Salaam
Did you guys ever attend “Friday Class”…you know, the “Mosque” after school at the end of the week? Or did you guys go to the “Mosque” after school daily for an hour to read Arabic? Or was it weekend school you attended?
I know in many cases most kids didn’t actually attend a “Mosque” but some lady’s house…but this is what nearly all kids used to call it.
Did you go willingly? Were you forced? Did you actually learn anything? Did you ever bunk? Do you STILL have to attend? Did the teachers even know their stuff? Did you take the class seriously?
Isn’t it worrying how many women classes and don’t even know the basic rules of Tajweed?
Also…is monotonously reciting the Arabic alphabet enough? Surely Islam is a lot more than that…so how comes there are more Qur’an classes then Islamic Studies classes?
Discuss the effectiveness of such classes and any personal experiences…
Wasalaam
yes i did attend mosque after school daliy first i must say i gt teh old nag from my mum to even go when it was pouring it down with rain or freezing cold outside. bt never teh less i so glad i went . i can comfortably recite arabic know.
altho its all good we gettign taught teh arabic language bt i don't see why the teacher at mosque does not teach teh meaning of teh language also. How can one experiance the pleasue of reciting when he does not knw what he is reciting . i am know on teh look out for an arabic teacher who will teach me teh meaning of teh arabic language and
also how to speake in it fluently " teh beautiful language that wil be
spoken in paradise".
A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil
We attended a "mosque" when were we're little (it was actually a house that was converted into a mosque). We were forced to go by my parents ... the only thing we learnt when we were there was how to read the Quran... never tought arabic or the meanings behind what we were reading.
Stopped attending after we finished the quran for the 2/3 time and instead read at home. The ACTUAL lessons into Islam came much later and that was when i went looking for the answers.
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Walykum Salaam,
When i used to be small, like 10 or so, i used to go Mosque everyday after school for 3 hours. i used to sometimes bunk off or pretend to be ill so i dont go. But i didnt really mind, but i wasnt forced either.
At the Mosque all we wer taught was how to read the quran in arabic. We wasnt taught the meaning of the quran in english or arabic. We wasnt taught any knwldge about islam or how to pray.
The lady hu used to teach us was a normal lady, no alimah or anything. now looking back i realise that her teaching was incorrect, not being rude to her or anything, she didnt undertsnd the basic teaching of tajweed.
i used to think when i was small, once ive read the quran once, im fine, im a good muslim. lol
Mow looking back, Inshallah, i want to learn arabic, increase my knwldge in islam and go back to my mosque and teach the kids the proper islamic tecahing of the quran, hadeeth, sunnah, and ilm.
Salaam
I attended mousque weekdays it was for a hour an a half after school, we would get weekends and ramadhan holidays
depends on my mood and whats on TV
yeh of course we learnt lots of things e.g. namaz, kalma, how to read arabic, and recite quran
never bunked and i did take the class seriously
yeh your right sis, we did monotonously jus recite arabic, once we learnt the namaz and learnt how to read arabic all the learning stopped after that we just recited the quran and read quran to the imam,
we never knew what the quran meant
we never learnt anything about islam regarding morals and how to live
we never knew any hadiths or any stories of the prophets (peace be upon them) and about islam
I would have loved to learn all these things in the Masjid
also maybe sone recreation or leasure facilities would have been nice and few computers as well maybe
Also i know i have sed this before , but there was alot of beatings and abuse and often it felt like the imams enjoyed it kind of sadistic in nature and unislamic, also we had a caretaker which we used to call 'slappy slappy' , who would make kids fight in the middle of the mosque who would urge them on to fight each other all the other imams and teachers would watch on with amusement
also our professor was caught with a prostitute and had to flee to pakistan, we had no respect for teachers, we would swear at them and spit on their cars and threathen them after class, they imams and teachers lacked teaching skills, they couldnt even speak proper english and didnt even know the fundamentals of how to teach and look after children .
however we were lucky , this was the best mosque in the area :roll: , at our other local mosque it was found out the imam was abusing kids . 7 in total were sexaully assaulted, there was also a money scandal
as you can see alot of people lost faith in mosques and most people are taught at home, This could also be the reason why alot of the youth around my area lack morals and discipline and their is a drug and gang problem among our youth
Im sure this is a one off and not all mosques are bad as this, also the mosques have vastly improved , however alot is needed in mosques to further improve.
personally i think the best way to educate your kids about islam and Quran and sunnah is through islamic schools, my niece goes islamic schools and is only 6 she knows the whole arabic alphabet off by heart and she can count up to 20 in arabic also knows about 30 names of allah and knows stories of the prophet ,mashallah
when i went to mosque, it was well boring, only learnt namaaz. everyone just sits there and chews gum or flicks rubbers at everyone. and the teachers come like about an hour late. no wonder people bunk off.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
Excellent topic sister.
