threats from extremist groups who took issue with his requests to draw Muhammad.
As a result the Jyllands paper took it upon themselves to hold contests of 40 artists telling them to draw Muhammad - a sort of protest. And the result was the series of cartoons which caused all this mess.
Interestingly enough the book features a very prominent illustration of Muhammad on the cover - it's an illustration of the night flight with Muhammad riding Buraq, it's not degrading or demeaning (other than it is an illustration of Muhammad) - certainly not the disgraceful cartoons from Jyllands.
Amazing... this guy is one of the good guys - the paper just used his unfortunate scenario to further their own agenda.
Was at the event in London yesterday. Imaam Zaid Shakir is brillant, first time i heard him live. His analysis of the situation was brillant to say the least. Infact all the shaykh put the current situation in perpective. But what was said, was that the Prophet
used to go to great lenghts to show great respect and consideration to amabassor who used to pass by or come to visit him. So there can never be any justification for bombing and destorying these embassy in the muslims land. He mention in fact we are ourselves disrespecting the prophet 
by undertakings these actions and unlike the non muslims we have no excuse as we know the truth.
One of them mention that to truely respect the prophet we should focus on treating and eradicating the ills of humanity. Anyway a comment from the crowd best describe the situation. someone mention Aparthied in South Africa and mention a comment about it, about how the white man kick the black man when he is down, but as teaches how to react to the situation to best serve their needs. Basically saying the people who created the cartoons wanted to see the muslims react the way they are, so they can prove their point of muslims being uncivilised and as muslims we fall for it all the time. I think Imaam Zaid Shakir said it best, when he said, It not by any mean necessary, it by any mean ordain on us by Allah (swt) because that what we need to remember, who we have to please.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
Were you the one who couldn't stop smiling?
[size=18][url=http://www.minhajuk.org/nieuws.php?news_id=1139369202]MQI UK Condemns Caricatures & Organises Rally[/url][/size]
Covers why the cartoons were a bad move.....as well as a VERY GOOD legal challenge to the view that they should be allowed under 'freedom of expression' ............. And what action the Minhaj Ul Quran will be taking
as well as being at [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1430]This demonstration[/url]
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[size=18]Cartoon row imams snubbed
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Denmark's government, angry at local imams accused of whipping up anti-Danish anger in the Middle East over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, said yesterday it would exclude them from talks on ethnic minority integration.
A number of Danish politicians and the media have accused some Muslim leaders of stirring up resentment during a tour of the Middle East in December and January, when the row over cartoons first published last September resurfaced, stoking violent demonstrations.
Denmark's centre-right government has remained in power partly because of crackdowns on immigration. Last year it introduced plans to better integrate ethnic minorities into the country.
The exclusion from that process would apply only to those individuals who took part in the Middle East tour, a government official said.
Imam Abu-Laban, who was among the group of Muslim leaders to travel to the Middle East and has been an interlocutor of the government in integration talks, told Reuters Television he regretted if his criticisms had contributed to the violence.
[url=http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/cartoon-row-imams-snubbed/2006/02/09... (The Age)[/url]
wow. I thought there were enough children in this affair already.
Nest the gov will want its toys back.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Quite right. The Imams involved [url=http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/vidino200602060735.asp]lied[/url] and [url=http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54]fabricated evidence[/url].
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Wow...
They should answer for this in a manner more reflective of their guilt. Getting access shut off isn't enough.
Not quite.
Abu Laban (apparently the most senior Danish imam) maintains that the additional images were not attributed to Jyllands-Posten. But on Hardtalk he appeared unwilling to defend the head of the delegation that went to the Middle east. So who knows.
Only the release of this 'dossier' will clear things up.
That is obfuscation on their part. As an example of Danish racism they distributed an unattributed childish sketch, the picture that was really a photograph of a bearded man at a bizarre French 'pig squealing' contest, photocopied to the point of being heavily grainy, and a similarly grainy picture that apparently showed a dog mounting a Muslim in prayer that is also from a photograph. While only the one picture has been identified, and found fraudulent, the Imams refuse to give a source for any of them. It is clear if you have taken a look at the cartoons that these three pictures are distinctly more offensive than anything the newspaper published. (I'm sure you can find them. Otherwise I don't know about the wisdom of providing a link so you can judge that for yourself, but if Mods don't object you need only ask.) What "clears things up" is that they refused to provide a legitimate source. Turns out they couldn't.
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When Muslim ambassadors complained to the Danbish PM about the cartoons they cited not only the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten but also other instances where Muslims have been unfairly portrayed.
[url=http://www.filtrat.dk/grafik/Letterfromambassadors.pdf]Letter sent by Muslim ambassadors[/url]. (PDF)
I have read that the 'extra' pictures/cartoons were sent as hate-mail to Danish Muslim organisations. Ther inclusion in the dossier sits well with the fact that the dossier was about the general atmosphere in Demark and the situation that Danish Muslims are facing. If you can provide a source for the information that the imams refuse to provide a source for the [i]more offensive[/i] images then that would be great. (You don't have have to link to the images themselves, that would be inappropriate)
To question certain aspects of the dossier and then to use that to discredit the entire stance of the Danish imams and to accuse them of personally instigating and/or orchestrating the whole affair is disingenuous.
"There is certainly a problem with this account: every time Danish or foreign reporters asked to meet the Muslims sent those letters, or simply to see the original hate mail, they were told no, or promised they would be made available, only for that promise not to be kept." [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WERXKXUXYDP55QFIQM...
