[b]NO------ARABIC-------ENGLISH-----------LETTERS-------NUMERICAL VALUE----TOTAL
[color=blue]1[/color]--------BISM----------IN THE NAME---------3------------2,60,40-----------------102
[color=blue]2[/color]--------ALLAH--------GOD-------------------4------------1,30,30,5---------------66
[color=blue]3[/color]--------AL-RAHMAN--MOST GRACIOUS-----6------------1,30,200,8,40,50------329
[color=blue]4[/color]--------AL-RAHEEM---MOST MERCIFUL-----6------------1,30,200,8,10,40------289
TOTAL-----------------------------------------19-------------------------------------786
Using the data in Tables 5 and 6, we get the following [color=red]19-based mathematical facts:[/color]
[color=red]FACT 1[/color]. The Basmalah consists of 19 Arabic letters.
[color=red]FACT 2.[/color] The sequence number of each word in the Basmalah followed by the number of letters in it forms an 8-digit number which is a multiple of 19: [size=24][color=blue]1[/color] 3 [color=blue]2[/color] 4 [color=blue]3[/color] 6 [color=blue]4[/color] 6 = 19 x 19 x 36686
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[color=red]FACT 3.[/color] Replace the number of letters in each word in Fact 2 by the total gematrical value of that word. Thus, the sequence number of each word is followed by its total gematrical value, to form a 15-digit number which is a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=blue]1[/color] 102 [color=blue]2[/color] 66 [color=blue]3[/color] 329 [color=blue]4[/color] 289 = 19 x 5801401752331
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[color=red]FACT 4.[/color] Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the gematrical value of every letter in that word. For instance, the total gematrical value of the first word, 102, is replaced by 2 60 40. Similarly, the total gematrical value of the second word, 66, is replaced by 1 30 30 5, and so on. The result is a 37-digit number which is a multiple of 19:
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[color=blue]1[/color] 2 60 40 [color=blue]2[/color] 1 30 30 5 [color=blue]3[/color] 1 30 200 8 40 50 [color=blue]4[/color] 1 30 200 8 10 40 = 19 x 66336954226595422109686863843162160[/size]
[color=red]FACT 5. [/color]Insert the [color=violet]sequence number[/color] of each letter in the word before its gematrical value in Fact 4. For example, the gematrical values of the letters in first word are 2 60 40. When we insert the [color=violet]sequence numbers[/color] of the letters, we get [color=violet]1[/color] 2 [color=violet]2[/color] 60 [color=violet]3[/color] 40, where the sequence numbers are in[color=violet] italics,[/color] the gematrical values are in bold. Similarly, the gematrical values of the letters in the second word are 1 30 30 5. When we insert the sequence numbers of the letters, we get [color=violet]1[/color] 1 [color=violet]2[/color] 30[color=violet] 3[/color] 30 [color=violet]4[/color] 5, and so on. When all the numbers are put together, the result is a 56-digit number which is a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=Blue]1[/color] [color=violet]1[/color] 2 [color=violet]2[/color] 60 [color=violet]3[/color] 40 [color=blue]2[/color] [color=violet]1[/color] 1 [color=violet]2[/color] 30 [color=violet]3[/color] 30 [color=violet]4[/color] 5 [color=blue]3[/color] [color=violet]1[/color] 1 [color=violet]2[/color] 30 [color=violet]3[/color] 200 [color=violet]4[/color] 8 [color=violet]5[/color] 40 [color=violet]6[/color] 50 [color=blue]4[/color] [color=violet]1[/color] 1 [color=violet]2[/color] 30 [color=violet]3[/color] 200 [color=violet]4[/color] 8 [color=violet]5[/color] 10 [color=violet]6[/color] 40 = 19 x 590843895848580686595 . . .[/size]
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FACT 6.[/color] Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the sum of the gematrical values of the first and the last letter in that word. For instance, the total gematrical value of the first word, 102, is replaced by 42. The number 42 is the sum of 2 and 40, which are the gematrical values of the first and the last letter in the first word. Similarly, the total gematrical value of the second word, 66, is replaced by 6, the sum of 1 and 5. Repeating this process for the four words of the Basmalah,we get an 11-digit number which is a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=blue]1[/color] 42 [color=blue]2[/color] 6 [color=blue]3[/color] 51 [color=blue]4[/color] 41 = 19 x 748755339 (2+40) (1+5) (1+50) (1+40)[/size]
