A nun was convicted of religious harassment after ranting against 'terrorist' Muslims in the middle of London's busy Oxford Street.
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Sister Ruth Augustus, 66, was fined £200 after she shouted at two women in full robes and veils "you're probably terrorists, get back to your own country".
Later she told cops who arrested her they should go back to Iraq and have their heads chopped off.
City of Westminster Magistrates Court heard how trouble flared when Augustus, a missionary who has worked with prostitutes in the developing world, was handing out prayer leaflets outside Debenhams department store on Easter Tuesday.
When people of Muslim appearance passed she called out "Jesus loves Muslims," but two ladies in traditional dress took offence.
Fellow leafleter, Tony Rollins, told the court: "The ladies answered back and told her shut her stupid mouth.
"Sister Ruth said to them 'you're probably terrorists, get back to your own country'. They gave her a long, hard stare before walking away.
"I was cringing at what she said. It made me feel very uneasy."
WPC Natasha Walker said she heard a 'commotion' outside the shop and went to investigate.
The officer said: "I heard someone shouting 'terrorists, terrorists' more than once. It's busy on Oxford Street, so she must have been shouting really loud.
"I turned round and noticed there were a group of people standing outside Debenhams. Sister Augustus was shouting 'terrorists' repeatedly and other things about Muslims.
"I asked her to stop, but she refused. She said 'I will not stop, I'm a nun'.
"Because she refused to stop I arrested her. She said 'You're not arresting me, I'm a nun. It's a waste of tax payers' money. You're arresting me because you're a Muslim.'"
WPC Walker called for for colleagues to help bundle the 'agitated and aggressive' into the back of the police van.
WPC Keeley Pemberton said when she arrived she heard Augustus shouting at PC Walker "Take your dirty hands off me, you're a Muslim."
After a night in police cells Augustus was bailed to return to Marylebone Police Station in June, but when her solicitor didn't show, she launched into another tirade, it was said.
She called the two officers morons, referred to one as 'WPC Muslim Walker', and shouted in the public waiting area "This is a Muslim country full of terrorists," the court heard.
WPC Pemberton said Augustus became increasingly 'agitated and abusive'.
She said: "I asked her to be quiet and she shouted 'Go back to Iraq' and was pointing at WPC Walker. She said it very aggressively.
"Then she looked at me and said 'You should go with her and both of you will get your heads chopped off'."
WPC Walker said: "She said to me 'you should go back to Iraq where you belong, where all the terrorists are. You are likely to be beheaded. You deserve it'."
When she was arrested again she ranted at officers "You're all morons, especially that Muslim - she's a chimpanzee and she needs to go back to the zoo with the other chimpanzees," WPC Pemberton said.
Augustus, who represented herself after sacking her lawyer early in the proceedings, was frequently told to be quiet as she heckled the witnesses.
While giving evidence, she insisted on wearing a large placard with a picture of Jesus on it round her neck.
She claimed she had in fact suggested to the officers that they should stop wasting time on her and instead go out and catch paedophiles and rapists, or go out to Iraq to help our troops fight terrorists.
Augustus accused police of "religious bigotry and hatred" and claimed she was handled roughly, locked in a cell when she was ill, and strip-searched in the street.
She said: "I was responding to extreme provocation. The police were abusing me and were acting in a most satanic, brutal and unprofessional manner. I felt entitled to call them chimpanzees because that is how they were behaving."
The reference to beheading she said was in reference to the catholic missionary Margaret Hassan, who was kidnapped and murdered by insurgents.
Augustus, of Kensington, was found guilty of two charges of religiously aggravated harassment.
District Judge Emma Arbuthnot told her: "I have no doubt at all that Sister Augustus's behaviour amounted to religiously aggravated harassment.
"This was extremely upsetting and rude behaviour which harassed and alarmed not just the officers but others who were around at the time.
"It is clear from her behaviour today that she was an extremely difficult defendant to deal with. The officers I'm sure dealt with her as best they could and cannot be criticised."