I attended Mosque from age 6 to 12. Didnt particularly enjoy it, found it a chore.
I come from a "Muslim" family, but no-one really practices it, hence the inverted commas. Mum was really strict about going, Dad is quite anti-Islam/Religion - (dont know why), so he showed no interest.
I've only recently started praying and learning about Islam - did my mosque education help? Hardly. We were just taught the Quran. Nothing else about Islam. We're taught some stuff from a namaaz kithaab, ie Surah Fatiyah, Surah Ikhlaas, 6 Kalmih, but never how to read namaaz! The mosque was really popular, probably about 60 girls, if not more, attended - the boys had a really good Imam and received a really good education (my bro went there) but unfortunately the girls didnt.
I'm not being disrespectful to the teacher , she gave up a lot of her time, and was really nice to me throughout. I've no doubt she taught us to the best of her knowledge.
Last Ramadan I was listening to a radio show about tajweed and realised it was nothing like what we were taught. My sisters, who went there also, heard the show too. We all felt kind of disappointed. We spent so many years at that Mosque, and left with not much at all really.
It has been really hard finding someone who teaches tajweed to girls over 16. Plenty of places for males though. I contacted every place I could think of. I tried calling another Mosque (the main one in my city), but no-one ever answers the number on the prayer timetable. Anyway, they dont have tajweed classes for girls aged over 16.
Finally found a sister. I'm very grateful to her. She only teaches young girls, but is making an exception, so I receive one-on-one tuition. What I'm learning is completely different to what I was taught at Mosque.
What annoys me is why no-one cared about our Mosque education. I'm not surprised at all that very few girls around where I live actually practice our religion - they probably think Islam isnt for them, like I used to, but thats probably only because they know nothing about it. It's ok if your parents encourage you and practice Islam themselves but if they dont, then what.
I know I'm very far from it at the moment and I have loads to learn, but Inshallah I would love to teach the Quran along with other Islamic studies to girls one day. My experience of Mosque has a lot to do with ambition.
yes the things what u have mention go on in most of my locals mosque.
i agree most defiantly islamic schools specially desighn to teach arabic should be opened more around teh uk in all areas where children can easliy attend to.
A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil
i went to a mosque after school for 2 hrs everyday. I was forced to go but i never resented my parents for that, i mean we're forced to go school, and who wants to wake up at 7am everyday for that?
I was taught to read the Quran without any tajweed rules, or any further islamic lessons on wudu, saum, ghusl, zakah etc etc. Looking back i don't hate my teachers for that. i'm sure they did their best, and for every letter of the alphabet they taught me Allah will reward them infinately.
I don't think it's of any benefit to look down upon and over criticise our teachers. Things were different back then, times have changed. Now small kids have the opportunity to learn arabic with tajweed rules and to go through taleemul haq lessons. So there's no reason for parents of today to admit their kids into classes which fail to teach these subjects.
So for all the things i failed to learn i gradually taught myself via taleemul haq and bahisti zewar, i also enrolled into an Arabic grammar and tajweed class. It's my responsibility to learn these things as an adult. Teens can't really keep on blaming their teachers for a lack of knowledge they're old enough to rectify their ignorance aren't they?
Alhamdulillah me and my older brother used to go to Mawlana's house for an hour before normal mosque classes started cos my dad said that we wouldnt be taught with enough attention sitting in a class of 30.
Learnt Quran without tajweed at first and completed my Khatm with my first Ustadji.
Then started going to the mosque for hifz classes. That used to be well funny. Our Ustadji was young- 24ish I think and used to crack us up. Would practice wrestling maneouvres on one of the boys - lol. Chokeslame being the favourite. I guess that student probably doesnt like that Ustadji but the rest of us loved it.
First Ustadji never hit ever and cant remember ever being shouted at or scolded either - musta been a lil angel :twisted: .
