What is an ibathi, and one who is an ibathi what is their beliefs and does ibathis actually exist or is freaky gremlin getin all weird again and makin things up in the non-existent world of his!?

"angel" wrote:

What is an ibathi,

Yeah, I was going to ask that too...

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"angel" wrote:

What is an ibathi,

Yeah, I was going to ask that too...

I think he just made it up, if not it mite be derived from "ibadah"?

"Mujahid'" wrote:

My brothers,

I heard that Suni has simplified most of complicated rules within!! I don't know how true this is but if so, I want to change from Ibathi to Suni! Is there any rules I should follow to do so?.

Thank you very much.

I wonder why we don't have one rule for all so that Islam stays stronger!! . We have Suni, Ibathi, Shiya, etc.. Almost more than four different types of group and each one of the group does not fully comply with other!. Why this conflict?. Who started such conflict?. I mean we should have all followed our prophit [color=blue]Mohammed[/color] Peace b upon him.

hhmm Interesting...

I wonder if he's refering to Ibadhiyah... its distinct from the Shia and Sunni sects and was the dominant form of Islam in only one Muslim country that i can remember, The Sultanate of Oman (southwestern part of Asia, borders the United Arab Emirates as well as parts of Africa).

Believed to be one of the earliest schools of Islam founded less than 50 years after the death of the prophet (pbuh). They are generally regarded as conservative, but moderate.

I confess i dont know much about their actual beliefs and how they differ. Perhaps Mujhi can fill in the blanks here.

Whats the difference of the aqeeda for a person who goes clubbing and goes to the disco. :roll:

"Islamic Brother" wrote:

Whats the difference of the aqeeda for a person who goes clubbing and goes to the disco. :roll:

Aqeedah is different from actions.

You should never judge others. Its not your job.

"Seraph" wrote:

"Mujahid'" wrote:

My brothers,

I heard that Suni has simplified most of complicated rules within!! I don't know how true this is but if so, I want to change from Ibathi to Suni! Is there any rules I should follow to do so?.

Thank you very much.

I wonder why we don't have one rule for all so that Islam stays stronger!! . We have Suni, Ibathi, Shiya, etc.. Almost more than four different types of group and each one of the group does not fully comply with other!. Why this conflict?. Who started such conflict?. I mean we should have all followed our prophit [color=blue]Mohammed[/color] Peace b upon him.

hhmm Interesting...

I wonder if he's refering to Ibadhiyah... its distinct from the Shia and Sunni sects and was the dominant form of Islam in only one Muslim country that i can remember, The Sultanate of Oman (southwestern part of Asia, borders the United Arab Emirates as well as parts of Africa).

Believed to be one of the earliest schools of Islam founded less than 50 years after the death of the prophet (pbuh). They are generally regarded as conservative, but moderate.

I confess i dont know much about their actual beliefs and how they differ. Perhaps Mujhi can fill in the blanks here.

yeh ur right seraph - "Al-Ibadhiyah" is a sect and its followers are known as Ibadhis. It is the state religion in Oman, which is where Muji is from.

here's some info i found about this sect:

Quote:

The name Ibadhiyah applies to a Muslim group, which was considered by most writers as a moderate branch of the Kharijite movement. [Most of the early Ibadhi authorities and also some of the later 'Omani authors used the term Khawarij for the Ibadhis, but distinguished the extreme Kharijites by the term, Khawarij al-Jawr (Unjust Kharijites).] Al-Ibadhiyah is one of the earliest Islamic sects, the foundation of which goes back to the first half of the first century H. The adherents of this school still form a number of independent communities holding fast to its teachings. The largest of these today is in the Sultanate of Oman in Southeast Arabia, where Ibadhis form the majority and Al-Ibadhiyah is the state religion. There are other minorities in Zanzibar on the east coast of Africa, in Jabal Nafusah and Zuwarah in Libya, on Jerba Island in Tunisia, and in Wad Mzab in Algeria.

The Ibadhis considered their movement a continuation of the opposition which overthrew 'Uthman bin Affan, the third Caliph and caused his death. They regarded that opposition as being a purely Islamic rejection of the innovations which they claimed were introduced by 'Uthman and his court. The Ibadhis approved of the Caliphate of 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. They also approved of 'Ali in his wars against Mu'awiyah and regarded Mu'awiyah's party as the rebellious party which should be fought until they accepted the commands of God. But the Ibadhis disapproved of 'Ali's acceptance of arbitration, and they renounced 'Ali for killing the people of Al-Nahr and argued that he had no right whatsoever to fight them...