She was fined a total of £200 plus £40 court costs. The judge told the pensioner: "By rights you should pay compensation but I'm not going to make you as you are not in a position to pay any more."
Augustus replied: "It's a disgrace. If this is British justice, I'm going back to Africa. They are more civilised there." She vowed to appeal against her conviction in the highest court
Comment:
Christianity is portrayed in the media as a peace loving religion while Islam is shown as a violent and bloodthirsty religion. Muslims are violent and Christians are polite and calm.
The reality is different. The Crusades were launched by the clergy and Kings and resulted in killing of civilians, rape and plunder. Many extreme organisations like the Ku Klux Klan claim justifications based upon the bible. Christianity has a very clourful past indeed.
Do we get to read , hear and see all this in the media? Of course we dont, because Islam and Muslims take up all the front page and headlines.
Quite funny how this nun thinks, totally the opposite to Jesus ( Isa ) peace be upon him, instead of attacking and arguing with Secularists who allow Jusus to be insulted and abused in the name of fredom of expression,she picks a fight with Muslims who have nothing but love and respect for Isa peace be upon him and his family.
this stupid nun has obviously been watching too much TV / reading too many papers / going on too many anti-islamic sites.
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The rest of the rant is not allowed. rules rules rules.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
no point ranting about it.
plenty of 'clerics' are in prison for inciting hatred.
She has a right to her views, no matter how much you hate them.
The problem is airing them to incite hatred in others.
and CAN WE NOT MOCK OTHER RELIGIONS AND BOOKS?
READ THE EFFING RULES. IT IS NOT ALLOWED. IT CAN LEAD TO BEING BANNED.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
how was i mocking?
i don't give a damn about what the effing bible says, i was just pointing out what was written in it.
i did not mean to sound like i was ranting, i was just pointing out the double standereds.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
hey its my hobby
like who?
of course
I never thought about that :?
of course we can!
(unless you typed the words in the wrong order and it was supposed to say 'WE CANNOT' as opposed to 'CAN WE NOT'
:twisted: the latter implies i have been give a choice)
bovvered :roll:
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
I agree wuith the rest, but:
No we cannot.
1. My forums My rules. :twisted:
2. I am sure it is an Islamic principle derrived from the aspect that we are not allowed to mock the gods of other religions as in return they will mock Islam... I think it is derrived from a verse of the qur'an, but since I cannot find it via google atm, I would just advise caution.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
JESUS !!
i was [i]not mocking[/i]
i merely pointed out some of the inhumane teachings of the bible, it would not bother me if someone did that about the Quran,
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
ok, ok.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
[b][color=indigo]Why do you say Jesus?[/color][/b]
coz she was vexxed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i usually say it when i am peeved
i get peeved very easily :twisted:
i know its blasphemous / offensive for some people but my class mates used to say it all the bloody time, i kinda picked it up from them (after hearing it said in that context a bajillion times) so now its more like an automatic reaction :?
in the context i used it in my last post i was just being ironic :twisted:
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
[b][color=indigo]Duh i no that :roll:
But why do people say the name of Hazrat Isa Alayhisalaam when they're angry??
What's the name "Jesus" got to do with anything and esp when Muslims say it when they're really mad.[/color][/b]
i just told you why
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
[b][color=indigo]If you don't mind me asking, are you a Muslim?[/color][/b]
yes
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
[color=indigo][b]So you said it's blasphemous/offensive for some people, so does that mean you don't find saying the name Jesus blasphemous/offensive yourself?
As we are Muslims we are taught to show extreme reverence to all the Prophets PBUThem, so when were referring to a Prophet we must say their name with extreme respect. As you a Muslim, im sure you won't ever shout out Muhammad! or Musa! or Noah! So why Jesus?
You say your classmates say it all the time and therefore you pick up on it really quick, but is that the excuse you will use when Allah swt asks you about all the times when you used Hazrat Isa Alayhisalaams name outoff respect?