[color=red]FACT 7.[/color] Consider the numbers used in Fact 2 and Fact 3. In Fact 2, the [color=blue]sequence number[/color] of each word is followed by the number of letters (3, 4, 6, and 6) in the word. In Fact 3, we replace the number letters by the gematrical values of the words (102, 66, 329, and 289). Now, for this case, the [color=blue]sequence number[/color] of each word will be followed by the sum of the number of letters and the gematrical value of the word. Therefore, the number we use for the first word will be 105 (3+102). It will be70 (4+66) for the second word, 335 (6+329) for the third word, and 295 (6+289) for the fourth word. Thus the sequence number of each word in the Basmalah is followed by the numbers 105, 70, 335, and 295 respectively to form a 15-digit number which is also a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=blue]1[/color] 105[color=blue] 2[/color] 70 [color=blue]3[/color] 335[color=blue] 4[/color] 295 = 19 x 5817212281805 (3+102) (4+66) (6+329) (6+289)[/size]
[color=red]FACT 8.[/color] Consider Fact 2, where the [color=blue]sequence number[/color] of each word in the Basmalah is followed by the number of letters in the word. In this case, the [color=blue]sequence number[/color] of each word will be followed by the total number of letters up to and including that word (cumulative total). For example, the number of letters in the Basmalah's four words are 3, 4, 6 and 6, respectively. Then the cumulative total number of letters will be 3 for the first word. It will be 7 (3+4) for the second word, 13 (3+4+6) for the third word, and finally 19 (3+4+6+6) for the last word. Therefore, we write down the sequence numbers of the words followed by the cumulative total number of letters corresponding to the word. The result is a 10-digit number which is also a multiple of 19:
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[color=blue]1[/color] 3 [color=blue]2 [/color] 7 [color=blue]3 [/color] 13 [color=blue]4[/color] 19 = 19 x 69858601
(3+4) (3+4+6) (3+4+6+6)[/size]
[color=red]FACT 9.[/color] This fact is very similar to Fact 8. In this fact, instead of using the cumulative total number of letters for each word, we use the cumulative total of the gematrical values of the letters corresponding to the word. For example, the gematrical value of the letters in the Basmalah's four words are 102, 66, 329 and 289, respectively. Then the cumulative total of the gematrical values of the letters will be 102 for the first word. It will be 168 (102+66) for the second word, 497 (102+66+329) for the third word, and finally 786 (102+66+329+289) for the last word.
Therefore, we write down the [color=blue]sequence numbers[/color] of the words followed by the cumulative total of the gematrical values of the letters corresponding to the word. The resultant 16-digit number is a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=blue]1[/color] 102 [color=blue]2[/color] 168 [color=blue]3[/color] 497[color=blue] 4[/color] 786 = 19 x 58011412367094
(102+66) (102+66+329) (102+66+329+289)[/size]
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FACT 10.[/color] The gematrical value of each letter is followed by its [color=violet]sequence number[/color] (1 through 19) in the Basmalah to form a 62-digit number that is a multiple of 19. The sequence numbers are printed in bold:
[size=24]2[color=violet] 1[/color] 60 [color=violet]2[/color] 40 [color=violet]3[/color] 1 [color=violet]4[/color] 30[color=violet] 5[/color] 30 [color=violet]6[/color] 5 [color=violet]7[/color] 1 [color=violet]8[/color] 30 [color=violet]9[/color] 200 [color=violet]10[/color] 8 [color=violet]11[/color] 40 [color=violet]12[/color] 50 [color=violet]13[/color] 1 [color=violet]14[/color] 30 [color=violet]15[/color] 200 [color=violet]16[/color] 8 [color=violet]17[/color] 10 [color=violet]18[/color] 40 [color=violet]19[/color] = 19 x 113696858647647 . . .[/size]
In this fact, each one of the four words of the Basmalah is underlined to show the numbers representing these words. This information will be helpful to understand the next fact.
