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No, your sarcasm isn't amusing.
You HAVE been brainwashed by the media. Most Muslims are nice and peaceful, you just need to give them a chance. Islam really is a religion of peace.
If you're tired of hearing us saying it, why not open a book, ie the Quran and read it. You never know, you might learn something.
I don't know much about the Amish but whoever did the shooting should be caught and tried.
Why did we start talking about Muslim cab firms? What does that have to do with the topic in hand?
Can we have some examples please?
How would deporting "Islamic" radicals help with the "Dhimmitude" issue?
The KKK's dress is symbolic of its outright and proven racist and violent views. A person wearing this would most definately be a racist. You would therefore rightly feel uncomfortable in the precense of someone wearing a KKK hood and gown. However, if someone was not wearing a KKK hood but expressed racist views you would also rightly feel uncomfortable.
A niqaab is not symbolic of any racist or violent views - any such impression is a misconception on the part of the beholder. To asumme that someone wearing niqaab has a particular worldview which is racist or violent is wrong. To feel uncomfortable in the presence of a niqaabi for the same reasons that you would feel uncomfortable in the presence of someone wearing a KKK hood is unreasonable.
Therefore comparing KKK hoods to a niqaab is wholly innappropriate.
St Mark if you want to be taken seriously come forward with some intelligent debate rather than spin and generalisations from the media. Also if you want a two way conversation be a bit more respectful, no ones asking you to accept our beliefs but if we're respecting you on these forums the least you can do is reciprocate, otherwise you may aswell speak to yourself.
What's this about a muslim cabby refusing to drive blind ppl and drunks? I know it's a real story because i heard about it a few weeks ago on the radio. However i also recall there were many other cabbies the media spoke to (muslim btw) who were very happy to have blind ppl enter their cabs with guide dogs. As for drunkards any cabby muslim or not would be out of business if they refused to drive home drunkards, because lets face it this country is full of them every evening. So if you're not regurgitating a lie what are you doing exactly? Coz of the ignorance of one muslim cabby you're making a sweeping statement that they're all prejudiced against disabled ppl? You sure you're not prejudiced against muslims?
Your post screams ignorance.
You state your source almost proudly, as though you think it's reliable. Excuse me, but that's kind of funny.
So you think 10 - 20% of Muslim women in the UK wear the niqab.
You are way out.
I think it extremely arrogant and ignorant that you, as an American, don't know much about the Amish community, especially given the recent tragedy. I think you should pay more attention to your own country, and leave the UK to us.
Just for your information, the guy who did the shooting is dead.
[b][color=indigo]Let Allah be the judge of the eh?[/color][/b]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706046/posts
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2395178,00.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=533
I mentioned cab drivers because tex asked me to use a differant example than my god told me to kill muslims in replying to his post about person x whos god told her to go naked. If that did happen about the cab drivers I bthink it would be catering to m,uslims at the expense of the blind people.
None of these articles deal with "Dhimmitude". They are about immigrants and ethnic minorities.
The story about the guy dressing in a "burqa" is not proven nor is it an example of any policy or rule initiated either by gov or by religious authorities.
Do you have any examples of "Dhimmitude"?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1323124/posts
They rebuilt some toilets in a jail to face away from mecca.
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/brits-turn-jail-toilets-away-from...
I just think they are too politically correct for their own good and they descriminate against other minoroties as well as the native population.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_33_16/ai_65091753
I'm sorry, I still don't see any examples of "Dhimmitude".
Some toilets had to be rebuilt. Hardly a supresion of Western laws and values.
The gov is trying to encourage museums to cater for [u]minority groups[/u]. This is not an "Islamic" law they are trying to impose or promote.
The religious hatred law is just that - a [u]religious[/u] hatred law. It applies to all religions. How many people have been prosecuted under this law so far?
You are using the facts to fit your preconcived ideas. You're clutching at straws - and no doubt are all the other people who complain about "Dhimmitude".
Quran is very clear about the dress code for the believers. Innovations and fabrication intorduced Hijab (veil) to Islam (submission.) Hijab (veil) is a traditional, not religious head cover that dates back to ancient civilizations, and is not supported or advocated by the Quran.
All I am saying is that people should have the choice to wear it.
My point is not based on religion, religious prerogative, but simple civil rights.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
ROFL
u have no idea the amount of controversy this guy caused in saudi
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
The teacher refusing to remove veil? What a hipocrocy! Children need to see the whole person to understand body languages and expressions. Burkha clad teachers are unfit to teach the children.
My daughter was 6 years old. In a nearby shopping centre, she came across for the first time, a veiled burkha clad muslimmah.(I think it was a lady inside. I am not so sure though. The covering was black in colour.)
My daughter actually got scared. She was on her own in the toy section, and I was closeby, keeping an eye contact with her every often. On seeing this muslimmah, she got scared and came running back to me. She did nt leave my side for the rest of the shopping.
