I believe it really depends on the person. If you and your son are happy in not celebrating it than thats entirely up to you as theres no compulsion in celebrating birthdays.

IMO a muslim is weaned on morality but not blind imitation. Although i believe birthdays to be a custom of the west Islam has nothing against it as its simply a celebration of a person's date of birth. Islam supports the celebration of a birthday [b]if[/b] it is an expression of gratitude to Allah for his blessings in a man’s life, as long as that celebration does not include anything that may displease the Almighty.

So aslong as your means of celebrating are lawful and not OTT plus you're grateful to Allah (swt). Theres nothing wrong with it.

Salam

"saima786" wrote:

should we celabrate birthdays?

we're doing islamic songs, musical chairs with islamic nasheed! do let me know your ideas!!

Go for it saima.

Let yourself go.

Bring the house down girl.

Ofcourse, the best birthday to celebrate is the Holy Birthday of Prophet Mohammed.

All those who sincerely celebrate it will go to Heaven.

Omrow

It depends on what you mean by celebrate. and how you do it.

As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'. If you do celebrate the prophets (saw), then there is an option that celebrating your own is acceptable.

So before you make up your mind, you must make sure what your position on that is.

And it does say in the qur'an to proclaim the favours of your lord, and rejoice.

So it all depends on what you mean, and what you do.

[b][color=indigo]Well my birthday was like 2 days ago i think and the way i celebrated it was by doing a simple duA and some extra nawaafil prayers thanking Allah for giving me life etc etc.

Aslong as you don't got OTT and do everything in a Halal manner then nowts wrong with that.
But if you don't want to celebrate your sons birthday, then thats fine to.[/color][/b]

"Admin" wrote:

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As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'. If you do celebrate the prophets (saw), then there is an option that celebrating your own is acceptable.

dare i ask for evidence?

theres a name for those who innovate into the deen.

"saima786" wrote:

ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED TO CUT A CAKE? :?

Unless you can munch it in one go, I would assume this is the better way...

Wether you are allowed to celebrate or not, it depends on how YOU see it.

If you see it as something to rejoice about, be thankful about your blessings then by all means.

As long as the celebration does not involve anything unislamic, then it's all good.

As long as the food is halaal, the entertainment is halaal etc, then it is all halaal.

But clowns can be scary!

To be honest it depends on the 'kiddie songs'. These days kids are forced to grow up too early. Not many real 'kiddy songs' out there.

(again there are groups who says music is not allowed, so you just have to go by your own judgement again)

And there are a few muslim goups that do catchy Muslim kiddy songs. (' Children of the world' as a tune comes to mind which I head years ago...)

As long as something is halaal, you can do it. There are real no restrictions that you can only do it at this type of event, and not that type.

celebrate

give the kid a party to remember

t;is allowed if everything you do is within the parameters of islam

islam doesnt ban fun, it jus requires it to remain halaal, and intentions clean

and yeah, as long as you dont go OTT, and you praise Allah. Dua's on birthdays are always a good idea

how are you allowed to celebrate eid and not a birthday, of celebration of anything isnt allowed, and ur supposed to live dull gloomy lives?

i don't celebrate b'days for various reasons. When i wasn't practising i did, but there came a point where it lost it's sense of fun, it seemed just like a commercial thing, not really heartfelt. There was just too much stress on "buying a bigger more expensive gift" each year. The sense of gratitude to God was non existant, it was all self indulgence, don't we get enough of that all year round?

Like some of you already said if it's about counting your blessings and showing gratitude to God for the many bounties he's given us, and maybe giving out a bit of food in the mosque making supplications then that's fine i'd agree with that. But as far as celebrating it in the conventional way i personally don't agree with it.

I'm not saying i would say no to everything my child wanted if it was their b'day i'd simply do things in a unique way cake with candles wouldn't be there for starters. I'd let the child pick some sort of finger food that we could distribute in the mosque. If they're involved in this from an early age they'd never feel like they missed out on the cake and candles.

p.s admin you can't do "musical chairs" without music..i remember that one as a kid Most muslim kids go to state schools they hear music from preschool so isn't it confusing to the child to say yes you may do music in school, but no you may not do it at home? I've got a question about music to do with kids i.e nursery rhymes, using music to teach kids alphabet, numbers etc. Is this allowed? There are muslim versions to teach arabic. I thght it was allowed,coz rhyme is a very good memory technique.

Hey did you know the crown like paper hats that you get in b'day crackers hark back to the origins of b'days. In yesteryears only the nobility i/e rich monarchs, earls, dukes and dutchess' celebrated b'days on a massive scale. The crown paper hats are a reminder of this. Interesting huh?..least i thght so.

Interesting.

regarding rhymes etc, they are allowed. Can't see them not being allowed.

I just put that music bit in brackets because I did not want to seem like putting forward a single view only, so it was just a message of 'consult your scholars'. I personally do not see anything wrong with it.

Worse comes to worst, you could use a tambourine, which everyone (I think) agrees is allowed.

"Admin" wrote:

As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'.

admin where did you get that from? i've never heard that before... :?

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'.

admin where did you get that from? i've never heard that before... :?