[url=http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/ibadhiyah/history.html]History of Al-Ibadhiyah[/url]

they sound rather similar to shi'as when it comes to Ali(r.a).... but then again, it says further in the link that they broke off from the 'extreme Kharijites' and so are relatively moderate... to be honest i dont see the difference between ibadhis and shi'as since both originated from the Kharijite movement. maybe their fiqh is different? :?

"Mujahid'" wrote:

I heard that Suni has simplified most of complicated rules within!! I don't know how true this is but if so, I want to change from Ibathi to Suni! Is there any rules I should follow to do so?.

As long as ur Shahadah is "La ilaha illAllah, Muhammad Rasoolullah" ur already in the fold of Islam so u dont have to follow any "rules" as such to become Sunni. find some good books to read, or preferably a good Sunni scholar to learn from. but i dont think this would be very easy in Oman since Al-Ibadhiyah is the state religion and Sunnis are a minority. so maybe u could travel to a "Sunni Muslim country", such as Saudi Arabia or Syria, they have excellent facilities there to teach Sunni fiqh.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

maybe u could travel to a "Sunni Muslim country", such as Saudi Arabia or Syria, they have excellent facilities there to teach Sunni fiqh.

isnt Saudi Arabia mainly Wahhabi?

"Admin" wrote:

"Islamic Brother" wrote:

Whats the difference of the aqeeda for a person who goes clubbing and goes to the disco. :roll:

Aqeedah is different from actions.

You should never judge others. Its not your job.

I'm not judging and I'm just pointing out whats the point of having an aqeedah when a person does all these sins. Its pointless unless you follow it.

"Islamic Brother" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

"Islamic Brother" wrote:

Whats the difference of the aqeeda for a person who goes clubbing and goes to the disco. :roll:

Aqeedah is different from actions.

You should never judge others. Its not your job.

I'm not judging and I'm just pointing out whats the point of having an aqeedah when a person does all these sins. Its pointless unless you follow it.

How do you know he is not following his aqeedah? Aqeedah is not actions, but beliefs.

You can still believe in the truth whilst carrying out sins.

If you sin, you are a sinner. If you disbelieve you are a kaafir. Big difference.

Read up about it, as I do not like defending others, which you are forcing me to do here.

"muslim_kuri" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

maybe u could travel to a "Sunni Muslim country", such as Saudi Arabia or Syria, they have excellent facilities there to teach Sunni fiqh.

isnt Saudi Arabia mainly Wahhabi?

being wahhabi doesnt mean u cant be sunni - just like u can be sunni and deobandi for example. wahabbism and deobandism (dunno if thats the right word, but hey) are both sects within sects within sects, if that makes any sense... (its really not as complicated as it sounds)

"Aasiyah" wrote:

being wahhabi doesnt mean u cant be sunni

how can you be a wahhabi AND a sunni?

"muslim_kuri" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

being wahhabi doesnt mean u cant be sunni

how can you be a wahhabi AND a sunni?

Read the rest of Aasiyah's reply.

'I'm alcoholic but I look younger than many people of my age and even some who are younger, so being alcoholic does not make you look older at all, on the contrary some people I know think because I am alcoholic, I have less worries and tension and this is why I steel look younger than them..'

Mujahid Wrote that.

All muslims just need to belive in one god and his messenger and follow the rules first before thinking about aqeedah. Theres no point of having an aqeedah if you drink because that is against all aqeedahs because all muslims beleive that its haram becuase its in the Qur'an.

"Mujahid'" wrote:

IB you so right man..that s why i wana change to suni ..i heared that in sunni you can still go to heaven ieven if you drink or kill as long as you are mulsim..you might go to hell first for a vist , but at the end you are permenant at heaven...how true is that..i been raised as ibathi so i can only go to one there is nothing called fire for a bit & heaven forever..you see my point now

The insanity continues...

Mujh whoever told you that is clearly having you on.

Its either hell or heaven for all eternity.

And even Sunni's believe if we drink, kill etc you're going to hell.

"Seraph" wrote:

"Mujahid'" wrote:

IB you so right man..that s why i wana change to suni ..i heared that in sunni you can still go to heaven ieven if you drink or kill as long as you are mulsim..you might go to hell first for a vist , but at the end you are permenant at heaven...how true is that..i been raised as ibathi so i can only go to one there is nothing called fire for a bit & heaven forever..you see my point now

The insanity continues...

