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"A new type of genetically-modified crop containing human genes is reportedly set to get the go-ahead for commercial production.
A type of rice has been developed which produces human proteins similar to those found in breast milk and saliva, say reports.
According to the Daily Mail, US firm Ventria Bioscience claims it could be used to treat children with diarrhoea, which remains a major killer in Third World countries.
The rice, branded a "Frankenstein food" by its critics, represents the first time genes of human origin have been blended with those from plants."
(sky News)
FREAKY!!! :shock:
Human genes in your food - right or wrong?
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I have added to the title, to ive it a larger scope.
UK Supermarkets have a policy of no GM modified foods.
I think GM modified Soya products do get through though.
Even if the food is safe for consumption, I am still against GM modification.
It gives control over foodsupplies to Big corporations.
Natural crops produce seeds which can be use for implantation, but not GM crops.
if you use them once, you are forever at the mercy of multinational corporations unless you have natural seed astored somewhere, or you can buy it.
But then there is still the possibility of cross contamination, where the natural stuff is contaminated by GM sources.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I'm not definitively for or against, but here is some food for thought (sorry).
1. We never know, when manufacturers emphasise health benefits for the third world, if that is just a dirty sales pitch. The main consumers will be in the west.
2. Studies are not clear that there are no health risks. Certainly in some studies with some crops, there have been a high level of animal deaths and horrible illnesses, in some cases from approved products that were subsequently withdrawn. Whether the studies represent a significant finding I don't know, but as a result critics suggest we don't have enough understanding of the risks to humans and future generations. Again, some studies have suggested risk to humans including transgenesis, absorption of the modified genes into the host body.
3. The ethics of blending human and food genes is murky and highly distasteful, but possibly not a big deal. They are just first generation genes. The safety of it is of greater concern.
4. GM is now widespread and most approved products would seem to be safe.
5. There are some economic arguments for GM and health arguments for and against.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
This definitely violates my OCD rules about food... do you know if they will mark which brands will do this?
And speaking of being OCD about rules for food Muslims and Jews have some of the most OCD food regulations on the planet (thus the reason I actually prefer items marked Halal or Kosher). This has GOT to be violating some kind of divine ordinance, yea?
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In Jewish law, for medical reasons such as to treat a genetic disease, GM and cloned foods are permitted if they offer the best treatment (and especially if they are in tablet form). However that is for health, and when it comes to health kashrut hardly applies.
Otherwise it is [url=http://www.i-sis.org.uk/CAGMMAD.php]dodgy[/url] territory, and opinions will vary.
Traditional injunctions against cross-breeding do not necessarily suffice to cover the subject, so as you might expect it throws into disarray the laws of kashrut, previously codified to account for stuff like transplanted eggs, such as a kosher egg incubated in a non-kosher womb (probably but not always kosher), but not all of the complexities of GM. To date, being vegetarian, I have been able to stay out of this. I'm not sure about rice-people crossbreeds. I am pretty sure the first generation of rice could not possibly be sanctioned, but there might be a thing about after three generations or even the second generation crops. There is a famous commentary that if somehow a kosher egg could develop non-kosher offspring (which the rabbis had held would in principle be kosher, because the kosherness of the mother counts), it should be forbidden simply to avoid confusion. I'm not sure about the reverse (ie non-kosher to kosher). I have read a principle against all GM meat, and also a ruling in favour of GM fruit based solely on whether GM will be beneficial. Most sources find GM research outside of the food industry less of a problem than GM consumption.
Some authorities (like the Orthodox Union in America) have argued if it looks and smells a tomato (for instance) it's kosher. On the same long-standing principle if you get rice that looks like a person it is forbidden (again primarily to avoid confusion). This vague summary would not suffice to cover a vegetable that yielded animal flesh, say. Other rabbis have said they now only eat organic for fear of inadvertently consuming non-kosher DNA. My problem with this is it won't work a few years from now when organic-ness will be hard to verify.
As for my vegetarian principles, I believe that if it is safe, after a few generations it is acceptable to eat since an animal will not directly have been harmed. Still on principle perhaps one should wait until a product has been on the market for forty odd years so as to deny profit to the progenitors. On that basis my children's children can eat a tomato that tastes like a cow, or rice that tastes like human toenail clippings, if they really want.
Bottom line, no consensus, much debate. On one side of the argument there are laws for preserving the integrity of species (l'minayhu) and against spoiling creation, several laws against regular cross-breeding (shatnes, kilayim), laws of kashrut and laws against benefiting from and abetting sin. On the other side there are laws for saving lives (pikuach nefesh), laws for improving the world (tikkun olam) and laws not to extrapolate impractical rulings from the Torah.