[color=red]FACT 11.[/color] Insert the [color=blue]sequence number of each word (1, 2, 3, and 4)[/color] at the end of the underlined numbers in Fact 10 while keeping all the numbers the same. The result is a 66-digit number that is a multiple of 19. The sequence numbers of the words are printed in italics:
[size=24]2 [color=violet]1[/color] 60 [color=violet]2[/color] 40 [color=violet]3[/color] [color=blue]1[/color] 1 [color=violet]4[/color] 30 [color=violet]5[/color] 30 [color=violet]6[/color][color=violet] 5[/color] [color=violet]7[/color] [color=blue]2[/color] 1 [color=violet]8[/color] 30 [color=violet]9[/color] 200 [color=violet]10[/color] 8 [color=violet]11[/color] 40 [color=violet]12[/color] 50 [color=violet]13[/color] [color=blue]3[/color] 1 [color=violet]14[/color] 30 [color=violet]15[/color] 200 [color=violet]16[/color] 8 [color=violet]17[/color] 10 [color=violet]18[/color] 40 [color=violet]19[/color] [color=blue]4[/color] = 19 x 1136968584963 . . .
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[color=red]FACT 12.[/color] Consider the numbers in Fact 11, and replace the sequence numbers of the words (1, 2, 3, and 4) with their [color=blue]gematrical values (102, 66, 329, and 289)[/color], while keeping all the other numbers the same. The result is a 73-digit number, also a multiple of 19:
[size=24]2 1 60 2 40 3 [color=blue]102[/color] 1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 [color=blue]66[/color] 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50 13 [color=blue]329[/color] 1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 [color=blue]289 [/color]= 19 x 113696858432 . . .[/size]
[color=red]FACT 13.[/color] This time let us change the position of the [color=blue]gematrical values of the words (102, 66, 329, and 289)[/color] in Fact 12, and put them preceeding the words, instead of following them. The resultant number, still 73 digits, is also a multiple of 19:
[size=24][color=blue]102[/color] 2 1 60 2 40 3 [color=blue]66 [/color]1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 [color=blue]329[/color] 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50 13 [color=blue]289[/color] 1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 = 19 x 5379790738 . . .[/size]
[color=red]FACT 14. [/color]For each word of the Basmalah, write down the following: a) [color=violet]Number of letters in the word,[/color] b) [color=blue]The total gematrical value of the word,[/color] c) The gematrical value of each letter in the word. For example, consider the first word of the Basmalah. It has three letters. The total gematrical value of these letters is 102. The individual gematrical values of each letter are 2, 60, and 40 respectively. Therefore, we write 3 102 2 60 40 for the first word, and so on. The entire number is 48 digits long, and is a multiple of 19. It is given below with the numbers for each word underlined.