You can disagree, but I'm not being disingenuous for a minute. Disingenuous is forcing resignations, threatening death, torching buildings and organising boycotts because of these cartoons, while claiming it is an issue of being allowed to integrate. One thing we are clear about, I think, is that at least one of those pictures was not an image of Mohammed, and was not a mockery of Muslims, but was presented as such.
Maybe not disingenuous, but anyway absurdly out of perspective. As is overturning cars and torching cinemas in Pakistan because some Qurans have been found in a gutter. As were the riots in France and Belgium. There is no reason with this highly agitated population.
Yet during Ramadan, to no protest, the Egyptian Al Faqr published these same cartoons by way of reporting them, doing just the same as many European papers and the Jordanian papers, one whose editor was fired and the other whose owner was arrested and then released, the Malaysian paper whose editor resigned and the Yemenite paper which was closed down and whose editor was arrested. If the protests were spontaneous then a large chunk of the Muslim populace represents a dire threat, or they were orchestrated, which is a containable threat. Either way it seems to have been Abu Laban's intention to make as much of this as possible.
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Integration?!?
The question of integration of second-generation Muslims in Europe was the last thing on the minds of the people who threatened death and torched buildings. Such actions were taken by, or at least instigated by, extremist elements. These guys would look to exploit any situation or incident just to whip up anger at the West. They have quite clearly succeeded here. This wasn’t just about the cartoons. It certainly wasn’t about integration.
As for the boycotts, you forget that the Danish PM snubbed Muslim ambassadors. This particular diplomatic blunder was condemned by several former Danish diplomats. The governments of these nations wanted to do something to get back at the Danish government. Ordinary Saudis and Kuwaitis were unlikely to implement a boycott just to defend the honour of their governments, so the govs framed it as a boycott to defend the honour of the Prophet. Integration of second-generation Muslims into European society had nothing to do with it. Nor was this an issue just about the cartoons.
How can we be clear about it? How do we know that this wasn’t intended as an insult and sent as hate-mail?
Only the release of the ‘dossier can clear that up.
Yes, burning buildings and issuing death threats was completely out of perspective. At least where the cartoons are concerned. But considered in the context of societies where extreme elements are always seeking to create disorder and anarchy maybe it’s not so out of perspective.
Do you have a source for the contention that cars were overturned and cinemas torched in Pakistan because some Qurans were found in a gutter?
Just quickly, what was out of perspective in the riots in France and Belgium?
Yes, lets consider this sentence for a while…
If only there were some solution to finally deal with this troublesome population.
Do you have a source for the contention that several European newspapers published the cartoons by way of reporting them?
To my knowledge, during Ramadan several European newspapers [i]didn’t[/i] publish the cartoons in order to [i]just[/i] cause offence. The cartoons had [i]not[/i] received massive media coverage. Protest was being made at the diplomatic level.
The protests of late January and early February were organised by certain organisations, often conservative and ‘religious’ political parties. The anger over the cartoons provided these parties with the opportunity to show-off their ‘support-base’ and get on the widely broadcast cable news channels. These protests were spontaneous in the would-be organisers saw the news reports about the controversy on the telly and read about it in the papers and decided to stage a demo. No doubt they took into account the fact the more violent and stormy the demo the more the chance of it getting global media coverage.
But it is presented as a protest that Muslims are discriminated against.
You are right, I did forget that. [url=http://www.stm.dk/Index/dokumenter.asp?o=2&n=0&d=2511&s=1]Here[/url] is his latest. Clearly he feels there is a poor relationship between Denmark and 'the Muslim world' most generally. In any event it also wouldn't justify these reactions.
Maybe. Who is witholding the dossier?
Yes, just check the news. You will be upset to learn there have also been bomb attacks today, apparently by Sunnis on Shias.
Burning cars in their hundreds because they are impoverished.
That is not much consideration, just a twisting of what I wrote. Young Muslims globally, maybe only in certain pockets, but globally, are supercharged. If only there were some way indeed. I don't propose anything heinous, so I can't see why you're arguing with me.
No. It's obvious. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_that_reprinted_Jylland-P..., you work out which are evil Muslim-haters and which are just doing their job.
I think you have missed my point, that none of the spontaneous outpourings were evident in Egypt back in October.
Your position's clear. I appreciate the pains you have gone to in explaining all that. I acknowledge not knowing what Mr Abu Laban's knowledge or intentions were in including the additional images.
Respect.
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Holy bigness this is a lot of reading...
Saw this today:
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Beast.... Beast .... u have alot of energy on this site, in reality u cant and wont do a thing!!!!!!
Keep typing... well its something... as only thing u can do is CHEAP TALK
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LOL BY " Mr Lawyer "
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Where there is a will there is a way..
...and who are you?
a lawyer or maybe a liar.
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I can't believe you are who you are... seriously!
I don't see how you can make such an assertion about what I can and cannot do... :?:
Maybe you could tell me how you have risen above 'cheap talk' and done what I seemingly cannot. :?:
If you disagree with something I have written, then please present your counter-argument. Unless ofcourse you are just here to go off on one and say in capital letters the first thing that pops into your head interlaced with claims to being a lawyer.
PS and that coming from a Dudley Roader!
so you know him?
is he over 15?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
To have done an LLB and be married he'd have to be over 15.
you misunderstood my 'questionn' to be the words I placed in it.
That is exactly what I was questioning...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol that depends on whether he's telling the truth.
I understood where you were coming from Admin, but I chose not to disrespect my elders.
Dave, he is telling the truth in this case.
He's really a lawyer?
How do you know?
I'm sure he can answer for himself.
But now that I have found out who he actually is, I have no reason to question his lawyer-ness.
Very well Lion, answer for yourself.
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