I heard it years ago. considering it is being questioned almost universally, I may be wrong.

The argument used was that we are supposed to love the Prophet more than anything. So if we do not celebrate his birthday, we cannot celebrate our own.

and I have heard a similar argument by a salafi imam (incidentally handing out The old Revival newsletter after Jumah years ago... :P), who used that very argument to say we cannot celebrate our birthdays because if we were allowed to, we would be celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s birthday first and foremost.

Since I heard the same argument from competing sides (one saying it is allowed, the other saying ti is not), I thought it was correct.

[b][color=indigo]I agree, well it makes sense anyway.[/color][/b]

"Admin" wrote:

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'.

admin where did you get that from? i've never heard that before... :?

I heard it years ago. considering it is being questioned almost universally, I may be wrong.

The argument used was that we are supposed to love the Prophet more than anything. So if we do not celebrate his birthday, we cannot celebrate our own.

and I have heard a similar argument by a salafi imam (incidentally handing out The old Revival newsletter after Jumah years ago... :P), who used that very argument to say we cannot celebrate our birthdays because if we were allowed to, we would be celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s birthday first and foremost.

Since I heard the same argument from competing sides (one saying it is allowed, the other saying ti is not), I thought it was correct.

our love for the prophet (s.a.w) is best shown by practising his sunnah. if he did not choose to celebrate his own birthday, and the sahaba did not celebrate it after he passed away, why should we? ofcourse that is a whole other discussion which i do not intend to start, the comment you made was just something i'd never heard before and i personally believe the best way to nurture love for the Prophet (s.a.w) is by striving to emulate him in everything, inshaAllah.

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

"*DUST*" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

As a point of fiqh, if you do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (saw), you are not allowed to celebrate your own or others'.

admin where did you get that from? i've never heard that before... :?

I heard it years ago. considering it is being questioned almost universally, I may be wrong.

The argument used was that we are supposed to love the Prophet more than anything. So if we do not celebrate his birthday, we cannot celebrate our own.

and I have heard a similar argument by a salafi imam (incidentally handing out The old Revival newsletter after Jumah years ago... :P), who used that very argument to say we cannot celebrate our birthdays because if we were allowed to, we would be celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s birthday first and foremost.

Since I heard the same argument from competing sides (one saying it is allowed, the other saying ti is not), I thought it was correct.

our love for the prophet (s.a.w) is best shown by practising his sunnah. if he did not choose to celebrate his own birthday, and the sahaba did not celebrate it after he passed away, why should we? ofcourse that is a whole other discussion which i do not intend to start, the comment you made was just something i'd never heard before and i personally believe the best way to nurture love for the Prophet (s.a.w) is by striving to emulate him in everything, inshaAllah.

i cant believe we're discussing birthdays AGAIN!!!

i must have posted a zillion times an endless list of classical scholars from 1000 years of Islamic history who state that celebrating the birth of the prophet is permissible, its mubah, its rewardable etc etc....
so if celebration of the Prophets is allowed then of course u can celebrate your own as long as no haram act is involved.
[b]WHY DO PEOPLE IGNORE 1000 YEARS OF ISLAMIC HISTORY AND TURN TO MODERN SCHOLARS AND USE THEIR PERSONAL LOGIC INSTEAD!!!!![/b]

its shocking!

Its not shocking at all Ed.

Different people have different preferances and different dispositions.
So what one takes to be the norm may not necessarily be what the other takes.
Plus Saima is new and she hasnt seen any of you're posts before... so cut her some slack.

different question here 'Ed.

And it is by a relatively new member.

So it is not the same.

[quote="saima786"]should we celabrate birthdays?? Yes Is it permissabele in islam even? Yes
Is it ok to celebrate them on a small scale?? Yes

"saima786" wrote:

should we celabrate birthdays?? Is it permissabele in islam even?
Is it ok to celebrate them on a small scale??

I have thought about this a lot............and I came to the decision to STOP celebrating birthdays. I've had a chat about it with my son........and you know what.........he's all for it!!! BUT that coz I promised him an EID PARTY instead!!! lol But I suppose he's still going to get to enjoy homself. and may even learn something from it!

we're doing islamic songs, musical chairs with islamic nasheed! do let me know your ideas!!

Let me know what you think........have I made the right decision?

sister saima:[b]should we celabrate birthdays?? Is it permissabele in islam even? [/b]

[b]ANSWER:[/b] It is permissible as long as no haram activities are involved. As the celebration of the birth of the Prophet is permissible and rewardable according to the classical scholars then it is allowed to celebrat eyour own birthday, as long as it with in rules of shariah. It is optional to celebrate your own birthday, if u want you can, if u dont, then dont.
[b]
we're doing islamic songs, musical chairs with islamic nasheed! do let me know your ideas!![/b]
this is also an excellent way of celebrating a bithday
its not about songs, parties....
its about celebrating in an islamic way, a form of islamic entertainment for kids...

i dont think you should stop celebrating your childrens birthday....
use it as a platform to do islamic fun things, a fun way to learn, an excuse to buy islamic presents etc....

Men are busy.

Babies are being born all the time.

So, it is good to discuss birthdays all the time.

Timely bump.