[size=24][color=violet]3[/color] [color=blue]102[/color] 2 60 40 [color=violet]4[/color] [color=blue]66[/color] 1 30 30 5 [color=violet]6[/color] [color=blue]329[/color] 1 30 200 8 40 50 [color=violet]6[/color] [color=blue]289[/color] 1 30 200 8 10 40 = 19 x 16327686340 . . .[/size]
[color=red]FACT 15.[/color] In Fact 14, the total gematrical values of the words are printed in [color=blue]bold.[/color] Now, we draw your attention to these [color=blue]bold numbers[/color] as we place them as the last item in each underlined word. The resultant number, still 48 digits long, is also a multiple of 19:
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[color=violet]3[/color] 2 60 40 [color=blue]102[/color] [color=violet]4[/color] 1 30 30 5 [color=blue]66[/color] [color=violet]6[/color] 1 30 200 8 40 50 [color=blue]329[/color] [color=violet]6 [/color]1 30 200 8 10 40 [color=blue]289[/color] = 19 x 17160005390 . . .[/size]
[color=red]FACT 16. [/color]Let us represent each one of the four words of the Basmalah by the sequence number of the letters in it. For example, the first word is represented by 123, since it has the first three letters of the Basmalah. The second word is represented by 4567 since it contains the letters 4, 5, 6, and 7. Similarly, the third word is represented by 8910111213, and the fourth word by 141516171819, since they contain the letters 8-13 and 14-19 respectively. If we add these four numbers representing the words of the Basmalah, the result is a 12-digit number which is a multiple of 19:
[size=24]123 + 4567 + 8910111213 + 141516171819= 150426287722 = 19 x 7917173038[/size]
[color=red]FACT 17.[/color] Consider the numbers that represented each word of the Basmalah in Fact 16. Instead of adding these numbers, we write each one down, followed by the [color=blue]sequence number of the word.[/color] For example, the first number, 123, which represents the first word, is followed by 1. The second number, 4567, which represents the second word, is followed by 2, and so on. The result is now a 33-digit number, also a multiple of 19:
[size=24][u]1 2 3 [/u][color=blue]1[/color] [u]4 5 6 7[/u] [color=blue]2[/color] [u]8 9 10 11 12 13[/u] [color=blue]3[/color] [u]14 15 16 17 18 19[/u] [color=blue]4[/color] = 19 x 64813512047900 . . .
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[color=red]FACT 18.[/color] This fact is based on three numbers only. We know that the Basmalah consists of 4 words, 19 letters with a total gematrical value of 786. Now, let us put these numbers together. The result is a 6-digit number, a multiple of 19:
[size=24]4 19 786 = 19 x 22094[/size] Even In reverse it's still a multiple of 19!
[color=red]FACT 19.[/color] The Basmalah is Verse 1 of the Quran. It consists of 19 Arabic letters. These 19 letters constitute the four words with the number of letters in each word being 3, 4, 6, and 6 respectively. Based on this information, let us write down 1 for the verse number, followed by 19 for the number of letters, and followed by 3, 4, 6, and 6 for the letters in each word of the Basmalah. The result is a 7-digit number as follows:
[size=24]1 19 3466 = 19 x 19 x 19 x 174
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As we see, this number is not only once, or twice, but three times a multiple of 19. Is it feasible for such an intricate, interwoven, and absolutely awesome mathematical system to be nothing more than coincidence?
[color=red][size=18]COINCIDENCE OR DIVINE DESIGN?[/size][/color] It is very incredible for the four words and the 19 letters of the Basmalah to result in so many numerical combinations based on the number 19. These combinations do not seem to be haphazard either. They are very consistent. For instance, let us look at the numbers in Facts 2 through 9. As you may have noticed, the numbers in these facts are in the same format:
[size=24]1 ? 2 ? 3 ? 4 ? = n[/size]
You'll be wondering why 19?: Pickthall:
74:30-31 ''[color=red][size=18]Above it are nineteen[/size][/color]. We have appointed only angels to be wardens of the Fire, and [color=red]their number have We made to be a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve;[/color] that those [color=red]to whom the Scripture hath been given may have certainty, and that believers may increase in faith;[/color] and that [color=red]those to whom the Scripture hath been given and believers may not doubt;[/color] and that those in whose hearts there is disease, and disbelievers, may say: What meaneth Allah by this similitude ? Thus Allah sendeth astray whom He will, and whom He will He guideth. None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. [color=red]This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals.''[/color][/b]
Most of that means nothing to me.
What is its significance? Why should I care?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I think what it tries to prove is that the holy Qu'ran is infallible and therefore the true word of Allah (swt). No living man back in those days could have produced a book as intelligently as this. The number 19 in the holy Qu'ran appears quite frequently, weather it is the same name appearing 19 times or multiplying a number by 19 to give the number of times other names appear in the holy Qu'ran (if that makes any sense).