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[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
I know Muslims are permitted to eat non-halal food in an emergency, even pork etc. But are we allowed to eat other humans in such circumstances e.g. the film 'Alive' ?
Don't just do something! Stand there.
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I didn't know that. Are you sure?
I'd rather go hungry than eat pork...and under no circumstance would I eat humans!!! Goodness me.
And Mr Honey's Day Out - I [i]used[/i] to quite like kiwi's!! :evil:
You're just saying that, you never know what you might do unless you're in that situation.
Reminds me of a case we studied at uni. Basically there was a ship wreck and I think there were 4 guys, anyway they were stranded on this island and they ran out of food and obviously were very hungry. So the solution to this problem.....kill the cabin boy (as he was small and weak) and eat him. They were later rescued and then convicted of killing the boy. If he had died and then they ate him, that would have been different.
EUGH, that is sick.....eating humans omg.....yuk yuk!
who brought that subject up :shock:
True, but it's something that has been instilled in me since forever, so I don't think I could, or at least I would be violently sick.
But I find it hard to believe that we are allowed to eat it anyway.
Could you?
imaani in life and death situation all haraam stuff incl wine and pork becomes halaal
yeh its disgusting
but god forbid i was in a situation
i wouldnt choose death over eating pork
if you go starving for 3 days i think then and only then if you see a pig will it become a compulsory upon you to kill that pig and eat it in order to survive but no other circumstances that i know of
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
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Oh my gosh. I so did not know that. :shock:
thats why you need wise people like me how old are you omd im like the youngest and keep up with you guys or maybe ahead?? but i do add an interesting touch to this forum you gotta admit
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
I've been known to go hungry and make a ridiculous amount of effort to find reliable vegetarian food.
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[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
are muslims allowed to become vegetarians?
A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil
Hey?
Hhmmm...hadn't really thought about that?!
Can anyone answer that?
[color=indigo][b]Well it's not the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet PBUH so why would anyone want to not follow the Sunnah :?
Allah swt has made animals for us humans to eat from, so we should see meat as a blessing. This doesn't mean we should eat it everyday but we should follow the Sunnah and eat it once a month.[/b][/color]
Depends on the reasons.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Coz I don't particularly like the thought of eating flesh and blood etc, etc. It puts me off, is that a valid reason?
[b][color=indigo]So you don't eat meat?[/color][/b]
The reasons for which you aer NOT allowed to give up meat is if another religions says you can't.
I believe in the time of the sahabah's, another religion banned camel meat. Some converts tried to refrain and were stopped from refraining from eating it due to that reason.
Another reason would be if you believe animals are 'our brothers' etc, as the qur'an does state they are allowed for food.
If you just avoid it because you feel icky, that is a different thing. you will probably get over it, but no one should be forcing you to eat meat.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
[url=http://www.islamveg.com/]Islamic Concern[/url]
[url=http://www.ivu.org/news/1-96/muslim.html]IVU: Islam and Vegetarianism[/url]
[url=http://members.aol.com/yahyam/muslim_vegetarian.html]Muslims Can Be Vegetarian If They Want To[/url]
It is disputed, but there have been many Muslim vegetarians especially among Sufis.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
Hardly ever. If it wasn't for seekh kebabs it would be never.
btw The new Trident chewing gum (by Cadbury) is everywhere and I wanted to try it, but stupidly only once I had started chewing did I check the ingredients, which say "gelatine (bovine)", and I had to get rid of it ASAP. Trident Soft is fine, and highly rechewable (I know that is disgusting but I read basically a PR piece in the business pages about how hard they had researched it, so I tried that).
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
Thank you Admin and Mr Honey's Day Out.
I hadn't even thought it was an issue as such. No, it's not coz I'm into the whole animal rights thing, just thinking I'm eating a chicken/lamb puts me off, that's all.
Glad to be of service.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
Yeah, but you've put me off kiwi's.
in like y8 i decided to stop eating meat i though poor animal i not eating it .It got killed for us to eat.
but then i realised that eating meat is part of our religion and we do have to eat meat at some part of our life .
i'm a bit funny aswell , i saw my mum washing some chicken it still had blood on it . That reli did put me off meat for a very very long time. i hardly eat meat at home, but u put me in a resturant i eat anything off teh menu.
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Nice pictures of Kiwis:
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Aww!
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[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
I don't think think those kiwi's wanna get ate.
You shoot 'em if they take 'em.
Well, not first!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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