I have many non-muslim friends who use that phrase all the time, but no matter how many times they say "Jesus", how can any Muslim show that much disrespect to a Nabi of Allah regardless of all the influences.[/b][/color]
the thing is that me and my family have always find it odd to call Isa :arrow: Jesus. Same applies to the other prophets, we dont call Ibrahim :arrow: Abraham or Avraham or call Musa :arrow: moses or moshe. We've always pronounced them with their correct Arabic pronunication, and not the way the Christains and the Jews have. For some reason I never felt bad about saying "jesus" when i was annoyed. I know that's no excuse since it *is* the same person.
actually i have heard a muslim say "muhammad" in such circumstances, I can't understand why though, seemed odd.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
What was the problem. It could have been averted here, why did the Muslims take offence to this.
Secondly Mystic:
Actually some of the name of The Ambiyaa AS are not native to arabic and so the term '[b]correct[/b] arabic pronunciation' doesn't really apply.
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
sorry, bad choice of word,
i should have said pronounced in 'quranic arabic'
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
Exacly, some people just get offended way too easily :roll: .....it could have been avoided and nothing would have happend but you can obviously tell the nun is no angel, she obviously has hatred for muslims she just needed something to spark it
it is an odd thing to say though, aint Jesus supposed to love everybody? not just muslims
they were prolly offended coz they knew what she was gonna say next, some people just don't take chritian missionries too well, when some christian preachers knocked at our door my parents were disgusted / annoyed / shocked , funny thing is my mum tells me that dawah is compulsery and we should not shy away from it.
I remember when i was about 8 and we had two women from the local church that wanted to teach me and my sis about Jesus. I was disgusted with the fact that they didn't knock on the front door, they just opened the gate and and came into the kitchen, there was no need for that, it would have been easier to knock on the front door, i was alone in the kitchen, i can't help thinking they wanted to teach me about jesus without my parents knowing :?
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
:roll: I've met a lot of nuns in my life and only 4 I can say were actually nice - the others scared the freaking life out of me, and thats when I was a protestant. I still remember that crazy geography teacher Annette had way back in the day that actually told me I would have to wait outside her parish because I was an, get this, "infidel."
I noticed their relative degree of meanness is in proportion to the connotation of their name. For example, the Sisters of the Solemn Tears of our Lady are probably going to be bad - but the Sisters of Mercy are going to be 300 times worse.
It's all in the name you see.
[b][color=indigo]The nuns live like 2 doors away from my house and they are probally the nicest people i've ever come across.[/color][/b]
Are you sure they aren't fake nuns? I'm pretty sure being nice is against their monastic vows... along with driving over 30mph on the freeway and avoiding the urge to poke young people.
[b][color=indigo]How can you tell if a nun is fake or not? We've known them for like 10 years. Theres 5 off them living in 1 house and there always going to the church every morning which is only just down the road![/color][/b]
Ask them for their Nun-ID cards. There are alot of fake nuns running around defrauding people, it's a real problem.
[b][color=indigo]Now you’re just talking the biscuit! I’m certain that they are legitimate nuns. [/color][/b]
oh no I'm quite serious, ask for their Nun cards! - Or if they do not have that ask them to perform the secret Nun handshake.
It's all very hush hush, the Vatican is trying to keep this under wraps so that there isn't a big blow up about imposter-nuns.
[b][color=indigo]Looooooooooool you crack me up!
On a serious note, why don't you like the nuns???[/color][/b]
Very well, enough of this nunsense.
I just dont, first off they are usually old - and old people freak me out. Second they rarely have anything nice to say to me, which does not endear them to me and thirdly i don't them - something sneaky about running away from the world and locking yourself up in a cloister don't you think?
[b][color=indigo]Yeah all the nuns who live there are old but not that old, heeey theres nothing wrong with being old! Your going to be old one day Mr!
Anywaay, well maybe dave, it's just you! Nuns are not sneaaaky and freeeky! There harmless, fragile things!
The Nuns give us Xmaz prezzies every year
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