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
[b]Try to compose such a verse?
IANV = International Alphabet Number Value
Letters [color=red]A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z[/color]
IANV Values [color=red]1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[/color]
IANV-gem Values [color=red]1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 [/color]
The four words in English the number of english letters in each word, their gematrical values, and the total.
NO. ENGLISH #LETTERS GEMATRICAL VALUE TOTAL
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2
3
4
TOTAL[/b]
Peace brother- It proves one cannot add or delete one letter thats in the Holy Quran. Add one letter or delete and the whole mathematical system brakes down.
You're gonna get it! (Unless there is another Naz aswell...)
It still doesn't mean anything to me. You should look into how the Qur'an was compiled.
Not saying I disagree with this 19 thing, but well if it is not there, it does not make the Qur'an any less miraculous.
And I still do not understand the numbers, nor what they mean. (and what is the basis for these numbers? especially the letter-number conversion thing... I have used 786 etc, but have no idea what it is really about.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
no its the same old me. I actually found that quite amusing
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
[b]You, said:[/b]
[b]I have looked at how the Holy Quran was compiled. Theres many good reasons why I believe the Quran was compiled divinely. I'll start a new thread especially for that. How does that sound?
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[b]You, said:[/b]
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Here read this about the numerical value:
[color=red]ABJAD AND THE RISE AND DECLINE OF ALPHANUMERIC SYSTEMS[/color]
Summarized from an essay by ;
Frank Lewis
Emory University
The word abjad is an acronym derived from the first four consonantal shapes in the Arabic alphabet -- Alif, Bá, Jim, Dál. As such abjad designates the letters of the Arabic alphabet (also known as alifbá') in the phrase hurúf al-abjad. An adjective formed from this, abjadí, means a novice at something. Nowadays the Arabic alphabet does not follow the sequence a-b-j-d, but rather the order: A-B-T-Th-J-H.-Kh-D (the basic shapes of the letters A-B-J-D without their diacritical dots do, however, occur in that order, insofar as T and Th are distinguished from B only by dots, and the H. and Kh from the J only by dots). However, the order A-B-J-D is quite ancient, insofar as the word abjad is not of Arabic origin, but comes from earlier written alphabets, perhaps from Phoenician though the sequence may be as old as Ugaritic. In any case, it certainly predates the writing down of Arabic, as can be seen by comparison of Hebrew (Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth) and Greek (Alpha Beta Gamma Delta).
The Arabic alphabet and the corresponding numerical values known as abjad are therefore derived from earlier prototypes, as the following comparison shows:
Hebrew: Aleph = 1 Beth = 2 gimel = 3 daleth = 4
Greek : alpha = 1 beta = 2 gamma = 3 delta = 4
Arabic: alif = 1 bá' = 2 jím = 3 dál = 4
The so-called Arabic numerals that we use as ciphers to represent our numbers (1,2,3,4, etc.) were invented in India c. 600 A.D. They were first used in the Middle East by the mathematician al-Khwarazmi (c. 875), along with the zero. Though some Europeans were aware of these "Arabic" computational symbols as early as the 10th century, they did not come into general use until the 13th century in Europe. The point being that up until this time, written texts in Greek, Latin, Hebrew/Aramaic, Arabic/Persian, etc. used letters of the alphabet to represent numbers (the Latin equivalent is Roman numerals).
The Arabic numerals proved far superior for computational purposes to the previous systems (it is not possible to do positional computation with roman numerals, nor did they come with the zero, another gift of India). The older letter/numbers gradually fell out of use, except in certain contexts (specifically the use of Roman numerals and Abjad numerals to mark the page numbers of the introduction of a book and the use of Roman numerals to record the publication date of books until the 19th century and the production date of motion pictures until the 1960s). However, just because the letters were no longer generally used as numbers, this does not mean that the numerical associations died out. Among poets the numbers were used to write chronograms (a word that contains a numerical value; poets frequently tried to find words with a numerical equivalent to the year of someone's death to write an elegy, for example). Theologians and mystics invested the letters and their associated numberical values with mystical significance.