Mujh whoever told you that is clearly having you on.

Its either hell or heaven for all eternity.

And even Sunni's believe if we drink, kill etc you're going to hell.

err no seraph - muslims, who believe in Allah and His messenger, will spend time in hell according to the sins they comitted in this life, but they will eventually enter heaven - having had their punishment meted out to them. as latifah was saying in the sins thread, sinners only think of Allahs mercy, and their short-term pleasure. its a pity we never dwell on the severity of the punishment in Hell, or the fact that one year in hell is equivalent to 80 years on Earth.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

"Seraph" wrote:

"Mujahid'" wrote:

IB you so right man..that s why i wana change to suni ..i heared that in sunni you can still go to heaven ieven if you drink or kill as long as you are mulsim..you might go to hell first for a vist , but at the end you are permenant at heaven...how true is that..i been raised as ibathi so i can only go to one there is nothing called fire for a bit & heaven forever..you see my point now

The insanity continues...

Mujh whoever told you that is clearly having you on.

Its either hell or heaven for all eternity.

And even Sunni's believe if we drink, kill etc you're going to hell.

err no seraph - muslims, who believe in Allah and His messenger, will spend time in hell according to the sins they comitted in this life, but they will eventually enter heaven - having had their punishment meted out to them. as latifah was saying in the sins thread, sinners only think of Allahs mercy, and their short-term pleasure. its a pity we never dwell on the severity of the punishment in Hell, or the fact that one year in hell is equivalent to 80 years on Earth.

What? Really?

Did not know that.

Well i know now.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

... or the fact that one year in hell is equivalent to 80 years on Earth...

Thats a figure of speech. it will be long, but we do not know how long. (maybe a year :P)

"Admin" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

... or the fact that one year in hell is equivalent to 80 years on Earth...

Thats a figure of speech. it will be long, but we do not know how long. (maybe a year :P)

i think what i said up there is from a hadith, but because i did not have the reference, obviously i couldnt quote it as a hadith.

anyway yeh i think it means that time will stretch (just the way on Earth, when we're having a bad time at school/work, the day seems to be that much longer) and tho a person may only spend 1 year in Hell, it would feel like they have spent a lifetime.

"Admin" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

... or the fact that one year in hell is equivalent to 80 years on Earth...

Thats a figure of speech. it will be long, but we do not know how long. (maybe a year :P)

Lets hope we dont even have to go there!! but the pain that one will suffer will be unbearable that it will seem like forever

Has anyone read up on the punishment in the grave/hell?

"Mujahid'" wrote:

Aasiyah..you haven't answe my question ...

sorry i missed that Q of yours as it was the last post on previous page... but u wer asking once again what are the 'rules' for becoming sunni and i think i already answered this question in the following post:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

"Mujahid'" wrote:

I heard that Suni has simplified most of complicated rules within!! I don't know how true this is but if so, I want to change from Ibathi to Suni! Is there any rules I should follow to do so?.

As long as ur Shahadah is "La ilaha illAllah, Muhammad Rasoolullah" ur already in the fold of Islam so u dont have to follow any "rules" as such to become Sunni. find some good books to read, or preferably a good Sunni scholar to learn from. but i dont think this would be very easy in Oman since Al-Ibadhiyah is the state religion and Sunnis are a minority. so maybe u could travel to a "Sunni Muslim country", such as Saudi Arabia or Syria, they have excellent facilities there to teach Sunni fiqh.

i suspect the differences between sunni and ibathi fiqh are many, so i think it would be best for u to affiliate yourself to a good sunni scholar and learn from him.

"angel" wrote:

Has anyone read up on the punishment in the grave/hell?

i have... are u asking for a description? its too painful to think about, let alone describe in writing.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

"angel" wrote:

Has anyone read up on the punishment in the grave/hell?

i have... are u asking for a description? its too painful to think about, let alone describe in writing.

ok i think we will just leave it at that then..

"Aasiyah" wrote:

i suspect the differences between sunni and ibathi fiqh are many, so i think it would be best for u to affiliate yourself to a good sunni scholar and learn from him.

Yes i agree with that too...following a good sunni scholar and learning from him is the best way of learning about Islam and about Ahle Sunnat wal Jammat

As i personally no myself, i was born a sunni but didn't know much bout Islam and my duty as a sunni muslim but Alhamdullilah my scholar showed me all aspects and duties bringing me closer to the holy prophet and Allah (swt).