Second Ustadji - used to hit a bit but he was safe aswell. Used to cuss us. In summer we'd keep the doors open so Ustadji could keep an eye on his car and one of the bengali students asked Ustadji that why he keeps door open and he goes cos I dont want one of your black friends jacking ma car. loooooolz.
Then left that mosque and came to the one Im at now. (previous one was barelwi).
This masjid is mashaALLAH really gud. They teach kids about namaz and how to do wudu and about how important respect is. The classes are organised such that they are named after Sahaabah Karaam, kids are taught naat and about history on a weekly basis. Also we have readings from Fadaa'il A'maal and generally I think a lot of work is being done mashaALLAH.
Overall from my personal experience mosque has been great. The barelwi mosque I used to go to - there aswell mondays-thursdays was normal Quran and on fridays our hifz class were made to learn du'as and tested on meanings of the small surahs from amma para and also taught about conditions of wudu and namaz and importance of darud shareef. Not too sure if that was the same in the other classes -ALLAH knows best.
Basically my experience has been positive all round -alhamdulillah.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
I learnt how to read the quran before going mosque.
In mosque I just used to sit there reading, messing aropund and getting battered with that thick grey electrical wire on my neck.
I did not even recite what I learnt to the curry. Too many kids, and I always go for being ignored. Don't like the guy. Don't hate him either.
Later I had to go elsewhere, but I also hated that. I have mostly resented anything that made me study. Just the aspect of making me do something. I don't care if its right, it should be my choice. That is how I felt.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Curry :?
I enjoyed mosque coz it was more of a socialising time, one of my hafiz was mean (he used to pick on me way too much) but my other hafiz, well he was really nice to us and we used to help him out loads, he used to let us eat sweeties and all lol.
We were taught the Quran with Tajweed and told all the rules (to be honest I can't even remember them but I know how to read :oops: ), afer hearing my sis when she came back from ICIS i was shocked coz they had learnt the proper way (gota rate pak mosques for that, they sure know how to teach the Quran).
It's best to learn Tajweed from day one coz it sticks with you. Before this mosque I attended Quran classes at a library and before that at someones house.
:shock:
not the sort of attitude you wanna teach to kids
admin did you have a bad experience in school or something :?
that hurts.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
What kind of mosques were these where people were beaten with cables and stuff?
The worst I ever saw was a person being wacked with a metre ruler - most of the time it was just a clip on the ear or a tap on the hand.
As for those places where kids were abused in a lewd way - community shoudda battered such "teachers" and dragged them into the cop shop. For such people I have NO sympathy whatsoever. :evil: :evil:
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Good to see what you meant by beatings was not actual beating up then.
This was years ago, and now I expect some diferences to approach.
But reporting such scenarios to the cop shop would do good.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
My brother beating should be for recitification and as a punishment for the child. It is haraam to strike a child or an animal or anything in anger because that action is not done for the sake of ALLAH.
Beating kids up when they do something wrong out of anger is totally wrong. Giving them a light physical punishment to rectify them and as a punishment is something totally different.
Alhamdulillah - I can say with confidence that I have not struck any child ever in my class in anger ever - although it can be tempting :twisted: . In my training I was told that if a child misbehaves and I become angry then I am to tell him to leave the room and stand at the door for five minutes - followed by him being called back in, given my jug and glass and told to bring me some fresh water. After he pours water for me and I drink it - then I punish in whatever way seems appropriate. There is loads of wisdom in that.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Yes, there is wisdom in that approach. it allows you to cool down.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
that can only happen if you trust the kid, i think that might be why i had never been asked to stand outside the door by my teacher. he liked to keep me in sight. :roll:
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
wire cable? :shock:
I already mentioned this one of my teachers came in one day with a snooker stick it still makes me laugh thinking about it. He never hit us with it he just thght it might instill fear in us,but it backfired. He tried to prod us and us girls started running around the benches and he was runnin in tow with the stick looool. The other imam who was teaching older kids opposite was laughing at the comedy act. It just turned into a hyterical. Our teacher laughed it off, the next day he returned to the normal small stick
Little jabs with a small stick hasn't done me any damage, it was like smack on the back of my hand nothing viscious.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
has anyone ever been caught bunking off? my cousin found me hiding in a sweet shop once. he took me to town and got me a chicken burger, so after that i always bunked off.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
i was beaten for years at the mosque during my hifz... and so did many othesr at my local mosque.... as a result many left mosque and till this day have not gone back....