[color=red]ABJAD SYSTEM AND HOW IT WORKS[/color]
There are two principle variations in the Abjad system as to the value of certain letters; the Arabs of North Africa and Spain gave a different alpha-numeric order to some of the letters in the 100s than was common in the Levant and the Islamic east. However, this variation does not affect the values of letters under 100, which have always and everywhere been the same, so far as I know.
The Abjad values and their mnemonic groupings are as follows. Short vowels have no value (except in the beginning of a word, where they are necessarily accompanied by alif/hamza). Note that hamza (') and `ayn (`) are different letters with different values, as are the letters followed by dots (which would be underdots in printed versions of texts rendered in accord with the romanization system used by Shoghi Effendi for Baha'i texts). For the details of why hamza and alif have the same value (i.e., á = ' = 1), see below:
[img]http://www.submission.org/images/G-Value.jpg[/img]
In the maghrib (Spain and North Africa), the following variant values obtained, to wit: s.= 60, d.= 90, s= 300, z.= 800, gh= 900, sh=1000.
N.B.: Certain phonemes which require two letters to represent in the roman alphabet (e.g., Th, Kh, Dh, Gh, Sh) are each rendered by a unique letter in the Arabic alphabet.
Likewise, doubled consonants (hurúf mushaddada) are counted only once. For example, though in transliteration we write Muhammad, in the Arabic script, the doubled consonant "mm" is represented by a diacritical mark (tashdid) over a single "m", which is therefore only written once and only counted once. Hence the numerical values of Muhammad and Nabíl are identical (remember not to count the short vowels, which are any vowels in transliteration which lack the accent mark):
M + h. + mma + d
40 8 40 4 = 92
N + b + i/y + l
50 2 10 30 = 92
The word Rid.wán totals to 1057: R= 200, d.= 800, w= 6, á= 1, n= 50. Mustagháth equals M=40, s=60, t=400, gh=1000, á= 1, th= 500 for a total of 2001.
The value of kull shay' should be 361 (k= 20, l = 30, doubled or mashdudd consonants are not counted twice, sh = 300, y = 10, hamza = 1). Persians sometimes elide the final hamza when writing this word in Persian (sometimes an extra "y" is also incorrectly added), which could lead to the wrong value of 360.
In the maghrib (Spain and North Africa), the following variant values obtained, to wit: s.= 60, d.= 90, s= 300, z.= 800, gh= 900, sh=1000.
N.B.: Certain phonemes which require two letters to represent in the roman alphabet (e.g., Th, Kh, Dh, Gh, Sh) are each rendered by a unique letter in the Arabic alphabet.
Likewise, doubled consonants (hurúf mushaddada) are counted only once. For example, though in transliteration we write Muhammad, in the Arabic script, the doubled consonant "mm" is represented by a diacritical mark (tashdid) over a single "m", which is therefore only written once and only counted once. Hence the numerical values of Muhammad and Nabíl are identical (remember not to count the short vowels, which are any vowels in transliteration which lack the accent mark):
M + h. + mma + d
40 8 40 4 = 92
N + b + i/y + l
50 2 10 30 = 92
The word Rid.wán totals to 1057: R= 200, d.= 800, w= 6, á= 1, n= 50. Mustagháth equals M=40, s=60, t=400, gh=1000, á= 1, th= 500 for a total of 2001.
The value of kull shay' should be 361 (k= 20, l = 30, doubled or mashdudd consonants are not counted twice, sh = 300, y = 10, hamza = 1). Persians sometimes elide the final hamza when writing this word in Persian (sometimes an extra "y" is also incorrectly added), which could lead to the wrong value of 360.[/b]
This probably does mean something to those who have studied these subjects.
For me, apart from the ABJAD bit (which is interesting), the rest is still greek.
Annd for a lot of very large numbers is it not always possible to get a multiple of 19 in some way?