These veiled, burkha clad muslimmahs are actually putting our children under stress and trauma. Its bad enough in a shopping centre, but, to face it in class room? Terrible. And, the children will not learn much either.
twice i quoted the `there shall be no compulsion in religion` verse, and u even admitted u knew it was there, so why lie??
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
this post is hilarious
`traumatised` eh? :roll: :roll:
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Sene/morethanreligion.html
While the Qur’an does say, "There shall be no compulsion in religion" (2:256), many Qur’anic scholars insist that, in its context, this verse has nothing to do with not forcing non-Muslims to submit to the rule of Islam. Many also teach that this "no compulsion" verse was abrogated (2:106) and replaced by the later and more numerous verses that say things like: "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them." (9:73) "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme." (8:39) "Fight against such of those ... who ... do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (9:29) In Muhammad’s day, conquered Jews and Christians who did not convert to Islam were allowed to live, provided they paid jizya, a "protection" tax
Silly silly little man.
You're quoting the holy Quran totally outta context and i will slap you're monkey a.s.s down for doing that: Yes in the Quran it says 'where ever you find the non-believers kill them' (Surah Al'Tawbah Ch9 verse 5) but if you take a look at the verses before that it will explain why? And before you mis-quote i'll tell you it will go alittle something like this:
The first few verses of surah Al'Tawbah speaks of a peace treaty between the muslims and the mushriqs of Macca which was broken by the mushriks, so Allah (swt) the most just gives an ultimatum to the enemies: 'You put things straight within 4 months time otherwise there will be a declaration of war' so to the muslims in the battlefield where-ever you find the kafirs you kill them."
Therefore this part of the Quran is speaking inregards to the battlefield when the muslims are fighting for truth and justice against false-hood. So basicly it means when the enemy comes dont be afriad kill them. Just as any army general would say 'kill the enemy'.
But thats not all... no no no... verse 6 goes a little something like this: 'If the mushriq want asylum, DONT just let them go, escort them to a secure place so they may hear the word of the Almighty.' But nowadays any army general would either say kill them all or let them go but none would say 'escort them to security'... (with the exception of the prophet(pbuh) and Saladin Ayubi) but THAT is what the Quran says.
Back in BLACK
18/27 And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. [color=red]There is none who can abrogate His words[/color], [color=blue]and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him.[/color]
If u take `refuge` besides that words of Allah, it is blatent shirk (idolatry), none can abrogate the word of Allah, and if they do they are commiting a grave sin, and anybody that listons to them is committing shirk, because these words are from `other then allah`, to claim mans law is divine law is blatent shirk, and i agree with u, it is horryfying why so-called Islamic scholers think that they can abrogate the word of allah, and whats even worse is that the masses seem to `let them off` and `believe what they say`. However there are many intellegent muslims that actually read the quran and put god's words before mans word, so dont assume they are all like that.
beware of sites like those
78/37 the Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all between, (allah) Most Gracious: [b]No one can abrogate His decisions.[/b]
allah is not fickle, he is not a human, he's not gonna confuse us by saying one thing then saying another.... anybody who thinks he duz is an idiot,,,
lets discuss those verses in context:
9:73 [color=red]O Prophet ![/color] strive hard against the disbelievers and the Hypocrites. [color=blue]And be firm against them.[/color] Their abode is Hell, and evil destination it is.
this verse is talking about Muhummad (s) - God is [u]directly[/u] talking to him. The pagan Arabs at that time were incredibly cruel towards Muhammad and his companions, if u study the ahadith u will see that they inflicted him and his companions with the worse kind of torture imaginable, some of it is so bad it makes me sick just thinking about it :x :x . studying the ahadith u will see that muhammad was `too soft` on them and god told him to be `firm on them`, they tried to stop muhammad preaching islam and tried to stop people from becoming muslims so God told him `to strive hard against them`.
This verse is not even applicable today, since the verse tells us who it was for right of the beginning. Any scholer tells u that is is applicable today is not worthy of ANY respect.
8:39 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for [u]oppression are worse than murder;[/u] but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
remember that verse is only talking about the oppresors.
9:29 Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and HIS Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favor and acknowledge their subjection.
I need help on that verse.
But any religon that is not morel, should be tolerated, just the inhumane doctarines should not be tolerated.
I is gonna ask ma imam on dat verse, i'll let u know later
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
Can we stay on topic please.
And if you want to discuss the verses regarding war, start a new topic. One thing I would reccomend is that you read the vferses around the one people love to misquote.
The order of the verses goes what to do before hand... but if war starts kill them unless they are women, children, noncombatants, ask for aylum, give up, become muslim yadda yadda yadda.
Now if you only quote the few words before the 'unless' section, you are either looking for issues to argue for the sake of it, with no real urge to understand or have not studied anything about the sibject at all.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
sorry admin i didn't intend to go off-topic.
Mark create another thread please.
So far it just looks like he's here to spew his hate on the forum.... :roll:
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
I'm sure he doesn't hate. He just needs to hear other sides of the argument.
LOL
u stopped the silent treatment!
cheers beasty u have made my day
xXx
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
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