'teachers' who do this should be ashamed...
NO beating, even light punishment shud be allowed...
Islam shud be taught with love, wisdom and in a chilled out way... so young ppl enjoy it and look forward to it....
alot of these 'teachers' bang on about sunnah and sunni and ahlus sunnah but tell me DID THE PROPHET (SAW) EVER USE ANY KIND OF PUNISHMNET TO CHILDREN OR TO HIS STUDENTS? NO!
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taught with love, wisdom and understanding.
someone mentioned 'MURGI' is OK! NO ITS NOT! STUDENTS SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND NOT LIKE ANIMALS!!!! i did 'murgi' many times and it put me off mosque and ulema for a long time...
teachers at mosque should go through Child Behaviour training and some kind of teacher training aswell.... not let any 'molbi', 'hafiz' or a 'eligious' person teach...he should have knowledge, wisdom, properly trained and in touch with the youngsters....
murgi? isn't that a chicken?
Ed, are you a haafiz?
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
yes, this issue should be most defiently brought up. parents should be made more aware of these promblems that go on in the mosque.
i hte to say it but i feel from teh experiences express above more children are feeling push to go into mosque.
where as they sud be freely runnign towards it fill with excitment as they are going to learn teh wise words of the holy Qu'ran.
i not saying thier are not classes which teach arabic the way it should be taught bt i hope thier wil be more and more of that kind opening where children will be taught and learn to love the beautiful launguage Arabic.
A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil
Why do people talk about the sunnah when it suits them and brush it aside when it doesnt?
For others information - Sayyidina Ibn Abbas radhiyallahu anhuma was extremely strict with his slave-students. The actions of our ulama have not been without basis and physical chastisement has been recomended in certain instances in the ahadeeth themselves.
What about beating a 10yr old wen he refuses to pray. People should take their blinkers off and realise the religion for what it is - a middle path. Not some hippy free-love and free-morality that sufi-istic deviants espouse. :roll:
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Thing is those beats are not the same as using a wire.
The allowed beats have some rules. as you mentioned, no anger. They are also to be light and be a form of chastisement, not as a form to relieve anger.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
exactly. So there [b]is[/b] room for physical chastisement. To make a blanket statement banning it cos of ones own sad childhood experiences is nothing but ignorance. The religion isnt subject to our dictates - we are to be subject to it.
Those who promote beatings at the slightest excuse are very wrong, those who make a blanket statement against beatings are also very wrong.
The true stance is that it should be allowed for punishment/recitificaition when it is warranted and not as a means of channelling ones anger.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
But we also have to obey the law of the land.
I am not certain, but I think even 'reasonable chastisement' has been banned here.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yeah that's the thing since it's officially illegal for teachers to smack their students it has to be outlawed even in mosques. That's the law of the land like it or not.
I think other forms of punishment can be more effective. scrubbing toilets, picking litter, standing up to apologise to the teacher in front of the class, being kept behind to do further studies.
Talking of this reminds me of Boy George. This week we saw him picking up litter in New York for falsely reporting a burglary, what a plonker! He used to sing "Do you really want to hurt me", we sure do Georgie! loooool
At the madressah i studied in the teachers used to punish us by making us scrub the big kitchen floor , washing pots , brushing the corridors litter picking, lolz were also threatened that we'd be sent to the office to the head that was scary, also everyone got to go home every 4th weekend and they'd punish us by not letting us go home that was bad. As for the girls who missed Salaah they werent allowed to leave the namaaz room and had to read nafils for some fixed time in the time we could chill ( thats a good one ) i now realise
About mosque, i never got taught how to read the Quran with tajweed either but learnt surahs, kalimahs...du'as etc... i liked going to the mosque never really got hit much, used to sneak in sweets and run around the patlas when our Ustaad wasnt there lol, our Ustaad kept a stick but hardly used it on us girls but threatened us mostly that we'd get sent to the 'Qari Saab that hits' who we called one-eyed Jack who all the kids were scared off, that kept us in our place.
Anyways got to learn the quran with tajweed and tarteel proper at madressah cos were made to study some books on the subject and had qualified teachers who we read to, I also used to listen to Mahmood Khaleel Al-Husaari whos tajweed is excellent,
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/engblue/audio.php?page=souraview&qid=463&rid=1
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