All that seems to be done here is go through them and find those which do have that.
May be a "miracle", but not something that is above anything else in proving the Qur'an.
And that stuff about compilation... you can ignore that. It should not be an issue here. I was over thinking things...
PS the guy who came out with this theory, later formed his own cult. Don't make it incorrect, but it gives room for thought.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
[b]The name ''[color=red]ALLAH[/color]'' in arabic has 4 letters; [color=red]alif=1, laam=30, laam=30, ha=5. Total 1+30+30+5 = 66.[/color] Numerically 66 represents the name ''ALLAH.''
[color=red]BASMALLAH[/color] in arabic has 19 letteres: [color=red]B=2, S=60, M=40, alif=1, laam=30, laam=30, ha=5, alif=1, laam=30, R=200, HH=8, M=40, N=50, alif=1, laam=30, R=200, HH=8, Y=10, M=40. [/color]
Add all those together you'll have = 786. BASMALLAH has 4 words in it & it consists of 19 letters. 4 19 786 This number is a multiple of 19. It is also a multiple of 19 in reverse; 687 91 4. I hope this has helped you appreciate how complex the Holy Quran really is. It is a impossible task to compose such verses. The whole Quran is mathematically structured in this way. If you take one letter out or add one in, it will stick out like a black eye.[/b]
A refutation of this 19 stuff (no idea who the guy is, so he may be wrong...):
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Hikmat10101.htm (EDIT - Just noticed this is run by apostates in order to oppose Islam. so probably best to avoid)
Apparently (I will say some as i do not know of it's validity nor its reach) scholars do not accept Gematrics either.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Thanks for repeating that bit. I can be a little dense...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
You are correct Rashid formed a cult. He did discover the number 19 in the Quran. He also rejected two verses from the Quran which automatically made him into a non-believer. All my material comes from Sunni sources. This BASMALLAH article can be found at answering-christianity.com. I can assure you that this is a verified presentation. The good thing about this article is that one does not need a translator. One can verify it for themselves. My advice would be to keep well away from Rashid's material.
Just noticed that the site I linked to is run by apostates - something to avoid.
According to a quick search, Ahmad Deedat did also use this once as a proof, but then changed his position, challenged Rashid Khalifah to a debate (none took place).
ok, thanks for clearing things up.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Bring one verse, just one similar as the Quran????[/b]
yeah... I was slow in noticing they were run by apostates(google search can do that. make you miss the main page and all that). I changed my post to indicate that.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
:?
ok
B = 2 - affirmative
alif = 1 - affirmative
They're the positions in the Arabic alphabet right..
But..
M=40?
R=200?
S=60?
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
sorry just read the bit about the Gemarital number system
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Let's just assume it is historical precedence from somewhere.
PS Just saw the listen to the qur'an link on your site (recitation via quran.al-islam.com). Bravo.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yeah. maybe similar to Roman numerals:
1 = I
5 = V
10 = X
100 = C
1000 = M
theres loads more which i cant think of
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Its all interesting stuff goodyman.. reminds me of the film the number 23..
I will definitely look into it with an open mind one day inshAllah. Mind you I still need to work out the claims of working out the speed of light from a verse in the Qur'an, the one where cosmic affairs are equal to ten orbits, e.g angels are made from light.. too deep for Friday night..
[size=9]Yeh i had that for time.. it a plugin for mambo by this guy..
http://www.kyantonius.com/weblog/downloads/quran/
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[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
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[b][size=18]Clearly visible is the name ''[color=red]ALLAH[/color]'' and ''[color=red]MUHAMMAD[/color].'' Microsoft Excel Reveals A Miracle of the Quran's Graphical Presentation of the Miracle.[/size][/b]
not at all.. that one is just playing with numbers.. however, it is good knowing how far Angels have to travel.
From this one it is claimed that you can actually deduce the speed of light..
http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
There are also some historical Muslim scholar who believed that aswell. a long with others who thought the earth was flat centuries after Muslims had calculated the curvature of the globe...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.